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Buba

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Sounds about right that's how the russian army operates in general since the time of the czars.
Up to the XVIIIth century everybody operated that way. During the XIXth most European armies stopped behaving like that at home, keeping the massacres, rape and reaving to the non-white colonies.
The Russians/Soviets stuck to the Old Ways ...
 
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mrttao

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So I point out that the real problem is the people who keep stealing our money NO MATTER WHAT and you are still insisting that Ukraine is the problem? lol
lies upon lies.
1. you didn't "point out" that real problem. You excused this case of theft

2. you are lying, claiming that "mrttao insists ukraine is the problem".
I explicitly said all of the theft the govt does from me is a problem.
I explicitly linked to citations showing me complaining about inflation in the past in other threads without any mention of ukraine.

You are the liar who keeps on insisting that I am only having issue with this ukraine based theft the govt is doing.

Govt steal my money and either give it to other people, or launder it via gibs programs to steal into their own pockets. This happens all the time, I oppose to it.

I refuse to kowtow to your demand that I let it slide this time.
I refuse your narrative that I am only opposed to this one time because "you are a vatnik" and am usually happy to be stolen from.
I am always upset at their theft.
 

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Meet one of China's top Field Marshalls Mao's illiterate, slow, possibly mentally handicapped grandson. Officially head of War Theory of the PLA War College. Commander of Overseas military deployments with 10,000 active soldiers from Africa to the Americas both overt and hidden military and police stations masquerading as local businesses and "Cultural Centers."


I can't stop laughing. This is the same problem the Russian Empire and the twilight of the Qing had. Corruption, nepotism and hereditary military and government positions.
 
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@History Learner having read your post in the last few pages carrying out the standard deflection and condemnation tactics Vatniks and the 50 Cent Army excel in I'm going to assume you're either shitposting in the best case. Or actually serious in the worst case. Either way I'm going to ignore you going forward until proven otherwise
"I'm going to ignore you so much I made a post about ignoring you, because I wanted you to know I'm ignoring you."

Umm most Americans rapes are men raping women, bad but not as bad as the Russians where the problem is men raping other men. That is much worse for multiple reasons.
That there are levels to rape is certainly an interesting hot take. Interestingly, I've yet to see anyone actually post any data to show this is actually that big of an issue in the Russian Army; it's basically a guess of saying it exists and then emphatically pointing to the self claim of it as being such.
 
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That there are levels to rape is certainly an interesting hot take. Interestingly, I've yet to see anyone actually post any data to show this is actually that big of an issue in the Russian Army; it's basically a guess of saying it exists and then emphatically pointing to the self claim of it as being such.
Are you not familar with the concept of "rape, pillage, and burn"? That's what we do when we aren't being civilzed and telling the laws of war to go fuck themselves when we're being nice and polite about "Oh no, you just didn't".
 

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Are you not familar with the concept of "rape, pillage, and burn"? That's what we do when we aren't being civilzed and telling the laws of war to go fuck themselves when we're being nice and polite about "Oh no, you just didn't".
that is not really replying to what he said.

king arts said the russians are worse than americans. because russian military rapes men, while american military rapes women.

History learner replied that rape is rape, that there is no "better" or "worse" rape. He was directly addressing what he quoted.

You replied to history learner with the above. this has nothing to do with what you quoted.
 

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Are you not familar with the concept of "rape, pillage, and burn"? That's what we do when we aren't being civilzed and telling the laws of war to go fuck themselves when we're being nice and polite about "Oh no, you just didn't".
Indeed, hence why I'm asking for objective evidence this is actually occurring.
 

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What's interesting is this rationale was not used to justify the invasion in the lead up to it nor does it appear in the planning documents. Officially, it only occurred because Iraq presented a threat to the national security of the United States by having WMDs...sound familiar, given the Russian position on NATO membership for Ukraine and biolabs schtick from earlier this year?
I suspect that this rationale might have found more support among the American people than among the US government in the run-up to the invasion. Along with of course arguments that the sanctions regime was only punishing the Iraqi people and that it's thus time for a changed approach to Iraq.
 

mrttao

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What's interesting is this rationale was not used to justify the invasion in the lead up to it nor does it appear in the planning documents. Officially, it only occurred because Iraq presented a threat to the national security of the United States by having WMDs...sound familiar, given the Russian position on NATO membership for Ukraine and biolabs schtick from earlier this year?
To be fair. Iraq did.
They had chemical weapons, biological weapons, and uranium that was enriched to halfway between powerplant and bomb levels. (bomb requires uranium enriched to a much higher level).

