Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Any credibility to this or more politicing as usual?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-ally-says-united-states-075006672.html

Well, Putin being a lunatic has said that if the Russian ethnicity were to face extinction that he would suicide the whole world with ICBMs so it can have a nice pyre.

So that's not out of the realm of possibly being something Medvedev would warn about.

Not anyone who disagrees with me (which would indeed be a very SB thing), but everyone who actually holds nationalist-socialist beliefs, which some people on this site do.

No one on this site holds those views, the one dude left who held those views got shitcanned from the forum last summer.

So either you're delusional or you were dishonestly trying to get a bunch of us perm banned from the site for not sucking Ukrianian dick.

 

[GoldRanger]

No one on this site holds those views, the one dude left who held those views got shitcanned from the forum last summer.

So either you're delusional or you were dishonestly trying to get a bunch of us perm banned from the site for not sucking Ukrianian dick.

Fuck no, wrong. There are multiple people left here who do hold such opinions, 100%. That's the inconvenient truth.

 

[Bacle]

One can oppose globalism while also understanding that Russia and other rogue countries like it (China, Iran, potentially Turkey although lately Erdogan cooled down some) have to be contained for the sake of all. Anti-globalism doesn't have to mean wrapping all countries in in bubble-wrap, countries can still have defensive alliances, tight trade relations, responsible immigration etc, as long as they don't try to forcibly interfere in each other's cultures.

I think Erdogan is going to come out of this conflict with more Bayaktar orders than Turkey can fill.

I do not like Erdogan for some of his shit he's done in Syria and Iraq with regards to the Kurds, and that probably won't change.

But I know he is not really eager to play to Putin's fiddle, and Ukraine was/is a decent trading partner for Turkey, so Erdogan is going to keep helping Ukraine keep it's Bayaktar fleet operational.

No one on this site holds those views, the one dude left who held those views got shitcanned from the forum last summer.

So either you're delusional or you were dishonestly trying to get a bunch of us perm banned from the site for not sucking Ukrianian dick.

Eh, Whitestrake and Fried are still members here.

Those two often espouse bullshit that is not far from nat-soc shit, they just pretend their views aren't 'socialist' because they come from a 'based' angle, and don't go into rage-fits like Invictus did. They have just learned to toe the line so they can post nat-soc shit without breaking into open Stalinism, Hitlerism, or Maoism.

Fuck no, wrong. There are multiple people left here who do hold such opinions, 100%. That's the inconvenient truth.

Exactly.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Fuck no, wrong. There are multiple people left here who do hold such opinions, 100%. That's the inconvenient truth.

You think I'm one of them, which is the polar opposite of the views I hold. You are completely incapable rendering that judgment.

But I know he is not really eager to play to Putin's fiddle, and Ukraine was/is a decent trading partner for Turkey, so Erdogan is going to keep helping Ukraine keep it's Bayaktar fleet operational.
Eh, Whitestrake and Fried are still members here.

Unless I'm missing something Whitesnake is your bog standard South American style antisemite (Not that he is South American.)...Not a nat soc, easy to confuse the two though since esa gente son big lovers of welfare and the Nazi's were the biggest simps on earth for promiscuity and gibs similar garbage but missing a deadlier edge.

Fried is a Groyper, Groypers aren't Nazi's, they're politically more aligned with Bob Marley than they are Nazis..of course if you told a Groyper that they'd shove their own heads into the nearest oven.

..you know what? Tell more Groypers that.

 

[Bacle]

Whitesnake is your bog standard South American style antisemite (Not that he is South American.)...Not a nat soc, easy to confuse the two though since esa gente son big lovers of welfare and the Nazi's were the biggest simps on earth for promiscuity and gibs similar garbage but missing a deadlier edge.

Fair enough; it is rather hard to tell the difference unless you have experience with both types.

Fried is a Groyper, Groypers aren't Nazi's, they're politically more aligned with Bob Marley than they are Nazis..of course if you told a Groyper that they'd shove their own heads into the nearest oven.

