Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

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ATP

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Do you actually know anything of our history, or languag, mamitsata mrusna da ti eba?
I guess not. :D

Here is some spin from the French:


No matter how hard they try to spin this shit the truth is there.
The majority of us do not see Russia as primarily responsible for the Donbass or the SMO situation.

And we are gonna yeet all your Harvard cokeheads back where they belong.
1.I knew.You are turks who want be free from other turks.
Just like ukrainians are slavic people who want be free from other/partially/ slavic people.
If you want be free from turks,you should undarstandt that ukrainians want be free from THEIR turks.

2.Your problem is - you are welcoming as russians,who really saved you from other turks,dudes who replaced real russians - postsoviets.
Those who enslaved your nation after 1944 have NOTHING do do with Russia.Well,they kill it but it is all.
And,current soviet are unable to even conqer smaller and weaker country.
Sralin was genocider,but he,at least,could win on corpses of his soldiers.Putin - not so much.

I undarstandt,that you feel bad and need protector - BUT THERE IS NO PROTECTORS IN OUR WORLD.
Fake russia would not save you,even if they wanted.
The same goes for USA,of course.

You are as bad as naive poles who belive in good USA who would help us in our dark hour.
Well,nobody would help us except God and Holy Mary.
 

Lord Sovereign

The resident Britbong
How about you take your anglo propaganda binders off instead.

...which are?

I mean, the most Anglo propaganda I know is the stuff that builds up Ukraine to be saintly heroes, and this being a battle between good and evil.

I know this to be nonsense. But Ukraine's great crime here lies in wanting to effectively break away from Russia. This is a War for Independence in many respects, and just as it was for the American War of Independence, foreign powers seek to gain influence in it.

It is the way of the world.
 

Agent23

Ни шагу назад!
...which are?
That this isn't just the US using the Ukrainians some other useful idiots to fuck over the EU's economy and make it more dependent for starters.
I mean, the most Anglo propaganda I know is the stuff that builds up Ukraine to be saintly heroes, and this being a battle between good and evil.
Yes, Ukraine is even more corrupt than Russia is, so between that and their neonazi scum it is not a hill to die on.

I mean, any foreign policy realist would think that letting the Russians take all of it would be best because it would stretch them out and the nutjobs in the north-west will be a big problem for them, although any such person would also recognize their interests and grievances, too.
I know this to be nonsense. But Ukraine's great crime here lies in wanting to effectively break away from Russia. This is a War for Independence in many respects, and just as it was for the American War of Independence, foreign powers seek to gain influence in it.
I have covered my views on the state formation, state structure and ethnic relations within Ukraine and their ruling class's thirst for Eurobucks.
As well as my various other economic concerns and how expansion of the EU begets more dictats from Brussels and more eager satraps to vote for their shit.
It is the way of the world.
No, it is your understanding of the geopolitics and economics of it, they are flawed and colored by the usual British animosity towards the Russians as well as the fact that you Englanders and your ruling class/governmnet are the Americans' eager mutt which occasionally tries to influence them.

Also, your banking cartels and resource extraction industries and all of the Oligarchs that own overpriced shit in London and whose money you launder(services you provide to our own Oligarchs and Ruling Class, btw, and who you helped by pushing neoliberal shit like hurr-durr privatize anything without thinking so that our new buddies can buy it for pennies and immediately resell it) are really pissed that Putin took away their ability to interfere in politics and some of their incomes, consequently, they have been using their money to influence British media.

Then again, it is called Perfidious Albion for a reason.

Also, Englander, here is the thing, your constant interference both slowed down the process of our National Revival and liberation from the Ottomans and afterwards the revisions you forced to the Treaty of San Stefano at the Berlin Congress reduced my country to under a third of what it should have been and let the other scum on the Balkans ethnically cleanse, or forcibly assimilate or outright force out hundreds of thousands of ethnic Bulgarians and keep us as vassals to the Porte.

