Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[Agent23]

Where'd he say that at? That would be a pretty rich thing for him to say while whining about I've supposedly wronged him by calling him wašíču.


Actually I found the comparison to be a compliment after I read about that. I cannot help but admire people who held off so many attempts to conquer them, and even were able to kill the commander of one of these invasions and keep his head as a trophy.

You are talking to a Bulgarian, we are proud of hacking off the head of a Byzantine emperor and turning it into a golden chalice.

Which just confirms exactly what I said abut you. You got a strike over it because while I did not find it an insult to be compared to such people, it very clearly was meant as a racial insult toward my people.

How exactly is it a racial insult to point out your people are not native to the Americas and came from Siberia, with generic and anthropological evidence showing a direct link between them and the Chukchi, you might recall I called you, jokingly, a Siberian irredentist.
The only nasty bit was me asking if you wanna go back to trading women for sable skins like some Siberian people used to do, but that was in response to you deciding to celebrate the fact that they killed a bunch of Russians.

It's good that you admit to these things rather than pretending they didn't happen - that is the one thing that separates you from the Leftists.

Yeah, I admit I said a few tasteless things after being premeditatively provoked by you.
And I apologized in a PM after because I felt bad about it because I am not a racist.

Thdt does not mean that the peaceful noble savage Amerindian narrative pushed by the American left is true.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Of course, the corollary to such logic is that when another civilization comes along that judges itself to be superior to whites, that civilization is just as morally justified in conquering, stealing from, and then genociding white people to "get them out of our way”.

Or maybe, just maybe, this whole idea of justified conquest and genocide that you’re pushing is morally abhorrent.

 

[Captain X]

You are talking to a Bulgarian, we are proud of hacking off the head of a Byzantine emperor and turning it into a golden chalice.

Yet you try to insult me by calling me Chukchi.

How exactly is it a racial insult to point out your people are not native to the Americas and came from Siberia, with generic and anthropological evidence showing a direct link between them and the Chukchi, you might recall I called you, jokingly, a Siberian irredentist.

I recall that you started all of that shit by simply calling me Chukchi, and that it was pretty clear it was meant to be an insult. Which just made it all the more hilarious because it really wasn't an insult to me at all to be compared to those people. And that you got pretty upset when I said as much. In any case, it's pretty well established that you have a history of trying to insult myself and my people, which makes it pretty hilarious when you turn around and try to play victim now.

The only nasty bit was me asking if you wanna go back to trading women for sable skins like some Siberian people used to do, but that was in response to you deciding to celebrate the fact that they killed a bunch of Russians.

I celebrated that they slew would-be conquerors, just as I cheer when the Ukrainians do the same thing. You, on the other hand, cheer when Russian troops commit atrocities against Ukrainian civilians, and seemingly only because "globohomo."

Yeah, I admit I said a few tasteless things after being premeditatively provoked by you.

Another example of you crybullying. Well, I guess I'm going to have to take back what I said about the one thing that separates you from the Leftists. Obviously I gave you too much credit.

And I apologized in a PM after because I felt bad about it because I am not a racist.

I am very tempted to share this "apology" that you gave me, but it just isn't worth it. You're already doing a good enough job making yourself look like a fool.

 

[Agent23]

Of course, the corollary to such logic is that when another civilization comes along that judges itself to be superior to whites, that civilization is just as morally justified in conquering, stealing from, and then genociding white people to "get them out of our way”.

Or maybe, just maybe, this whole idea of justified conquest and genocide that you’re pushing is morally abhorrent.

It is called evolution.

Better adapted organisms outcompete and displace ones that do worse and expand their biome.

 

[Captain X]

It is called evolution.

Better adapted organisms outcompete and displace ones that do worse and expand their biome.

And now that the Leftists are doing that to Western civilization you find kinship with them, I guess.

 

[Cherico]

So getting back to the actual conversation.

I think this war is going to last awhile but this spring is going to be make or break.

The Ukraine has been sending people to the west to get trained, has been getting the equipment they captured upgraded and given proper matinance and they have been upgrading their gear and training all round. Russia is mobalizing a much larger force to attack.

