Meme Thread for Both Posting and Discussing Memes

[Simonbob]

You say that, but this is Russia.
A deal would boister Russia if they keep land, and that would be enough to turn the tide of the population to support a full on mobilization.
In which case, should they need to in 8 years, have enough men to do the job.
Especially if the deal of them getting all the Ukrainian oblasts that they have control over.

Add in green men firing artillery from towns and you get Russians basically doing what ever without Ukrainians able to fight back

I wasn't thinking the men, exactly, although that's a part.

I was thinking that the equipment they're using inc Soviet era stuff. That'll have to be replaced. That'll cost money. They don't have all that much.

Russia's going to be short of men for a while, and that means those men can't work. Money, gear, trade goods, they're all going to be scarce for quite some time.

I still wouldn't want to start a war with Russia after this, but invading somewhere with meaningful defences? Risky.

 

[Bacle]

They're around because we have been propping them up though. It's not like they've overcome all odds and overcame this invasion in a heroic fashion. It's our tax dollars at work.

We could have them at a negotiating table in a matter of days. It's going to end at one anyways, if we don't all kill ourselves with nukes first. I support peace talks.

This completely and utterly ignores the other nations who have been supporting Ukraine, and who would continue supporting Ukraine no matter what parts of the US public thinks.

Particularly the UK, who decided to train F-16 pilots for Ukraine sooner than DC wanted, have given Ukraine very potent cruise missiles on top of plenty of other military aid, and hosted training for Ukrainian soldiers learning NATO kit.

It also ignores Turkey/Erdogan, who have come out as major supporters of Ukraine both diplomatically and militarily, and the aid South Korea and Japan have been sending, plus Poland and the Baltics and Romania supporting Ukraine to the hilt because they remember what it was like to be under Moscow's rule.

Russia has been reduced to relying on Iran and North Korea for weapons manufacturing and help dodging sanctions, and even Kazahkstan is snubbing Moscow now while supporting Ukraine.

So you write terms and conditions into the peace plan to prevent that, and also build up your own deterrent in the years of peace.

They're going to end up at a negotiating table signing away stuff eventually anyways. How many Ukrainians and Russians needs to die until that happens? How long does the world need to sit on the brink of nuclear extermination for this to happen?

There was already a deal in place to protect Ukraine after it returned the USSR's nukes; Putin ignored said deal and openly said he would not honor it because Yeltsin signed it but 'never passed it through the Duma'.

Moscow also ignored both Minsk agreements, and has proven time and again that Russia will only negotiate in good faith with a metaphorical/literal gun to their heads. NATO Article 5 is the only reason the Baltics and POland were not the first targets, instead of Ukraine.

And guess what, we've been 'sitting on the brink of nuclear war' for decades; nothing about assisting Ukraine or letting them into NATO will change that, but abandoning Ukraine will signal to Russia that nuclear threats on top of conventional campaigns will absolutely allow Russia to do what it wants.

We abandon Ukraine, Putin will send 10 guys to Poland, and say 'surrender or we nuke you', and then NATO and Article 5 will either end up in a war situation, or NATO will cease to exist as an organization.

 

[IndyFront]

 

[mrttao]

> You are welcome here
and that is the mistake.
don't welcome locust

 

[Scottty]

the triple parens = jew. It's some stupid ass 'encoding' used to get beyond stupider censorship on social media sites.

I think it goes back some decades actually.

There was already a deal in place to protect Ukraine after it returned the USSR's nukes; Putin ignored said deal and openly said he would not honor it because Yeltsin signed it but 'never passed it through the Duma'.

That sounds like the Russian version of the American "it was never ratified by Congress". Just saying.

 

[LordsFire]

So you write terms and conditions into the peace plan to prevent that, and also build up your own deterrent in the years of peace.

They're going to end up at a negotiating table signing away stuff eventually anyways. How many Ukrainians and Russians needs to die until that happens? How long does the world need to sit on the brink of nuclear extermination for this to happen?

There are no terms that are acceptable to both Russia and Ukraine.

Russia wants to keep the territory it still has occupied.

Ukraine wants Russia out.

Given that Russia started with the war-crimes in Bucha right at the start of the war, the Ukrainians have a damn good idea of what to expect if they just roll over for the Russians. They have history.

Ukraine is going to keep fighting whether we help them or not, the only question is how bloody the war will be.

 

[Marduk]

So you write terms and conditions into the peace plan to prevent that, and also build up your own deterrent in the years of peace.

Real world is not a civ game, words on paper have no magic power, who will enforce the terms?
We're not shitlibs here, we don't subscribe to wishful thinking straight out of some leftist professor's international relations class, and it's Russia we are talking about here, if there is no serious violence on the line enforcing the treaties, they will wipe their asses with them at a convenient time just like they did with the Budapest Memorandum.

They're going to end up at a negotiating table signing away stuff eventually anyways. How many Ukrainians and Russians needs to die until that happens? How long does the world need to sit on the brink of nuclear extermination for this to happen?

