Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[mrttao]

Yes,but why? KGB do not made such mistakes,somebody there must lied to Putin.Quite a few somebodies,actually.
China spies? If nothing change,they would got Moscov on gold plate in next few years.
And it would be not funny to have China border on Bug river.

They vastly under estimated the level of graft in their military.
That it was only 10% the size it thought it was due to ghost battalions. that tanks were for show due to parts graft. etc. etc. etc.

if russia had 10x the troops with proper supply chain and equipment they probably would have rolled over ukraine in a week.

 

[Jormungandr]

They vastly under estimated the level of graft in their military.
That it was only 10% the size it thought it was due to ghost battalions. that tanks were for show due to parts graft. etc. etc. etc.

if russia had 10x the troops with proper supply chain and equipment they probably would have rolled over ukraine in a week.

Amusingly enough, the British Army back in the Napoleonic Era had this problem: Officers were pocketing the money meant for new regiments, and kept them active only "on paper". Most recruits were assigned to existing regiments than new ones.

Sharpe actually had a great miniseries focus on this in one of the movies -- the regiment Sharpe was assigned to train/recruit didn't exist but in name, so he had to make it while also proving fraud.

In Russia? Yeah, corruption is so commonplace that it's all the way down to the janitorial stuff on military bases.

 

[AmosTrask]

Here's Prigozyn going on a drunken rant once again. Saying Wagner isn't finished. He'll take Bakhmut and build Wagner 70 Million stronk!


I hope the Georgian people succeed in kicking out the Russian puppets in their government. The government tried to install Russian style censorship laws and triggered a revolt instead. They tried to stop the protest by revoking the laws. But it was too little too late. The Georgians are sick and tired of Russian control. They want the government out, they want both Russian backed "Republic" provinces back.

 

[Bacle]

Russia openly threatening to invade Georgia again if they keep resisting Moscow's puppets.

 

[AmosTrask]

Russia openly threatening to invade Georgia again if they keep resisting Moscow's puppets.

Well. If Georgians have the will. Then they can succeed. It will take a lot of Georgian and Russian blood to achieve their goals. They need to make Russia bleed for every inch of ground.

 

[Bacle]

Well. If Georgians have the will. Then they can succeed. It will take a lot of Georgian and Russian blood to achieve their goals. They need to make Russia bleed for every inch of ground.

At this point just shooting Russians on sight in most of the west is justified, unless they are anti-Putin people.

 

[mrttao]

At this point just shooting Russians on sight in most of the west is justified, unless they are anti-Putin people.

I did not expect casual genocide advocacy from you Bacle

 

[Bacle]

I did not expect casual genocide advocacy from you Bacle

Genocide implies whole sale slaughter regardless of their views, and the whole ethnicity. That is not what I said.

If they are anti-Putin Russians, the are unlikely to harm people in the West, and they don't need to be treated as saboteurs/fifth column/intel agents.

If a Russian supports Putin and comes to the west, they should be treated as an enemy agent and dealt with accordingly; only reason not to kill them should they step outside Russia is to use them as bargaining chips for getting back people Russia kidnapped.

 

[Zachowon]

No killing Russians who arnt in combat.
Now, Georgia I hope kicks them our and does better this time around

 

[Zachowon]

Totally not gay.
Totally trad and based

 

[mrttao]

Genocide implies whole sale slaughter regardless of their views, and the whole ethnicity. That is not what I said.

If they are anti-Putin Russians, the are unlikely to harm people in the West, and they don't need to be treated as saboteurs/fifth column/intel agents.

If a Russian supports Putin and comes to the west, they should be treated as an enemy agent and dealt with accordingly; only reason not to kill them should they step outside Russia is to use them as bargaining chips for getting back people Russia kidnapped.

You literally explicitly said to kill every russian for being russian, then added an addendum of sparing "good russians" who are actively anti putin.

1. what if they are completely apolitical?
2. what if they are civilians who voted for putin?
3. women, children, and elderly? if they are not actively anti putin?

 

[Bacle]

You literally explicitly said to kill every russian for being russian, then added an addendum of sparing "good russians" who are actively anti putin.

1. what if they are completely apolitical?
2. what if they are civilians who voted for putin?
3. women, children, and elderly? if they are not actively anti putin?

No, I said this:

At this point just shooting Russians on sight in most of the west is justified, unless they are anti-Putin people.

Did I say every Russian? No.

Did I say Russians who come to/through the West, and are not anti-Putin? Yes.

And if a Russian is not actively anti-Putin/anti-invasion of Ukraine, they should be assumed to at least tacitly support his actions and goals. Thus, they should be treated as likely intel agents or saboteurs. If the Russians stay in Russia, then there is no issue.

Same with anyone from the CCP who not an open dissident against Beijing; assume intel agent or saboteur until proven otherwise.

And yes, I do view Russians as akin to orcs now, because they behave like orcs and frankly isolating Russia NK style is one of the better outcomes to the current hostilities. The Nork's even have better excuses for their brainwashing compared to Russians, because Russians had far more access to the outside world for far longer.

