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AmosTrask

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If they belive that they survive in some underground city on Ural,they would still go for it.
Remember,they are psyhopaths.

P.S do not insult both orcs and russians.Orcs were at least partially efficient,the same goes for russians or even soviets.
What we had now are neosoviets unable to win using soviet tactic.
The Soviet Union at its height would lose in a modern war.
 

AmosTrask

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Yes,but after taking part of Europe,burning world,or both.
What neosoviet are doing now is kind of joke,unless they really have hidden army.Which is not impossible.
Not even getting past the Ukraine. 1970 to 1983 was the Soviet zenith. Even then the infrastructure was starting to crumble from corruption. Non-modernized MBT and BMPs and artillery against today? It's the Battle of Kasham, also called Conoco Fields, writ large. Modern USAF and artillery killing Russians from beyond their ability to see or detect with their equipment. Besides not even the Soviets had a TRADOC equivalent to standardized training and tactics and pass on institutional knowledge as all Western militaries do.

Every republic had self sufficient independent training and no training with the wider Soviet military. It's the biggest reason the Russians keep repeating failed tactics. Every unit has independent chain of commands and they jealously guard their command privileges.
 
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Jormungandr

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Not even getting past the Ukraine. 1970 to 1983 was the Soviet zenith. Even then the infrastructure was starting to crumble from corruption. Non-modernized MBT and BMPs and artillery against today? It's the Battle of Kasham, also called Conoco Fields, writ large. Modern USAF and artillery killing Russians from beyond their ability to see or detect with their equipment.
Afghanistan didn't help the Soviets, either: There's a reason why it's called the "Graveyard of Empires".
 

AmosTrask

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Afghanistan didn't help the Soviets, either: There's a reason why it's called the "Graveyard of Empires".
Yes. Only three kings and one general are remembered, respected and feared by Afghans. Alexander of Macedon, Temujin and his trusted general Subutai, and finally Timur the Lame whom they remember by the epithet "the Demon." Tamerlane almost completely slaughtered the tribes to force submission. An entire generation of men ages 12 - 60 slaughtered or sold into slavery. Only then did the tribes submit.
 

Jormungandr

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Yes. Only three kings and one general are remembered, respected and feared by Afghans. Alexander of Macedon, Temujin and his trusted general Subutai, and finally Timur the Lame whom they remember by the epithet "the Demon." Tamerlane almost completely slaughtered the tribes to force submission. An entire generation of men ages 12 - 60 slaughtered or sold into slavery. Only then did the tribes submit.
To be fair, committing cultural or near-cultural genocide would get any organized group to submit.

People tend to forget that before war became "civilized" (or the Big Boys made it civilized so that if any smaller entities tried any insidious shit, they'd get wiped out in retaliation), shit like decimation was the norm.

Hell, Rome literally burned Carthage to the ground, enslaved or killed 75% of its population, and salted the fucking ground so it'd never rise again, lol.
 

Megadeath

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To be fair, committing cultural or near-cultural genocide would get any organized group to submit.

People tend to forget that before war became "civilized" (or the Big Boys made it civilized so that if any smaller entities tried any insidious shit, they'd get wiped out in retaliation), shit like decimation was the norm.

Hell, Rome literally burned Carthage to the ground, enslaved or killed 75% of its population, and salted the fucking ground so it'd never rise again, lol.
Actually, the general consensus is that Rome almost certainly didn't. Heavy enslavement sure, but not the total destruction of the city, and if they salted the earth it was most likely a symbolic kinda sprinkling parade down the main street. Which should be obvious when we think about how valuable salt actually was in ancient times. Spending a fortune to spit on an already defeated enemy would be absolute folly.
 

Jormungandr

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Actually, the general consensus is that Rome almost certainly didn't. Heavy enslavement sure, but not the total destruction of the city, and if they salted the earth it was most likely a symbolic kinda sprinkling parade down the main street. Which should be obvious when we think about how valuable salt actually was in ancient times. Spending a fortune to spit on an already defeated enemy would be absolute folly.
Makes sense about the salt being too valuable to use to contaminate ground, but they did effectively destroy the city: Homes were burned, the people enslaved and shipped off, the walls were torn down, and the harbour destroyed. None were really rebuilt after.

Although the city technically still existed and was technically still inhabited, it was effectively a near-ghost town until its complete abandonment later on (I think a century or two).

Rome, IIRC, also poisoned the wells, so that likely contributed to it, too.
 

King Arts

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Makes sense about the salt being too valuable to use to contaminate ground, but they did effectively destroy the city: Homes were burned, the people enslaved and shipped off, the walls were torn down, and the harbour destroyed. None were really rebuilt after.

Although the city technically still existed and was technically still inhabited, it was effectively a near-ghost town until its complete abandonment later on (I think a century or two).

Rome, IIRC, also poisoned the wells, so that likely contributed to it, too.
But it was rebuilt though.
 

Cherico

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Makes sense about the salt being too valuable to use to contaminate ground, but they did effectively destroy the city: Homes were burned, the people enslaved and shipped off, the walls were torn down, and the harbour destroyed. None were really rebuilt after.

Although the city technically still existed and was technically still inhabited, it was effectively a near-ghost town until its complete abandonment later on (I think a century or two).

Rome, IIRC, also poisoned the wells, so that likely contributed to it, too.
Only one power was going to come out of that fight
 

AmosTrask

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So the Russians caused a drone to crash in the Black Sea. And now they are claiming they had no contact with the drone. Seeing as the Russian jet was buzzing the drone playing chicken as they usually do right before it crashed. Yeah. . .

They buzz NATO planes and ships dumping fuel right on the NATO fighters and bombers. In international waters at that.
 

Cherico

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So the Russians caused a drone to crash in the Black Sea. And now they are claiming they had no contact with the drone. Seeing as the Russian jet was buzzing the drone playing chicken as they usually do right before it crashed. Yeah. . .

They buzz NATO planes and ships dumping fuel right on the NATO fighters and bombers. In international waters at that.
Whole point of a drone is to be disposable.
 

King Arts

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Yes. It is still an act of war to shoot it down in international waters.

is this a joke?
what was the drone doing there? oh I know, acts of war against russia.

we are all pretending very hard that there is not a war between the western oligarchs and putin.

but shooting down westerner drone is a nothingburger
You both are wrong it was flying in international waters anyone is allowed there. Damaging property is an escalation. Though the west isn’t innocent as the drone would be giving information to Ukraine who Russia is at war with. It’s not a nothing burger. But since no one died it is minor
 
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