Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

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So going back to it looks like russias paying for all of its sanctioned goods with gold which is probally why the price of gold hasn't skyrocketed like a lot of people thought it would. How long do you guys think their reserves will last?
Depends entirely on how much they have to buy and how quickly. If China, Iran and the rest require prompt payment of gold...well, it may not last past the summer. One final push for the summer months!
 
So going back to it looks like russias paying for all of its sanctioned goods with gold which is probally why the price of gold hasn't skyrocketed like a lot of people thought it would. How long do you guys think their reserves will last?
Depends entirely on how much they have to buy and how quickly. If China, Iran and the rest require prompt payment of gold...well, it may not last past the summer. One final push for the summer months!
The Russians haven't ever really disclosed how much gold they had in reserve, and they can mine gold from Siberia at will, so Russian gold reserves are effectively a 'who knows' situation and should not be expected to dry up any time this decade, never mind this year.
 
The Russians haven't ever really disclosed how much gold they had in reserve, and they can mine gold from Siberia at will, so Russian gold reserves are effectively a 'who knows' situation and should not be expected to dry up any time this decade, never mind this year.
I mean it takes time money and manpower to even start a mining operation or increase it from where it’s at so I would assume their running off of whatever is already ready to go which I can’t imagine is going to last for very long if their buying at any kind of scale. But I haven’t looked into the actual numbers though.
 
The Russians haven't ever really disclosed how much gold they had in reserve, and they can mine gold from Siberia at will, so Russian gold reserves are effectively a 'who knows' situation and should not be expected to dry up any time this decade, never mind this year.

At the same time war is expensive, they have been cut off from much of global trade and their blowing through their cold war stock piles fast. The fact that we have such a major conflict and its not affecting gold prices nearly as much as they should be is a sign that Russias going through a lot of dosh fast.
 
Personally, I've never held that forceful change of culture = genocide. Normal genocide is death/rape in near total (or the attempt of it). Cultural genocide is thus the complete eradication of the previous culture, and everything it stood for. So yes, the humanity declaration was bad. But it wasn't linked with a thousand other things to purposefully kill off the culture such as banning Taoism & Buddhism, especially Zen Buddhism, the destruction of shinto shrines, forceful movement outside of the main islands, etc. You'd need a lot of stuff to make it qualify. Basically there's a really high bar to meet here. Kidnapping and reeducation meets it (or at least meets attempting it).

Notably, kidnapping and reeducation has been tried in the past (notably the US government and native Americans), and I'd say that comes pretty close to qualifying as an attempt.

Apologies for the lack of a precise definition, but I think to start let's establish some examples of what we can all agree are and aren't cultural genocides.

I'd say classic examples are the CCP in Tibet and with the Uighurs, US with the Native Americans when it came to the Indian schools, and various medieval powers forcibly converting Jews.

Non-examples would be the Brits conquering India, US treatment of black citizens post civil war (awful, not genocide though), and the example you just gave with Japan.
Ok your definition is reasonable I was asking about a definition for cultural destruction because it is varries obviously taking kids away from parents and forbidding their language clothes religion and other cultures is one thing. But if the the group that is oppressing the other is so similar is it even possible to culturally genocide them? For example if china invaded Canada and forced them to be Chinese that would be a great difference and I would agree it’s culturally genocide. But what if America or the UK invaded Canada instead and did that? How different are Canadians and Americans their lifestyles are so similar that I have doubts it would be cultural genocide.

I'm the one who brought the issue up and made the comparison to the boarding schools Native children were kidnapped and sent to, so that is my baseline comparison, which sounds quite a bit like what is being done to Ukrainian children.


If that were the case, Russia wouldn't be going out of its way to be so vocal about their plans to erase Ukrainian culture and language, and there'd be no point in kidnapping their children and sending them to live with Russian families.
Again you might be biased because of what your people went through so you are having trouble looking at it objectively. The Natives were a completely separate civilization to the English colonists so the schools that natives were forced into would erase their identity. But Ukraine might be more like if the British acted like the mongols and in the 1800s went o America killed all the men raped the women then reeducation the kids. The culture of Britain and America did not diverge enough to be that seperate back then. The Ukrainians are related to the Russians it’s not like they are being invaded by the Chinese or Argentina or South Africa.

Because the Japanese themselves didn't give a shit, and the Emperor Cult wasn't a religion in the same way that Christianity is a religion. You might as well claim that Germany was culturally genocided because the Allies aimed to stamp out Prussianism once and for all.

Like, if if some secular authortiy forced the Pope to say something like "Jesus is not the son of god," you would have a mass reaction from the Catholic faithful. But in Japan? No one gave a shit about the Humanity Declaration. And contrary to what MacArthur and the Americans thought, the Americans probably could have gotten away with destroying the Throne had they really tried to do it (or at the very least, deposed Hirohito and put in a new successor).