..you know what? Tell more Groypers that. View attachment 1233

I had not thought of it that way, but comparing Groypers to Bob Marley probably would be entertaining as shit to see the reaction to.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Fair enough; it is rather hard to tell the difference unless you have experience with both types.

Fair enough, retardation is a spectrum after all.

I had not thought of it that way, but comparing Groypers to Bob Marley probably would be entertaining as shit to see the reaction to.

It's just something I noticed because I grew up in politics outside of the US, but they quote afro-Caribbean politicians so often that it's almost like they've a closet fetish for it or something but if you bring it up to them they cognitively brick like you wouldn't believe.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

It's just something I noticed because I grew up in politics outside of the US, but they quote afro-Caribbean politicians so often that it's almost like they've a closet fetish for it or something but if you bring it up to them they cognitively brick like you wouldn't believe.

I really think that it's a case of "it's different therefore it must be better. They are dissatisfied with the current state of affairs and think that anything else almost has to be better than the current state by default, especially with previously existing systems. They completely forget or ignore that necessity, not oppression is the mother of invention and that every failure led us to this moment as well as success has led us to this moment.

If the old systems didn't have some sort of fatal flaw that could be cracked or exploited the states that still lived by them would still be the prominent ones.

Aa flawed as the US is and is suffering from rot, the fact that we are still one of the biggest dogs in the game despite deleberite sabatoge and that we have more people of all nationalities coming in as opposed to going out, in my eyes mean we are at least still doing a couple of things right.

 

[GoldRanger]

You think I'm one of them, which is the polar opposite of the views I hold. You are completely incapable rendering that judgment.

Actually no, I don't think you're one. I dislike you for other views.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I really think that it's a case of "it's different therefore it must be better. They are dissatisfied with the current state of affairs and think that anything else almost has to be better than the current state by default, especially with previously existing systems.

Possibly, I always assumed they were mirroring other nativist movements from all over the world but didn't want to be seen as allying with them, when that was fairly common back in the day (See Skinheads, Reggae dudes and Powell followers all sort of siding with each other in the 70's.) because half of them are glowies and actual rightwing organizing even if by doofuses is a sin.

But them just being frustrated Zoomers also makes sense..I'll concede that point.


They completely forget or ignore that necessity, not oppression is the mother of invention and that every failure led us to this moment as well as success has led us to this moment.

If the old systems didn't have some sort of fatal flaw that could be cracked or exploited the states that still lived by them would still be the prominent ones.

Yeah, you're right. Though that's a consequence of dancing to your enemy's tune.

Aa flawed as the US is and is suffering from rot, the fact that we are still one of the biggest dogs in the game despite deleberite sabatoge and that we have more people of all nationalities coming in as opposed to going out, in my eyes mean we are at least still doing a couple of things right.

We're doing a lot of things right, the few things we do wrong, we're doing extraordinarily wrong. Luckily our enemies are even bigger fuck ups.

 

[Abhorsen]

Friendly mod reminder to please get back on topic and keep it calm. Thanks!

 

[WolfBear]

Eh. I'd reckon most Ukrainians (or most Europeans for that matter) won't be able to pinpoint, say, Wisconsin on a map. It doesn't really mean that much.

Yeah, the positive side is that most Americans at least got it fairly close to accurate.

 

[SchrodingersWehraboo]

In a VERY enlightening twitter rant, 248k follow account Louise Mensch claims that kicking out Putin and bringing Russia to heel will be revenge for 2016, Covid misinfo, the Scottish referendum, and the Trucker Rally:

The problem with discourse about this war? People like this woman are in the driver’s seat. And yeah, she might be overtly nutty and got ratioed hard in that rant, but there are certainly many like-minded people out there, who share the idea that there’s a direct line from Brexit to Trump to anti-lockdown protestors to J6, and that line leads to Russia. 6 years of lies can do that. And no doubt, in their twisted minds, the idea is forming that after they take “revenge” on Russia, it will be time to take the “Russian puppets” at home to task.
This isn’t getting into the ballyhoo that Ukraine is a testing ground for the World Economic Forum.

