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Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

Cherico

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Indeed, and this is one of the reasons why I've taken a Pro-Russia stance. I get Pro Ukraine Leftists, because at least that tends to have a cohesive world view, but Western Conservatives/Rightists doing so makes no sense unless they're a Boomer unwilling to move past the Cold War. The litmus test for me was, why are Hillary Clinton, George Soros, etc all backing Ukraine and against Russia? I've never seen a plausible argument against that, and was all I needed to see for bias confirmation in of itself.

If the people who hate me and want my demise are supporting something, and putting a lot of money into it too, then it is only natural to take the opposite side to fuck with them.
Its easy to get when you think of it in cold real politic terms.

Russia has been a pain in america's ass since the communist revolution (Before that we actually got along pretty decently) This is a chance to fuck with a rival on the cheap.
 

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You're not wrong; Russian contacts/friends keep sending me random Confederate flag pictures (Joke playing on the Novorossiya flag), meanwhile Ukrainian propaganda at the trench level has things like "Ukraine to the Urals" floating around. Eastern Europe is a magical place lol.
My big sis Euphie has an actual Confederate battle flag which was captured in 1864 and mailed to our great-great-great grandmother. The "Lightning Brigade" did not fuck around.
 

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My big sis Euphie has an actual Confederate battle flag which was captured in 1864 and mailed to our great-great-great grandmother. The "Lightning Brigade" did not fuck around.
Entirely possible our ancestors shot at each other then; me and @Cherico realized this last year I think, figuring out which of our ancestors was in which formations lol.
 

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Its easy to get when you think of it in cold real politic terms.

Russia has been a pain in america's ass since the communist revolution (Before that we actually got along pretty decently) This is a chance to fuck with a rival on the cheap.
I'm a foreign policy realist generally speaking, so I get the strategic motivations. The plan going into this was, objectively speaking, sound in theory but in execution it's been bungled in the last few months and we're starting to get blowback. Outside of that, American Rightists need to realize the only way we're going to win is by coming to the conclusion the foreign policy successes of the current regime are not our foreign policy successes on the whole.

I can expand upon the former, if you wish? I had considered doing a long form write up on here for awhile, but especially recently I've connected a lot of the dots. I even found myself agreeing with Zeihan on some points, given what I've discovered or found out from contacts.
 

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It's hilarious that some of you continue to be this meme:
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What's funny is that the Soviets also invaded and bombed Poland at the same time as the Nazis, but since they became our allies against them, everyone just conveniently overlooked that fact until well after the war was over.
 

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What's funny is that the Soviets also invaded and bombed Poland at the same time as the Nazis, but since they became our allies against them, everyone just conveniently overlooked that fact until well after the war was over.
Almost three weeks later. In spite of being treaty bound to do it inside a week or so after the Germans attacked.
And it was in large part overlooked from Day One, as the Western Powers hoped for a Soviet-Nazi War. Which finally did happen and FDR flooded the world with this:
 

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That's rich.

Chamberlain bowing to Hitler was basically an "everything got chopped off" eunuch letting a spoiled brat who isn't and can't be his run amok while he's babysitting.

Were the UK and France ready? No. Was Germany prepared at the time? You must be joking.

You do not go to war with the military you want. You go to war the military you have and it is almost always inadaquate in many ways.
 

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But you absolutely made excuses for them. Specifically the excuse that they would be stealing our money regardless. Which is a shit defense
So I point out that the real problem is the people who keep stealing our money NO MATTER WHAT and you are still insisting that Ukraine is the problem? lol

@History Learner having read your post in the last few pages carrying out the standard deflection and condemnation tactics Vatniks and the 50 Cent Army excel in I'm going to assume you're either shitposting in the best case. Or actually serious in the worst case. Either way I'm going to ignore you going forward until proven otherwise
correct

I can expand upon the former, if you wish? I had considered doing a long form write up on here for awhile, but especially recently I've connected a lot of the dots. I even found myself agreeing with Zeihan on some points, given what I've discovered or found out from contacts.
You have NO IDEA how much I want to see this. Please. PLEASE. PLEASE
 
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