This war is going to come down to quality vrs Quanity and I think were going to see how that match up shakes up in the next 3 months.

 

[Captain X]

I don't know if it will come down to Spring - this could go on for years depending on how persistent the Russians are. But I do think the Ukrainians will eventually be successful in throwing these invaders out of their homeland. And this will probably be followed up by years of border skirmishes, rather like the end of the Korean War.

 

[Agent23]

Yet you try to insult me by calling me Chukchi.

I see it more as a statement of a genetic and anthropological fact, and I decided to use it because you were chest thumping because you were a "Native" American, which is impossible given the fact that humans as a species came from Africa.

I recall that you started all of that shit by simply calling me Chukchi, and that it was pretty clear it was meant to be an insult.

See above, lol.
While I am not racist I find the whole noble savage and one with nature spiel pushed by US and other Western liberals as propaganda and think your ancestors were just as nasty as anyone else's.

Which just made it all the more hilarious because it really wasn't an insult to me at all to be compared to those people. And that you got pretty upset when I said as much.

Nope, I got pissed because you decided to to chest beat on the basis of muh noble savage propaganda and totally misunderstood my little jab at at the whole native thing.

In any case, it's pretty well established that you have a history of trying to insult myself and my people, which makes it pretty hilarious when you turn around and try to play victim now.

I celebrated that they slew would-be conquerors, just as I cheer when the Ukrainians do the same thing.

Yup, you are pre-programmed with a few silly cliches that override everything, like Pavlov's dogs.

You, on the other hand, cheer when Russian troops commit atrocities against Ukrainian civilians, and seemingly only because "globohomo."

Sure dude, sure, according to Ukrainian propaganda the Muskal orks eat babies.

Another example of you crybullying. Well, I guess I'm going to have to take back what I said about the one thing that separates you from the Leftists. Obviously I gave you too much credit.

Pot here is kettle.

I am very tempted to share this "apology" that you gave me, but it just isn't worth it. You're already doing a good enough job making yourself look like a fool.

I mean, this place got started because of people fucking with PM privacy, but feel free to go ahead, you have my permission.

 

[Captain X]

I see it more as a statement of a genetic and anthropological fact, and I decided to use it because you were chest thumping because you were a "Native" American, which is impossible given the fact that humans as a species came from Africa.

No, this is just a backpedal on your part. Cry some more, crybully.

While I am not racist I find the whole noble savage and one with nature spiel pushed by US and other Western liberals as propaganda.

None of that has anything to do with you calling me the name of those people, nor the fact I found the comparison to be not an insult as I found their ability to repel would-be conquerors to be admirable.

Nope, I got pissed because you decided to to chest beat on the basis of muh noble savage propaganda and totally misunderstood my little jab at at the whole native thing.

Riiiight....

Yup, you are pre-programmed with a few silly cliches that override everything, like Pavlov's dogs.

You really shouldn't talk.

Sure dude, sure, according to Ukrainian propaganda the Muskal orks eat babies.

Thanks to the fascinating modern world we live in, we've been able to see much of what the Russians have done, and the Russians have even admitted to some of their crimes themselves.

Pot here is kettle.

You realize this doesn't work when you're the crybully, right?

I mean, this place got started because of people fucking with PM privacy, but feel free to go ahead, you have my permission.

Really, for real? I have your permission to show everyone what an apology from you looks like? No take-backs?

 

[Cherico]

I don't know if it will come down to Spring - this could go on for years depending on how persistent the Russians are. But I do think the Ukrainians will eventually be successful in throwing these invaders out of their homeland. And this will probably be followed up by years of border skirmishes, rather like the end of the Korean War.

I honestly hope they win it, but many are the cases of where the side with the most people won dispite a host of disavantages.

 

[Agent23]

No, this is just a backpedal on your part. Cry some more, crybully.

Nope, just a case of me being an ass for not clarifying and a lousy communicator.
But you have been insulting me ever since this thing started with that crow bullshit.

