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LordsFire

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They do, and their justification is "because". That's what the whole Epic Games lawsuit is about. Apple (and Google) both take a cut of both app purchase and subscriptions. That's why some apps require you to do subscription stuff through a web page rather than the app itself - to avoid that cut.

So, got a source on that?
 

The Whispering Monk

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Apple somehow skimming off 30-40% of a subscription fee? How would they make that happen at all, much less justify it?
What @Flintsteel said. Apple does it b/c they can. 30% for any company that generates over $1,000,000 in fees, 15% below that.

No other way to sell apps on I-product lines. Since they have over 50% of cell phone market share in the US...it's a stupid amount of control.

Their stance in China recently is why I'll never have another Apple product in my house again.
 

LordsFire

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What @Flintsteel said. Apple does it b/c they can. 30% for any company that generates over $1,000,000 in fees, 15% below that.

No other way to sell apps on I-product lines. Since they have over 50% of cell phone market share in the US...it's a stupid amount of control.

Their stance in China recently is why I'll never have another Apple product in my house again.

...I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how companies don't just run things through a separate webpage to process it, so Apple can't skim 30%.
 

The Whispering Monk

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...I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how companies don't just run things through a separate webpage to process it, so Apple can't skim 30%.
It eats the initial moneys b/c they have to use the Appstore to put the app on their phones. The follow on money gets eatin IFF the companies don't setup that webpage like you're talking about.
 

LordsFire

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It eats the initial moneys b/c they have to use the Appstore to put the app on their phones. The follow on money gets eatin IFF the companies don't setup that webpage like you're talking about.

That makes sense. What I don't understand is why any sizeable company wouldn't immediately set up such a web-page. It's literally a minimum of 150,000 dollars a year.

I haven't worked web development in more than twenty years, and I'd figure out how to do that shit for you if you paid me 150,000.
 

Marduk

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They do, and their justification is "because". That's what the whole Epic Games lawsuit is about. Apple (and Google) both take a cut of both app purchase and subscriptions. That's why some apps require you to do subscription stuff through a web page rather than the app itself - to avoid that cut.
The differences are that Google tolerates use of 3rd party payment apps, and also allows manual downloading and installation without involving the official store, even if it's somewhat less convenient for the typical user, so they are much less dickish than Apple, with the bonus that they can use Apple as their cover for both PR and legal challenges to such practices - after all, as long as no one nukes Apple for it, they can feel perfectly safe.
...I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how companies don't just run things through a separate webpage to process it, so Apple can't skim 30%.
If i remember correctly Epic's drama with Apple was about their attempt to do something like that for their game microtransactions using their own payment system, because they didn't feel like giving Apple a piece of their Fortnite money.
Even a judge saw a problem with this.
 

Flintsteel

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So, got a source on that?
...in the tech world this is literally common knowledge. As in, listed on the Wikipedia page common.

...I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how companies don't just run things through a separate webpage to process it, so Apple can't skim 30%.
Because that's not allowed. Doing that is exactly why Apple banned Fortnight back in 2020.
 

Bear Ribs

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That makes sense. What I don't understand is why any sizeable company wouldn't immediately set up such a web-page. It's literally a minimum of 150,000 dollars a year.

I haven't worked web development in more than twenty years, and I'd figure out how to do that shit for you if you paid me 150,000.
Apple's TOS forbids it, and they will ban your app if you try.

There was a major lawsuit between Apple and Epic Games a while back over Epic allowing people to make Fortnite premium purchases through the Epic Store instead of through Apple and thus bypassing Apple's 30% charge.

 

Cherico

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Wow. I hadn't even considered it, but apparently my opinion of Apple can drop even lower.

Apple doubled down on china after every single fuck up there and now their company is directly tied to an increasingly unstable regime. Their a dead company walking right now so karma is hitting them.
 

Cherico

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This was kind of envitable.

Lets face facts, Poland was partitioned by Russia, Germany and Austria, The russians were cruel masters during this period of time. Then when they got their independence back after a century of darkness (from their perspective) The Russian communist army invaded fucking again. And once again tried to take away their freedom (They won.)

Then the Russians allied with the fucking Nazi's to partition the country yet again and the only reason they fought the germans was because the nazi's backstabbed them. In the aftermath of this the Russians captured Polish patriots and tortured them to death in gulags, their army also raped and committed war crimes on the path to going after germany.

Once the war was over they turned the country into a brutal puppet state and treated poland like a colony. This was pretty god awful for them. Then finally the Russians leave because they mismanaged themselves into semi oblivion. The poles then Joined nato and the EU sacerficing economic prosperity in exchange for the promise that that shit would never happen again.

There was pretty much no fucking way those monuments were staying up, were talking centuries of bad blood here the moment they thought they could realistically get away with it those monuments were going down. And most countries would do the same thing if they were put in the same situation.
 

planefag

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No, the nazies entire thing was being extreme anti communists.

Yeah they hated the Communists soooo much that they formed a fucking military alliance with them. Wow. So hate. Much extreme. Very anti-communist.

It's really incredible how effective decades of nonstop propaganda has been at making people forget that the national socialists and the international socialists were still both fucking socialists.
 

The Whispering Monk

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Osaul
What stance are you referring to?

Is it the slave labor sweatshops?
Their endorsement of slave labor is a big factor.

However, Apple has actively cooperated with the CCP to ensure that the 'resistance' can not communicate effectively. Apple has disabled several features for all of their products within China that enable communication outside of government monitored channels.
 
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