The fake news media insisted that no WMDs of any sort were found. which was just blatant lies.
That said. the USA just made a huge mess there.
 

mrttao

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Meet one of China's top Field Marshalls Mao's illiterate, slow, possibly mentally handicapped grandson. Officially head of War Theory of the PLA War College. Commander of Overseas military deployments with 10,000 active soldiers from Africa to the Americas both overt and hidden military and police stations masquerading as local businesses and "Cultural Centers."


I can't stop laughing. This is the same problem the Russian Empire and the twilight of the Qing had. Corruption, nepotism and hereditary military and government positions.
The united states is in the beginning stages of this too. Not nearly as bad as china mind you. but its getting there.

See hunter biden. Their ministry of truth attempt. Their FBI harassment of detractors. etc.
If they are not stopped than in a few decades we will have as bad a level of nepotism and corruption.
 

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That there are levels to rape is certainly an interesting hot take. Interestingly, I've yet to see anyone actually post any data to show this is actually that big of an issue in the Russian Army; it's basically a guess of saying it exists and then emphatically pointing to the self claim of it as being such.
Unlike America the Russians seem to sweep things under the rug and not fix it but we know it happens we’ve heard stories there are pics and the fucking drone video.

that is not really replying to what he said.

king arts said the russians are worse than americans. because russian military rapes men, while american military rapes women.

History learner replied that rape is rape, that there is no "better" or "worse" rape. He was directly addressing what he quoted.

You replied to history learner with the above. this has nothing to do with what you quoted.
Umm first off no not all rapes are equal or are you saying that kidnapping a child and using the child is the same as going to a college party and sleeping with a completely drunk out of it grown woman? There are many reasons gay rapes are worse than straight ones, but even beyond that there is the argument that the US Army over reported its rapes as you could argue that most of what happens in the US is sexual harassment not rape. It’s not good but it’s definitely not a monstrous act like forced sex against your will. So maybe the US is over reacting and the army does not have a serious problem.
 

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Unlike America the Russians seem to sweep things under the rug and not fix it but we know it happens we’ve heard stories there are pics and the fucking drone video.


Umm first off no not all rapes are equal or are you saying that kidnapping a child and using the child is the same as going to a college party and sleeping with a completely drunk out of it grown woman? There are many reasons gay rapes are worse than straight ones, but even beyond that there is the argument that the US Army over reported its rapes as you could argue that most of what happens in the US is sexual harassment not rape. It’s not good but it’s definitely not a monstrous act like forced sex against your will. So maybe the US is over reacting and the army does not have a serious problem.
Eh, we definitely under report not over but we report the numbers not inflate or deflate them.
People just don't report.

For the Army Sexual Assault cam be unwanted touches in private areas and cam be up for argument.

Harrasmemts at times cam be considered assault by some people but Harrasment is more common yes.
 

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Umm first off no not all rapes are equal or are you saying that kidnapping a child and using the child
facepalm.
double facepalm

which part of "X said Y" did you not understand?
I didn't say Y, I explicitly attributed that statement to someone else.
 

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Dedovshchina or in English Rule of the Grandfathers is how Russia traditionally enforced hierarchy in the army.

According to the Russian JAG equivalent ministry In 2019 alone 51,200 Human Rights violation cases, 1520 rapes of lower enlisted or conscripts and cases of forced prostitution. For example; Ramil Shamsutdinov shot ten of his colleagues at a Gorny military base, 8 of them fatally. In court, he alleged that he was subjected to beatings and threats of anal rape.

The majority of these crimes are perpetrated by older or higher ranked men on the newly enlisted men in a country that has supposedly, "eliminated the disease of (I won't say the word Putin used its a really bad word for homosexuals) the West has infected Russia with!"
 
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