True, this is not charity.
However, Pakistan actually has the ability/equipment to make new build Soviet tanks/tank gear that doesn't need retraining to operate for Ukraine, unlike with Western MBTs.
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However, Pakistan actually has the ability/equipment to make new build Soviet tanks/tank gear that doesn't need retraining to operate for Ukraine, unlike with Western MBTs.
King Arts
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No you either want to treat people with Russian ethnicity diffrently OR you want to ban people including Americans from saying things that would "benefit the Kremlin" So if an American with no Russian ethnicity says America should be isolationist would you support executing them?
Guess what you would be reeing like a spacebattles dweeb if Fried or someone else said "blacks act like orcs because of all their crimes and riots in the summer of love" or "Arabs act like orcs because they cause many rapes
So no if by switching words will make someone sound like a white nationalist that's pretty sus.
The reason I have little respect for you is because of this "LOL your just trolling" bullshit. If someone has an unconventional opinion that does not mean they are just saying it to cause chaos they really believe it.
I don't care if the Supreme Court or FDR said it was legal. Hitler as Chancellor and Fuhrer of Germany said the killing of Jews was legal.
As for race riots well the people that participate in that should be executed. I don't like racists. But I'm honest and equal about that unlike you who is only against racism when the left says it's wrong but will go full neo con on Chinese, Russians, or Arabs.
And here we go, you exaggerate my positon and attack a strawman.
Yeah, I probably would have called that out; and for good reason; neither of those groups is the one invading Ukraine and threatening nukes against people who help Ukraine, and have a cultural history of genocide Ukrainians (Holomodor says hi), now is it?
There are Russians who do not support Putin, who are willing to fight the madness from the inside, and I commend them.
However, it's not the anti-Putin/anti-war Russians I said need to be treated with wartime suspicion, now is it?
It's hilarious you think I care what you think of me, @King Arts.
Yes, I'm aware you don't give a damn about the US Constitution or legal bodies, and are just trying for a cheap gotcha because that's all you ever do when you respond to me.
Hmm, and when did I include the Arabs in this; oh wait, I didn't, you did.
Go fuck yourself.
If FDR had been even remotely concerned about actual espionage, Americans of German and Italian heritage should have been pursued with four or five times the aggressiveness with which Japanese Americans were persecuted. There was never any actual fear of espionage, just an excuse for racists to act against what was then one of the most unpopular immigrant minority populations in America -- it wasn't until the 1970s that the narrative flipped to Asians being the "model minority" and Mexicans being the "bad ones".
And that's not just my opinion. It's the actual conclusion of the Presidential Commission on Wartime Relocation and Interment of Civilians, and that's with the CWRIC being biased in favor of FDR since it was ordered by fellow Democratic President Carter. There was never any evidence *or even credible suspicion* of disloyalty or espionage among Japanese immigrants and Americans of Japanese ancestry; the incarceration was motivated entirely by racism.
King Arts
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Not exagerating your position. Your first position was flat out genocide saying "All Russians that don't actively oppose Putin who are in the west should be killed as spies." Later you walked it back like a bitch and said those Russians who advocate for things that would bennefit Russia would be treated like spies. America going isolationist would bennefit Russia.
Ukraine ain't the center of the world. If you are acting like it is you are more brain dead than I thought since you probably knew nothing about that country before 5 years ago.
Is the current Russian invasion bad yes, was the past Russian oppression bad yes.
Is the current higher crime rates that blacks or arabs do in the west bad yes.
But people are individuals and only those that commit wrongdoing should be judged the black guy who does violent crimes, the Arab who rapes, the Russian soldier who commits war crimes like rape, or killing civillians or POW's.
Not every black, not every Arab, not every Russian. Hell not every Russian soldier even just those who actually have done evil actions.
Hell Horton, and Fried are possibly better people than you, as while they might be racist towards blacks or arabs or whatever at least those groups live close by to him so he could have some legitimate complaints about their actions hurting him. The same does not apply to your hate of Russian people.
Then why do you keep whinning about muh trolling like a brain dead spacebattler?
You are the one who wants to violate the Constitution, and kill people based on their race unless you can compell speech from them. You are the biggest piece of shit here a psedu social justice warrior, the Nazis and the Theocrats have nothing on you.
Germans americans were interned during the second world war it wasn't just the japanese.
Internment of German Americans - Wikipedia
Also I think you have to keep in mind that the the world wars were big ugly things. Wars on that length and scale always bring the worst out of people.
Pakistan is an odd case because although they are Islamic and have heavy, deep ties to the Islamic World, they love their Western shit and try to maintain good relations with Western countries. Try to take away a Pakistani's cricket? Yeah, you're in for a bad time, haha.
They also dislike China and Russia, but who doesn't?
On Russia: While non-Putin drones in Russia can be decent people like any other person out there can be, Russia on the whole, especially their various governments, policies, and certain cultural aspects attributed to the aforementioned two, is still barbaric and imperial-minded.
We've seen this with how they've basically raped, both literally and proverbially, country after country in its various stages of its history.
The war crimes and crimes against humanity shown in Ukraine have proven this again.