It was your bullshit that deducted at least a hundred years of development for us because of what you did during the Crimean war, and how you broke us apart and fucked us over with the help of our skummy neighbours which led to Two National catastrophes, and millions of Bulgarians dying and all the blood and treasure we had to waste merely for a few small scraps of what we were supposed to get, all the while you were aiding the Turks in fucking us over.
Oh, and I am just getting started on the World Wars and the other shit you pulled against us.
Like for example when we, as non-pareticulating Axis member and the only country that saved its Jewish population in Europe and that provided nothing of significance to the Krauts got bombed by you because that obese, drunk fuck decided thet we "must pay".
And after all of that you have the fucking gall to try and tell us who our friends and our enemies are and how we should conduct our foreign policy and what our national I terests are?!??

You will never, ever be our friends and I for one await the day when your island is carved up and the various people you conquered are free and sovereign in their own Larger Ireland, Wales, Scotland and perhaps a London City State, and you are all broke and your streets are as "calm" as those of an average middle east country.
 
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Captain X

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Osaul
Do you actually know anything of our history, or languag, mamitsata mrusna da ti eba?
I guess not. :D

Here is some spin from the French:


No matter how hard they try to spin this shit the truth is there.
The majority of us do not see Russia as primarily responsible for the Donbass or the SMO situation.

And we are gonna yeet all your Harvard cokeheads back where they belong.
Seethe harder, wašíču.
 

Agent23

Ни шагу назад!
Seethe harder, wašíču.
White person, eh?

Wašíču (Lakȟótiyapi) or waṡicu (Dakhótiyapi) is the Siouan word for "white person",[1] "white man",[2] or "non-Indian."[3] It expresses the Indigenous population's perception of non-Natives' relationship with the land and the Indigenous peoples. While it commonly refers to white people[4] and the language they speak, the definition is based on behavior, and does not specifically mention skin color or race.[5]

Humm, hey, @Abhorsen , is this supposed to be racism?

I mean, if the N-word is supposed to be verboten, so this guy using my ethnicity as a slur should be as well, no?

Anyways, back to your little quip, oh fellow descendant of Siberians, but we Bulgarians see ourselves as Asian. :ROFLMAO:
:sneaky:
 
White person, eh?



Humm, hey, @Abhorsen , is this supposed to be racism?

I mean, if the N-word is supposed to be verboten, so this guy using my ethnicity as a slur should be as well, no?

Anyways, back to your little quip, oh fellow descendant of Siberians, but we Bulgarians see ourselves as Asian. :ROFLMAO:
:sneaky:

Yeah @Captain X I get along with Agent about as well as oil does with water but he's got a point.
 

Captain X

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Osaul
It's right there where he quoted that it does not specifically refer to race or skin color, rather to behavior. He then followed it up by doing something he's already done before by taking jabs at my race. So who's the racist here?
 

mrttao

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It's right there where he quoted that it does not specifically refer to race or skin color, rather to behavior. He then followed it up by doing something he's already done before by taking jabs at my race. So who's the racist here?
People often use N-word to describe behavior instead of race. just take a casual look at 4-chan. Yet it is still a racist slur. Because racists view that race as inferior, and thus "behaves like race X" is a slur to them.

Likewise, calling someone a "white person" (literal translation) as a slur to indicate their behavior is that of a white person... still rather racist.

I am not offended mind you. I just find it hypocritical.
 

Captain X

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Osaul
People often use N-word to describe behavior instead of race. just take a casual look at 4-chan. Yet it is still a racist slur

Likewise, calling someone a "white person" (literal translation) as a slur to indicate their behavior is that of a white person... still rather racist.
It does not literally translate to "white person." It translates to "Those who take the fat." And if he's going to call me a motherfucker in his language, I see nothing wrong with calling him that.
 

AmosTrask

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It does not literally translate to "white person." It translates to "Those who take the fat." And if he's going to call me a motherfucker in his language, I see nothing wrong with calling him that.
Err. I'm pretty sure that means whale fucker. Or someone who prefers morbidly obese women? It could be region dependent. I only have half remembered memories of fascination with Native American cultures when I was younger. As the books I read were written by Caucasian authors from the 80's and older, some of whom have since been discredited for poor research. I can't be sure my memories are correct.
 

mrttao

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It does not literally translate to "white person." It translates to "Those who take the fat." And if he's going to call me a motherfucker in his language, I see nothing wrong with calling him that.
well... while there are multiple sources that say it is...
sources are notorious for copying from each other via circular citation.
And even dictionaries are often wrong.

