Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[Husky_Khan]

Semantics, the behavior was coming from one group of people specifically, foreigners, in this context they were White colonists.
You cannot go to the middle of chicago, say the N-Word, then proclaim you're merely pointing out behaviors such as gang crime and pants-sagging.

Yes it is Semantics. It's literally the meaning of the word according to the Wikipedia article you cited.

Your metaphor is stupid and sets up a false construct. Where is the comparison to Chicago, the N-word, gang crime and "pants sagging" in relation to Agent23 calling Captain X a Mother Fucker in Bulgarian and Captain X replying that he's "taking the fat" in a North American language and then the only source cited in this thread being a Wikipedia article which you failed to read far enough in when it said it now refers to "behaviors" as opposed to you talking about its racial origins.

Like if you can read the Wikipedia entry properly, it literally states that the definition is based on behavior and has no racial component. Your argument was derived from its "origins." And the origin of the N-word which you are comparing it to sure asf has nothing to do with modern day Chicago.

 

[Captain X]

well... while there are multiple sources that say it is...
sources are notorious for copying from each other via circular citation.
And even dictionaries are often wrong.

I will take your word for it.

It would be thoroughly entertaining for someone who just said a day or so ago that it was a good thing that a serious attempt was made to wipe out a language to now lecture me on the finer points of translating it to a member of the tribe which speaks said language.

I mean you also failed to read further as well.

As the Wikipedia Article everyone is using says:

While it commonly refers to white people and the language they speak, the definition is based on behavior, and does not specifically mention skin color or race.

The sheer amount of "difficulty" some people have in reading a single Wikipedia article which consists of two semi-paragraphs and an extra sentence is impressive.

Maybe we can stretch this captivating tangent of the discussion out another two or three pages.

Does someone wanna post the single line about it referring to African-Americans out of context next and state how they didn't read far enough?

It's just a lame attempt at a gotcha. One of them claimed the attempted cultural genocide of Natives was a good thing and the other tried to insult me by comparing me to a Siberian tribe and has repeatedly tried to insult Native Americans as a whole. They know they don't have an actual argument.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Here's a powerful metaphor.

You can go to your non-Black non-Politically Correct friends, call them the N-word based on their affinity for Gangsta Rap music, affection for loose fitting pants and other behaviors. 🤯

But again, you haven't established the direct correlation between whatever this Native American term is with the N-word. I'm going to assume that while Agent23 loves using the N-word and being racist in general he's probably not an expert on Native American languages and like you can't even read a full two semiparagraphs of a Wikipedia entry. But you both seem extremely confident in stating whatever this Native American term is, must be equivalent to one of the most triggering and provocative terms in the American lexicon at the moment.

But like I said before this entire tangent is an incredibly stupid line of discussion whose only merit is mocking those who persist in continuing it... Wait a minute...

 

[mrttao]

It would be thoroughly entertaining for someone who just said a day or so ago that it was a good thing that a serious attempt was made to wipe out a language to now lecture me on the finer points of translating it to a member of the tribe which speaks said language.

You literally quoted me saying I will take your word for it.
How is this lecturing you?

 

[Captain X]

I LITERALLY said I will take your word for it.
How is this lecturing you?

It's not. Where did I claim this? I said it would be pretty entertaining if you did, not that you did.

 

[mrttao]

Wasi'chu - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

"In Lakȟótiyapi, wašin icu means 'takes the fat'"
You just had to read ever so slightly further... No surprise you read only and exactly what fit your narrative.

Wasin Icu != Wasicu
the N was removed and the two words combined, with duplicate i removed as well.
You quoted that line of yours out of context. here is the full quote for context.

In Lakȟótiyapi, wašin icu means "takes the fat".[3] This is believed by many to be the origin of the phrase being applied to non-Natives, notably white people, as they collectively robbed tribes of their resources.[3] Wasicu is currently used in the Lakota language for white people as well as for the English language.[1]

Instead of dishonest misquotes. you should point out that wikipedia is an extremely unreliable source. And that an actual native speaker probably knows better than wikipedia.

 

[Captain X]

Wasin Icu != Wasicu
the N was removed and the two words combined, with duplicate i removed as well.
You quoted that line of yours out of context. here is the full quote for context.

Instead of dishonest misquotes. you should point out that wikipedia is an extremely unreliable source. And that an actual native speaker probably knows better than wikipedia.

Dude, I'm literally Lakota. Also, guess you're giving me that lecture now.

You also said this not that terribly long ago.

America was absolutely right to americanize the indians.
They were vicious murderous barbarians and needed to be brought the light of culture and civilization. And they were.
Even if the indians were not barbarians, it would still be the correct path that any nation which wants to survive should take with its conquered enemies.

 

[Agent23]

It does not literally translate to "white person." It translates to "Those who take the fat." And if he's going to call me a motherfucker in his language, I see nothing wrong with calling him that.

Lol, backtracking.
Also, I have no idea what shitty translation software you are trying to use, but ther does not translate to 'motherfucker'. Just a way to showcase your ignorance.

 

[AmosTrask]

Err. Correct me if I'm wrong. But does Sagging not denote a homosexual prostitute in a prison being available for hire? What does that have to do with Russia committing war crimes.