And no one has given a shit since. It's been 70 years since the American occupation which lasted for a mere 8 years. And no one in Japan is actually interested in like, making the Emperor a god or giving him real power again. By contrast, Russia has exterminate Ukrainian culture in some way or another with atrocity after atrocity for up to 300 years depending on how you want to demarcate it, and they still haven't succeeded.
The Japanese were willing to kill themselves so no they would have cared. Your arguments reek of spacebattles. And the Japanese still revere their emperor, the only thing you are right about is that we might have been able to replace the emperor.
 
Ok your definition is reasonable I was asking about a definition for cultural destruction because it is varries obviously taking kids away from parents and forbidding their language clothes religion and other cultures is one thing. But if the the group that is oppressing the other is so similar is it even possible to culturally genocide them? For example if china invaded Canada and forced them to be Chinese that would be a great difference and I would agree it’s culturally genocide. But what if America or the UK invaded Canada instead and did that? How different are Canadians and Americans their lifestyles are so similar that I have doubts it would be cultural genocide.
I see what you mean about not having enough difference in culture. I'd say that if an attempt is made to indoctrinate kids, clearly there was enough of a difference in culture for it to matter to the decision makers, and thus it'd qualify. Basically, I doubt the US would bother crushing the Canadian culture, outside of maybe Ottawa, because there would be no point.

But if America felt the need to crush the culture by, for example, banning people from speaking French or using the metric system or whatever, clearly then there would be enough of a culture difference to qualify, as America is recognizing it as different in it's attempt to crush it.
 
Depends entirely on how much they have to buy and how quickly. If China, Iran and the rest require prompt payment of gold...well, it may not last past the summer. One final push for the summer months!
According to any public data from recent years it's something around 300 tons/year. So in terms of budget, it's a nice bonus, but it's still oil and gas sales that will decide the fate of their budget, not this.
 


Well, that's interesting, didn't realize Russia was going to try to use kidnapped kids as hostages for prisoner exchanges.

Guess the Russians would prefer to handle it this way, rather than Ukrainian/Western SoF doing the rescues in a more kinetic fashion inside Russia itself.
 


Well, that's interesting, didn't realize Russia was going to try to use kidnapped kids as hostages for prisoner exchanges.

Guess the Russians would prefer to handle it this way, rather than Ukrainian/Western SoF doing the rescues in a more kinetic fashion inside Russia itself.

She was exchanged for a Party official's relative. One of the Russian PoWs was probably a politician's relative. Of course they'd use children as hostages.
 


Oh dear, the Russian Interior Ministry is on fire.


just one thing after another for them.
Since that ministry handles the census and housing records used by the military for conscription I am surprised the partisans took this long to firebomb it. The offices in the other republics have already been destroyed or have had many attempts so far. Then again they didn't start conscription in Moscow and St Petersburg until the start of February.
 
China asked Łukaszenko to come to Pekin with kowtow,and he obliged.
It seems,that Moscov lost another vassal state .
They should fight China and Turkey,who want their lands,not Ukraine or Poland.
Idiots.
It seems,that we would get polish-chineese border from old jokes.
 
China asked Łukaszenko to come to Pekin with kowtow,and he obliged.
It seems,that Moscov lost another vassal state .
They should fight China and Turkey,who want their lands,not Ukraine or Poland.
Idiots.
It seems,that we would get polish-chineese border from old jokes.
Because they like beating up small, weak targets and getting away with it. Like with Georgia.
With China and Turkey, they would be under real risk of losing and the other side outright taking large parts of their or allied territory because those are countries willing to go all fuck you like they do.
They thought Ukraine was such a target.
 
Because they like beating up small, weak targets and getting away with it. Like with Georgia.
With China and Turkey, they would be under real risk of losing and the other side outright taking large parts of their or allied territory because those are countries willing to go all fuck you like they do.
They thought Ukraine was such a target.
Yes,but why? KGB do not made such mistakes,somebody there must lied to Putin.Quite a few somebodies,actually.
China spies? If nothing change,they would got Moscov on gold plate in next few years.
And it would be not funny to have China border on Bug river.
 
Yes,but why? KGB do not made such mistakes,somebody there must lied to Putin.Quite a few somebodies,actually.
China spies? If nothing change,they would got Moscov on gold plate in next few years.
And it would be not funny to have China border on Bug river.
They do make such mistakes - remember Afghanistan?

Fact is, decision makers like to forget how bloody and messy war is. Everybody likes to believe they will get equivalent of US 2003 campaign against Iraq... when in fact that was not so much won by the US as it was lost by Iraq.
 
They do make such mistakes - remember Afghanistan?

Fact is, decision makers like to forget how bloody and messy war is. Everybody likes to believe they will get equivalent of US 2003 campaign against Iraq... when in fact that was not so much won by the US as it was lost by Iraq.
You have a point.They should wait and invade Iran when Chomeini take power.

They make mistakes..plus, they ain't what they used to be.

I hope that you are right.Becouse now i waiting for invecible hidden putin army to come and get me when i arleady though that they are done.
And i am only half-joking here - there must be some hidden kgb plan to crush us except super Ebola mixed with plague.
 
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