I will take your word for it.
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
Founder


Sholz saying out loud what most understood; the only way for negoiatations to happen is for Russia to withdraw it's troops, and the West will not force compromises on Ukraine.
 

mrttao

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Sholz saying out loud what most understood; the only way for negoiatations to happen is for Russia to withdraw it's troops, and the West will not force compromises on Ukraine.

didn't they say there would be no negotiations with putin?
only when putin is dead and a new government takes over in russia would negotiations be allowed?
I distinctly remember this being a thing.
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
Founder
didn't they say there would be no negotiations with putin?
only when putin is dead and a new government takes over in russia would negotiations be allowed?
I distinctly remember this being a thing.
There have been things to that effect, though less from official channels; what this means is that Germany understand the conflict can only begin to end with Russian troops leaving Ukraine's soil, because until they do, Ukraine is perfectly justified in blowing the shit out of Russian military infrastrute east of the Urals and south of Karelia.
 

Megadeath

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White person, eh?



Humm, hey, @Abhorsen , is this supposed to be racism?

I mean, if the N-word is supposed to be verboten, so this guy using my ethnicity as a slur should be as well, no?

Anyways, back to your little quip, oh fellow descendant of Siberians, but we Bulgarians see ourselves as Asian. :ROFLMAO:
:sneaky:
"In Lakȟótiyapi, wašin icu means 'takes the fat'"
You just had to read ever so slightly further... No surprise you read only and exactly what fit your narrative.
 

ThatZenoGuy

Zealous Evolutionary Nano Organism
Comrade
"In Lakȟótiyapi, wašin icu means 'takes the fat'"
You just had to read ever so slightly further... No surprise you read only and exactly what fit your narrative.
I mean you failed to read further as well.

"This is believed by many to be the origin of the phrase being applied to non-Natives, notably white people, as they collectively robbed tribes of their resources"
Basically means "White Thief" in context.
 

Megadeath

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I mean you failed to read further as well.

"This is believed by many to be the origin of the phrase being applied to non-Natives, notably white people, as they collectively robbed tribes of their resources"
Basically means "White Thief" in context.
No, I read that. But that doesn't change what it literally means. In the context of responding to a far worse insult, I hardly think the fact that it's commonly used to insult white people is particularly significant.
 

ThatZenoGuy

Zealous Evolutionary Nano Organism
Comrade
No, I read that. But that doesn't change what it literally means. In the context of responding to a far worse insult, I hardly think the fact that it's commonly used to insult white people is particularly significant.
There's countless words which have mundane definitions but are used as severe slurs.
The famed N-Word is just the word black in a couple of languages, just spelt slightly different.
 

Husky_Khan

The Dog Whistler... I mean Whisperer.
Founder
I mean you failed to read further as well.

"This is believed by many to be the origin of the phrase being applied to non-Natives, notably white people, as they collectively robbed tribes of their resources"
Basically means "White Thief" in context.

I mean you also failed to read further as well.

As the Wikipedia Article everyone is using says:

While it commonly refers to white people and the language they speak, the definition is based on behavior, and does not specifically mention skin color or race.

The sheer amount of "difficulty" some people have in reading a single Wikipedia article which consists of two semi-paragraphs and an extra sentence is impressive.

Maybe we can stretch this captivating tangent of the discussion out another two or three pages.

Does someone wanna post the single line about it referring to African-Americans out of context next and state how they didn't read far enough?
 

ThatZenoGuy

Zealous Evolutionary Nano Organism
Comrade
I mean you also failed to read further as well.

As the Wikipedia Article everyone is using says:

While it commonly refers to white people and the language they speak, the definition is based on behavior, and does not specifically mention skin color or race.

The sheer amount of "difficulty" some people have in reading a single Wikipedia article which consists of two semi-paragraphs and an extra sentence is impressive.
Semantics, the behavior was coming from one group of people specifically, foreigners, in this context they were White colonists.
You cannot go to the middle of chicago, say the N-Word, then proclaim you're merely pointing out behaviors such as gang crime and pants-sagging.
 
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