None of that has anything to do with you calling me the name of those people, nor the fact I found the comparison to be not an insult as I found their ability to repel would-be conquerors to be admirable.

If you look at the actual history it was the Chukchi thst actually began attacking the Russians that were moving in the area first.
And thet afterwards, when the Russians decided that military intervention is not a good idea the Russians and the Chukchi started trading, with the trade booming and the Chukchi being left mostly unmolested until the USSR came in.
Contrast that with the Americans.

Riiiight....


You really shouldn't talk.


Thanks to the fascinating modern world we live in, we've been able to see much of what the Russians have done, and the Russians have even admitted to some of their crimes themselves.

Keep eating up the Ukrainian Twitter spam, it will be all the more fun when they lose.

You realize this doesn't work when you're the crybully, right?

There we go again with you projecting.
Then again, you also project your racism on others.

Really, for real? I have your permission to show everyone what an apology from you looks like? No take-backs?

Nope, no take-backs, go on right ahead.

 

[Captain X]

Nope, just a case of me being an ass for not clarifying and a lousy communicator.
But you have been insulting me ever since this thing started with that crow bullshit.

Pretty obvious that you were trying to insult me because of "that crow bullshit," which, as you might recall, was about you being loud and proud about how you thought that the coming Russian invasion of Ukraine was all fake news. Then when the Russians proved you wrong, rather than eat crow and admit you were wrong, you pulled the classic Leftist move of going from "it's not happening" to "it's happening and it's a good thing."

If you look at the actual history it was the Chukchi thst actually began attacking the Russians that were moving in the area first.

Invading, you might say.

And thet afterwards, when the Russians decided that military intervention is not a good idea the Russians and the Chukchi started trading, with the trade booming and the Chukchi being left mostly unmolested until the USSR came in.

After trying and failing to conquer them several times they finally decided to just trade with them. I am rather admiring of those people for being able to stop these attempts at conquest.

Keep eating up the Ukrainian Twitter spam, it will be all the more fun when they lose.

Again, you really shouldn't talk.

There we go again with you projecting.
Then again, you also project your racism on others.

It's pretty hilarious that your debate skills pretty much consist of going "NO U."

Nope, no take-backs, go on right ahead.

Okay, here's what an apology from Agent23 looks like:


Let's see....

Business & Finance - Economic Fallout: Pandemic, Brandon, Money Printer Go Brr, Ukraine.

i feel this article by the mises institute provides some much needed perspective on the situation https://mises.org/wire/russia-isnt-nearly-isolated-washington-wants-you-believe

www.the-sietch.com

Business & Finance - Economic Fallout: Pandemic, Brandon, Money Printer Go Brr, Ukraine.

Chukchi Looking this up.... Russians first began contacting the Chukchi when they reached the Kolyma River (1643) and the Anadyr River (1649).[12] The route from Nizhnekolymsk to the fort at Anadyrsk along the southwest of the main Chukchi area became a major trade route. The overland...

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Business & Finance - Economic Fallout: Pandemic, Brandon, Money Printer Go Brr, Ukraine.

Chukchi Looking this up.... Russians first began contacting the Chukchi when they reached the Kolyma River (1643) and the Anadyr River (1649).[12] The route from Nizhnekolymsk to the fort at Anadyrsk along the southwest of the main Chukchi area became a major trade route. The overland...

www.the-sietch.com

Business & Finance - Economic Fallout: Pandemic, Brandon, Money Printer Go Brr, Ukraine.

Chukchi Looking this up.... Russians first began contacting the Chukchi when they reached the Kolyma River (1643) and the Anadyr River (1649).[12] The route from Nizhnekolymsk to the fort at Anadyrsk along the southwest of the main Chukchi area became a major trade route. The overland...

www.the-sietch.com

Business & Finance - Economic Fallout: Pandemic, Brandon, Money Printer Go Brr, Ukraine.

Chukchi Looking this up.... Russians first began contacting the Chukchi when they reached the Kolyma River (1643) and the Anadyr River (1649).[12] The route from Nizhnekolymsk to the fort at Anadyrsk along the southwest of the main Chukchi area became a major trade route. The overland...