Take a chill pill and do not regurgitate scaremongering.
It's Ukrainian's war to compromise away if and when they decide to, they don't need your demoralized mood to guide their decisions.

 

[Jormungandr]

I know this was a direct potshot at America from the director, but... this has aged like fine wine, lol.

Though, the only thing missing is that "one racial group" is responsible for most crimes in the US, so of course they'd be mostly the ones in prison -- let's also not forget that "one racial group", on the whole, have basically gone batshit bananas because they think they can get away with acting like rampaging chimpanzees by using the race-card as an excuse to act like terrible human beings.

Well, it's either that or the veneer has been stripped away; that they've always been this goddamn racist towards other ethnic groups (especially Whites), but recent events have just exposed them to the point where it can't be covered anymore.

Neither are exactly good reasons [edited, because I forgot to add this -- painkillers and alcohol, folks!] that paint "one racial group" in a good light.

 

[mrttao]

I kept laughing throughout the video.

 

[DarthOne]

I kept laughing throughout the video.

…I really hope these are people who are just messing with him. Because if not, Jesus Christ in Heaven, we need to reform the US education system even more then I realized.

 

[Typhonis]

The one I would ask the clarification on is when was America founded. 1607 when they colonized Jamestown in Virginia. 1776 when we declared independence from England or 1787 when the Constitution was ratified.

 

[Blasterbot]

…I really hope these are people who are just messing with him. Because if not, Jesus Christ in Heaven, we need to reform the US education system even more then I realized.

but don't worry. they can all tell you republicans are rascist and that free healthcare for all would be paid for by taxing the rich.

 

[Abhorsen]

I kept laughing throughout the video.

In fairness, "When was the US founded" is a little vague. You could do 1776 or 1787 for the constitutional convention or 1790 for when the last state ratified it. They would have been wrong anyway though.

 

[Rocinante]

It's Ukrainian's war to compromise away if and when they decide to, they don't need your demoralized mood to guide their decisions.

No, They just need my money, apparently.

Real world is not a civ game, words on paper have no magic power, who will enforce the terms?
We're not shitlibs here, we don't subscribe to wishful thinking straight out of some leftist professor's international relations class, and it's Russia we are talking about here, if there is no serious violence on the line enforcing the treaties, they will wipe their asses with them at a convenient time just like they did with the Budapest Memorandum.

Take a chill pill and do not regurgitate scaremongering.
It's Ukrainian's war to compromise away if and when they decide to, they don't need your demoralized mood to guide their decisions.

The enforcement comes from the fact that what Russia thought would be a quick 3 day operation has turned into a 1.5 year bloodbath.

Ukraine would rebuild, reinforce their borders, and a bolstered military and be even more prepared for any future attempts. No more thoughts of a 3 day operation and easy win. That's what stops them next time

 

[mrttao]

…I really hope these are people who are just messing with him. Because if not, Jesus Christ in Heaven, we need to reform the US education system even more then I realized.

IIRC a recent survey found that most american students only knowledge about george washington is... that he was "an evil slave owner".
they literally know nothing else about him except that he owned slaves.

The USA has an anti education system

 

[Zachowon]

No, They just need my money, apparently.

The enforcement comes from the fact that what Russia thought would be a quick 3 day operation has turned into a 1.5 year bloodbath.

Ukraine would rebuild, reinforce their borders, and a bolstered military and be even more prepared for any future attempts. No more thoughts of a 3 day operation and easy win. That's what stops them next time

You mean lose a large majority of thier power, lose a large portion of thier population. And basically say "hey, you own all of this land of ours, the largest nuclear plant in Europe, and would do exactly what they did in 2014 till 2022 and shoot artillery from the occupied side and do the whole "we didn't do nothin" as they claim Ukraine was milling innocents.

It would be a repeat because Ukraine would be morally deplated and most likely have more Russian backed oligarchs buy power because Zelesnky would be kicked out of office

 

[Cherico]

You mean lose a large majority of thier power, lose a large portion of thier population. And basically say "hey, you own all of this land of ours, the largest nuclear plant in Europe, and would do exactly what they did in 2014 till 2022 and shoot artillery from the occupied side and do the whole "we didn't do nothin" as they claim Ukraine was milling innocents.

It would be a repeat because Ukraine would be morally deplated and most likely have more Russian backed oligarchs buy power because Zelesnky would be kicked out of office

Honestly this war is a chance to settle a whole lot of unfinished business we have with Russia because all of this woke shit is at least in part their fault.

 

[mrttao]

Honestly this war is a chance to settle a whole lot of unfinished business we have with Russia because all of this woke shit is at least in part their fault.

how is russia to blame for woke?

 

[Bear Ribs]

 

[Doomsought]

how is russia to blame for woke?

A great deal of it is the result of un-explodede ordinance from KGB psy-ops cooking off. They organized and funded subversive elements in order to destabalize their enemies.