 

[Captain X]

Lol, backtracking.
Also, I have no idea what shitty translation software you are trying to use, but ther does not translate to 'motherfucker'. Just a way to showcase your ignorance.

You're really one to talk. You literally quoted the part of the article that said the word is a description of behavior and not race or skin color while you crybullied me about using it to describe you.

 

[Agent23]

You're really one to talk. You literally quoted the part of the article that said the word is a description of behavior and not race or skin color while you crybullied me about using it to describe you.

>Calls me white man.
>Claims it is not racist.
Sounds like the world's meaning is used exclusively for one ethnic group.

 

[Captain X]

>Calls me white man.
>Claims it is not racist.
Sounds like the world's meaning is used exclusively for one ethnic group.

It isn't, crybully. We were using that word to call each other assholes long before white people showed up. Meanwhile, what exactly are all the different things you have called me and my people? Do tell.

 

[Cherico]

It isn't, crybully. We were using that word to call each other assholes long before white people showed up. Meanwhile, what exactly are all the different things you have called me and my people? Do tell.

Customers.

Money from some one from a Rez is just as good as any one elses, but then again I tend to think of most people as potential customers.

 

[Agent23]

It isn't, crybully. We were using that word to call each other assholes long before white people showed up. Meanwhile, what exactly are all the different things you have called me and my people? Do tell.

Hey, you are the one who rees at me, then rees racism, or complains when you get called out on your bullshit.
The first line of the definition clearly says white person, then it backtracks, because it looks like thet whatever the intimal meaning was it must be used for white people now.

You are the crybully here, oh descendants of Siberian migrants, and I can call you that because Amerindians are proven to have migrated to the Americas and thet there is nothing native about them, they just did what the evil white man did but earlier and to the neanderthals.

Umless you can point me at your simian ancestors native to the continent.

 

[Captain X]

Hey, you are the one who rees at me, then rees racism, or complains when you get called out on your bullshit.

No, this is entirely projection on your part.

You are the crybully here, oh descendants of Siberian migrants, and I can call you that because Amerindians are proven to have migrated to the Americas and thet there is nothing native about them, they just did what the evil white man did but earlier and to the neanderthals.

Umless you can point me at your simian ancestors native to the continent.

Thanks for making my point for me, crybully.

 

[Agent23]

Thanks for making my point for me, crybully.

I am not crying, and since when is this thing called the truth bullying?

 

[Captain X]

I am not crying, and since when is this thing called the truth bullying?

No, you are crybullying. You bully other people and then cry and pretend to be the victim when they say mean things back to you. Here, you have tried again and again to insult myself and my people based on our race, and yet now you cry because I call you a name in return which has come to be associated with white people. You call me names in your language, and now you cry when I call you a name in mine. Tell you what, while what you called me is just typical middle school bullshit where I come from, wašíču describes entitled people who take the best for themselves. That very much describes you. You embody taking the best for yourself and spitting in the face of those you take it from.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Given that you explicitly endorse the taking of land and resources from Native Americans for not being white, calling you a white thief sounds literally exactly accurate to me. If you’re actually not just trying to be screamy and edgy, you should just own up to being for it.

I mean, your position is exactly the one taken by John Wayne, just less eloquent: the “Indians” were selfish and immoral for existing at all, therefore killing them and taking their things was morally justified because white people “make better use of it".

 

[Agent23]

No, you are crybullying. You bully other people and then cry and pretend to be the victim when they say mean things back to you. Here, you have tried again and again to insult myself and my people based on our race, and yet now you cry because I call you a name in return which has come to be associated with white people. You call me names in your language, and now you cry when I call you a name in mine. Tell you what, while what you called me is just typical middle school bullshit where I come from, wašíču describes entitled people who take the best for themselves. That very much describes you. You embody taking the best for yourself and spitting in the face of those you take it from.

What goes around comes around, you decided to ree because I called you Chukchi and because I said that Chukchi and because I go against the myth thet Amerindians were somehow this noble savage prior to Europeans coming in and loved in total harmony with each-other and nature.
If I remember correctly I got a strike and a temp ban from my old thread which you were spamming at the time.

Turnabout is fair play.

 

[Captain X]

Given that you explicitly endorse the taking of land and resources from Native Americans for not being white, calling you a white thief sounds literally exactly accurate to me. If you’re actually not just trying to be screamy and edgy, you should just own up to being for it.

Where'd he say that at? That would be a pretty rich thing for him to say while whining about I've supposedly wronged him by calling him wašíču.

What goes around comes around, you decided to ree because I called you Chukchi

Actually I found the comparison to be a compliment after I read about that. I cannot help but admire people who held off so many attempts to conquer them, and even were able to kill the commander of one of these invasions and keep his head as a trophy.

and because I said that Chukchi and because I go against the myth thet Amerindians were somehow this noble savage prior to Europeans coming in and loved in total harmony with each-other and nature.
If I remember correctly I got a strike and a temp ban from my old thread which you were spamming at the time.

Which just confirms exactly what I said abut you. You got a strike over it because while I did not find it an insult to be compared to such people, it very clearly was meant as a racial insult toward my people. It's good that you admit to these things rather than pretending they didn't happen - that is the one thing that separates you from the Leftists.