 

[Cherico]

In a VERY enlightening twitter rant, 248k follow account Louise Mensch claims that kicking out Putin and bringing Russia to heel will be revenge for 2016, Covid misinfo, the Scottish referendum, and the Trucker Rally:

The problem with discourse about this war? People like this woman are in the driver’s seat. And yeah, she might be overtly nutty and got ratioed hard in that rant, but there are certainly many like-minded people out there, who share the idea that there’s a direct line from Brexit to Trump to anti-lockdown protestors to J6, and that line leads to Russia. 6 years of lies can do that. And no doubt, in their twisted minds, the idea is forming that after they take “revenge” on Russia, it will be time to take the “Russian puppets” at home to task.
This isn’t getting into the ballyhoo that Ukraine is a testing ground for the World Economic Forum.

yeah I don't want people like her anywhere near power like at all.

 

[Agent23]

@Battlegrinder this addresses civilian casualties.

Also, goes into growing western totalitarianism because of this, the influence of western diasporas coming from Russophobic countries, the need for consensus in Europe to prevent war.
Neocon obsession with regime change in Russia, proxy war.
Bunch of other interesting tidbits.

The guy sadly thinks that Trump was "strongarming" Ukraine to give him dirt on Biden, but you do need actual dirt to give it, so...

 

[GoldRanger]

Some idiots (even influential idiots) falsely linking American internal politics to Russia doesn't mean that Putin is good or is your friend, or even that both Russia and Ukraine are bad.

 

[Batrix2070]

Some idiots (even influential idiots) falsely linking American internal politics to Russia doesn't mean that Putin is good or is your friend, or even that both Russia and Ukraine are bad.

Because they don't realize that Wokeism is in Putin's favor? He doesn't give a fuck about them all, and he's no savior of the right wing of the world. He's fucking happy with what the west is fucking up because it weakens his enemies! He doesn't care about you. Why not? Because you are for your countries to regain their former strength.

And the worst part is that it allows the left to equate the right with Putin, at your own request, excluding yourselves from normal discussion. Especially since they can appeal to the anti-Russian unity front. The only way that can realistically change this is if Russia and Putin collapse. In this way you lose your common enemy, so you can get on with the cultural fight.

 

[Agent23]

Because they don't realize that Wokeism is in Putin's favor? He doesn't give a fuck about them all, and he's no savior of the right wing of the world. He's fucking happened tewith what the west is fucking up because it weakens his enemies! He doesn't care about you. Why not? Because you are for your countries to regain their former strength.

And the worst part is that it allows the left to equate the right with Putin, at your own request, excluding yourselves from normal discussion. Especially since they can appeal to the anti-Russian unity front. The only way that can realistically change this is if Russia and Putin collapse. In this way you lose your common enemy, so you can get on with the cultural fight.

First off, most internationalism originated from the Left/Progressive wing of US politics.
Theodore Roosevelt for example ran as a Republican because he was too progressive for the Democrats.
Wilsonian Interventionism started the original push for "Making the world safe for democracy" and more trans-national institutions, think League of nations.
Hell, even Richard Nixon wanted to extricate himself from Vietnam, a war that JFK started and LBJ of Great Society fame greatly expanded.(LBJ was on the payroll of the predecessor of Halliburton, btw.)

Conservatism means you have stuff to conserve, stirring shit up halfway across the world without any real payoff when you clearly have no nation-level benefit is conserving nothing.

 

[SchrodingersWehraboo]

Some idiots (even influential idiots) falsely linking American internal politics to Russia doesn't mean that Putin is good or is your friend, or even that both Russia and Ukraine are bad.

Good thing I don’t think Putin is my friend, it’s the “idiots” that are my fellow citizens that invite concern.

 

[ATP]

Some idiots (even influential idiots) falsely linking American internal politics to Russia doesn't mean that Putin is good or is your friend, or even that both Russia and Ukraine are bad.

Like Cortez said about indians helping against Aztecs - they are not allies,only my enemy enemies.

 

[Agent23]

Bit of background on that thingy that calls itself Ukraine.