 

[King Arts]

No, I said this:

Did I say every Russian? No.

Did I say Russians who come to/through the West, and are not anti-Putin? Yes.

And if a Russian is not actively anti-Putin/anti-invasion of Ukraine, they should be assumed to at least tacitly support his actions and goals. Thus, they should be treated as likely intel agents or saboteurs. If the Russians stay in Russia, then there is no issue.

Same with anyone from the CCP who not an open dissident against Beijing; assume intel agent or saboteur until proven otherwise.

And yes, I do view Russians as akin to orcs now, because they behave like orcs and frankly isolating Russia NK style is one of the better outcomes to the current hostilities. The Nork's even have better excuses for their brainwashing compared to Russians, because Russians had far more access to the outside world for far longer.

Wow you really are a racist piece of shit.

 

[Bacle]

Wow you really are a racist piece of shit.

Lol, you just follow me around from thread to thread to insult and demean me, don't you.

And frankly, this war is just proving why being racist against Russians is just good sense; they sure as shit are racist against anyone non-Russian, or not the right type of Russian, and have no problem killing/invading those types.

 

[King Arts]

Lol, you just follow me around from thread to thread to insult and demean me, don't you.

Don’t flatter yourself we simply seem to both end up in interesting threads.

And frankly, this war is just proving why being racist against Russians is just good sense; they sure as shit are racist against anyone non-Russian, or not the right type of Russian.

Again fuck you. You say in one thread fuck Nazis or fascists or whatever and now in another you call an ethnic subhuman orcs. What next gonna say japan internment was good.

 

[Bacle]

Again fuck you. You say in one thread fuck Nazis or fascists or whatever and now in another you call an ethnic subhuman orcs. What next gonna say japan internment was good.

Oh, you upset I insulted Russia/Russians, you want to tissue?

If Russians want to be treated as humans, they should remove the people making them seem like orcs to the international community.

Or is it being insulting towards people who support the CCP that has you riled up?

As for the internment camps...the other option was race riots on the West Coast; it's not politically correct, but it was the reality at the time. I don't know if you've noticed, but people don't question the loyalty of Japanese-Americans these days, and a large part of that is because those camps had a lot of people who joined the 442nd in them that went to fight against the Nazi's in Europe.

I would have preferred those camps not happen, however I understand why they did, and I'm glad SCOTUS gave people restitution for their time in the camps/losses incurred against their property while in the camps.

 

[King Arts]

Oh, you upset I insulted Russia/Russians, you want to tissue?

No fuck Russia. I’m just not a pathetic hate filled bigot towards people I’ve never met like you are.

If Russians want to be treated as humans, they should remove the people making them seem like orcs to the international community.

Or is it being insulting towards people who support the CCP that has you riled up?

Oh boy you could swap those words with so many groups from blacks to Jews to Arabs. You know that sig of yours dealing with white nationalists yeah it applies to you. You say those of us on the right should call out and kick out racists well we have a racial supremacist right here.

As for the internment camps...the other option was race riots on the West Coast; it's not politically correct, but it was the reality at the time. I don't know if you've noticed, but people don't question the loyalty of Japanese-Americans, and a large part of that is because those camps had a lot of people who joined the 442nd in them that went to fight against the Nazi's in Europe.

I would have preferred those camps not happen, however I understand why they did, and I'm glad SCOTUS gave people restitution for their time in the camps/losses incurred against their property while in the camps.

Yeah no after the war all the camp guards and the people who gave the order should have been arrested tried for violating the human rights and constitutional rights of citizens and then once found guilty executed.

 

[Bacle]

No fuck Russia. I’m just not a pathetic hate filled bigot towards people I’ve never met like you are.

I don't hate Russians, I just know better than to believe that Russians who are in the west, that support Putin, are anything other than a fifth column/intel assets waiting to be activated.

Thus, I am fully willing to treat them the same ways spies are usually treated in wartime; executed or traded for one of ours.

Oh boy you could swap those words with so many groups from blacks to Jews to Arabs. You know that sig of yours dealing with white nationalists yeah it applies to you. You say those of us on the right should call out and kick out racists well we have a racial supremacist right here.

Ah yes, the 'well, if I change the words/labels/context, you are this and this and this.' and 'well, I'll try to gotcha him over this line, by ignoring the wider context'.

Yawn...

Yeah no after the war all the camp guards and the people who gave the order should have been arrested tried for violating the human rights and constitutional rights of citizens and then once found guilty executed.

Fucking lol, you're just trolling now.

No, the camps were a legal order given by FDR due to the wartime conditions, were the least worst option (race riots would have killed many of those Japanese-Americans), and SCOTUS awarded compensation because people found out after the war that Japan had almost no intel assets in the US the entire war, so the initial fears that caused the camps were unfounded.

But your last line shows this is really about just trying to 'gotcha' me and attack me.

 

[Bacle]

Anyway, in other news:


Pakistan seems to be rather useful at helping out Ukraine.

 

[Cherico]

Anyway, in other news:


Pakistan seems to be rather useful at helping out Ukraine.

Pakastan can always be related on to think of their own interests