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Business & Finance - Economic Fallout: Pandemic, Brandon, Money Printer Go Brr, Ukraine.

I'm not really involved in this fight, but, well.... With both Australia and the US, we we stupid enough to end up totally dependant on China. I think that's worse than Russia. You ozzies are still better off because your currency is not the reserve currency of the world, and you will...

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Iron Revolution in Michigan 2500 BCE

As the tin says: The Indigenous People of Michigan, here and after referred to as the Michiganders, use their established copper trade to begin mining the Iron Ore and Coal deposits of the Upper Peninsula in an organized way to create iron tools and maintain it to form an Iron Revolution...

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Iron Revolution in Michigan 2500 BCE

Any chance of them developing an actual Industrial Revolution? Or at least proto-industrialization as in Song China? IMHO they'd need to domesticate some livestock for that, also develop writing, which came about thanks to agriculture. Without some form of beast of burden, they would have...

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Yeah, that totally comes off as just a bit of friendly teasing to me.

So how much longer do you want to derail this thread with your crybullying?

 

[Bacle]

A more detailed breakdown of what Sholz said; complete withdrawal from Ukraine by Russian forces is pretty much a precondition for any negotiations and that Putin must be made to understand that victory is impossible for him in Ukraine.

Says EU membership for Ukraine is still on the table, and Ukraine would receive security guarantees from the West when this conflict is over.

Edit: Even bigger news:


If the CCP made the promise to Sholz not to provide lethal aid to Russia, so open CCP supply to Russia of weapons looks less likely.

Though we will have to see if this just means the CCP try to smuggle more shit through North Korea now.

 

[Marduk]

A more detailed breakdown of what Sholz said; complete withdrawal from Ukraine by Russian forces is pretty much a precondition for any negotiations and that Putin must be made to understand that victory is impossible for him in Ukraine.

Says EU membership for Ukraine is still on the table, and Ukraine would receive security guarantees from the West when this conflict is over.

Edit: Even bigger news:


If the CCP made the promise to Sholz not to provide lethal aid to Russia, so open CCP supply to Russia of weapons looks less likely.

Though we will have to see if this just means the CCP try to smuggle more shit through North Korea now.

Well, it wouldn't be the first or the last time the CCP lied to someone...
The situation is that while the CCP leadership would love to send their surplus to Russia, both for political preferential reasons and the fact that Russian money is still money, the other side of the medal is that they would also prefer to avoid escalating tensions with the West, losing money from that side, and above all, getting hit with secondary or even primary sanctions by USA. So if they do anything, they will insist on it being done in secrecy. Which it seems they are struggling to keep.

 

[Zachowon]

It will only remain secret for so long if they do it

 

[Agent23]

>5000 sanctions and 10 rounds of sanctions later.


Remind me, wasn't Joe claiming that the roubel would be rubble and that they would crash the Russian economy?

 

[mrttao]

Dude, I'm literally Lakota. Also, guess you're giving me that lecture now.

1. Are you claiming that Megadeath your alt account?

2. I am lecturing him about dishonest misquoting. Not about the language.
I will give you the same lecture if you make dishonest misquotes.

 

[S'task]

I warned everyone I was watching and that the derails and degradation of morals with personal vendetta would not be allowed to continue. As such, @Agent23 and @Captain X are taking a nice two week vacation from the thread. I trust this proves my point and the rest of you can continue to have a civil discussion with one another.

 

[Cherico]

So going back to it looks like russias paying for all of its sanctioned goods with gold which is probally why the price of gold hasn't skyrocketed like a lot of people thought it would. How long do you guys think their reserves will last?

 

[AmosTrask]

So going back to it looks like russias paying for all of its sanctioned goods with gold which is probally why the price of gold hasn't skyrocketed like a lot of people thought it would. How long do you guys think their reserves will last?

Oil. The trade imbalance has been in China's favor for the last fifteen years. Russia has been paying for Chinese goods and services with oil. The gold is on top of that for goods the Chinese charge extra for