They also dislike China and Russia, but who doesn't?
On Russia: While non-Putin drones in Russia can be decent people like any other person out there can be, Russia on the whole, especially their various governments, policies, and certain cultural aspects attributed to the aforementioned two, is still barbaric and imperial-minded.
We've seen this with how they've basically raped, both literally and proverbially, country after country in its various stages of its history.
The war crimes and crimes against humanity shown in Ukraine have proven this again.
Well, looking back it's easy to say that there was no intel threat; in the moment, after Pearl Harbor...it wasn't a nice situation, and yeah, racial tensions existed.
However, the lack of intel threat is part of why people actually do feel bad about the camps, and why people don't really question the loyalty of Japanese-Americans these days.
King Arts
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What? What are you talking about the Pakistanis are shit allies for the west, and they actually have decent relations with China since they both have issues with India. The whole enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Ok, and? Let's say a president around Jimmy Carter's time decided to have the people who gave and enforced that order arrested and the courts at the time prescribbed the death penalty. You'd be bitching because YOUR well meaning racists were hurt.
They actually want good relations with Europe and the UK -- the US, not so much. The Western World isn't just the United States, you know.
China is complicated -- they know they're in disputes with India, so "yay, go China!" there, and they also know that they've been building in-roads into Pakistan (financial ties, companies, et cetera)... but they also know that China doesn't give a shit about them, would use and discard them in a heartbeat, and the various Chinese investments in Pakistan will benefit the Chinese more than them.
It's pretty much a "smile politely" veneer sort-of deal.
They beat the beautiful female soldier and raped her male squad members!? Yeah. As I've said before. There is an egregious amount of raping men both as a tool to discipline their own soldiers and to torture their enemies in the Russian military. Especially with how vehemently anti-homosexual the Russians are. Given how common it is I now can't get the image of Russian officers as the stereotype, aggressive, gay predator determined to turn every straight man gay.
It reminds me of the gay rapist from the show Queer as Folk.
mrttao
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That is not the argument.
The argument is on whether or not it is advocating genocide to say that "all russians should be killed", followed by an exemption for "those who are actively anti-putin".
That is a lot of women, children, and elderly russians that you are condemning to death camps for not being actively anti putin.
Yes their society is "barbaric". Their barbarism is why he is advocating for their genocide (and also why he is constantly referring to russians as orcs, repeatedly).
But:
1. the target of a genocide being barbaric does not mean it is not genocide.
2. ever since the west fell and started implemented mass child abuse and genital mutilation there remains no un-barbaric society on earth.
King Arts
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Yes and those Russian soldiers that engage in this are scum who should be tried for war crimes and executed. No one except maybe Agent is cheering this in. But that soldiers do terrible things is no reason to be racist. There is the example of Americans at Abu Graib. Yet not all Americans are bad. Also yesterday I read about how Turkish soldiers executed female Kurdish soldiers and the. Desecrating the bodies by stripping them naked. Evil horrible actions and the people who do this deserve to burn in hell. But going full Hitler and hating Turks is kinda fucked up. Unless you are part of the group that is fighting them.
This is an entirely meaningless complaint given that the meaning of the word "barbarian" has changed continuously throughout its use.
In the original Mycenaean Greek, "bárbaros" transliterates to "not a citizen of the city" and meant those who do not speak Greek, although the Athenians notably used it to refer to all non-Athenians, including rival Greek city-states. It did not mean "uncivilized", as the Greeks referred to in their writings to the Egyptians, Persians, Medes, and Phoenicians as "bárbaros" despite those being greater and more established civilizations than the Greeks themselves.
The Romans -- who were themselves all barbarians by the Greek definition -- adopted the word but changed its meaning to refer to unorganized foreign tribes, which is where the idea of barbarians being uncivilized comes from. Over time, the Romans started using the term for all foreigners, somewhat circling back towards the Greek meaning.
I'm not the one who wanted to consign Russians to "death camps" or the like.
My view is that those are are pro-Putin, who are pro-imperialistic (which typically ties back into being pro-Putin but not always e.g. pro-Soviets), those who idealize the cultural Russian aspects that go back to their being complete and utter fucking savages, and those are those who are essentially raping Ukraine physically and proverbially are the orcs @Bacle was talking about.
Although, he was correct about their being compared to orcs was an insult to orcs.
Like anyone else, a Russian is a person: If that person acts like a fucking savage or idealizes being a fucking savage, they deserve to not even be pissed on if on fire in the street.
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Not if it start somewhere else,and they could blame it,let say,on Iran.
The USA has samples of all Soviet era bioweapons. Or close to all. The labs were raided by Western agents during the instabilities of the Fall. Lots of scientists were desperate and came west for asylum or work bringing their data and in most cases samples as the West was offering large bounties for Soviet weapons
If they belive that they survive in some underground city on Ural,they would still go for it.
Remember,they are psyhopaths.
P.S do not insult both orcs and russians.Orcs were at least partially efficient,the same goes for russians or even soviets.
What we had now are neosoviets unable to win using soviet tactic.
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