United States Trump v Kamala Harris 2024

[IndyFront]

Then there is the fact that Trump's percentage is still 49.82 meaning he is only barely off that mark to the point it is barely worth mentioning, if he had like 36.91 percent amid an extremely heavily split vote between three or four equally low preforming candidates, I would agree it isn't a great sign, but it isn't that severe.

Also the fact that the Democrats like to steal votes from Greens and Libertarians with faulty voting machines among other things

 

[Robovski]

The election was a month ago and yet the counting just seems to never stop until a Democrat wins something.

 

[Bigking321]

The election was a month ago and yet the counting just seems to never stop until a Democrat winds something.

Almost makes you think something like fraud is happening.

But that would be silly. It always takes weeks to count ballots in areas controlled by dems that somehow have just enough votes show up for the Democrat to barely win.

 

[TyrantTriumphant]

It really is fascinating how the longer it takes to count ballots in an election, the more likely the race is to go to the Democrats.

Every single time.

 

[Rocinante]

*SNORT*

Boromir "Yes the Hobbits walked into Mordor but there was nothing 'simple' about it so my point stands!"

The fact is that Trump won the majority of votes by any metrics that actually matters, he won the 'majority' not of the total votes cast nationally in which case you are quiet correct he did not, but the majority of votes cast among candidates in general and that is what actually matters, it's not unnatural or even a bad sign in most cases for this to happen unless the vote is insanely split although it is less than ideal, in fact it has happened with little fanfare a total of fourteen times during the course of our nation's history, we are no stranger to it and it has been a growing trend with the spread of polarization, the rise of the internet and the increasing popularities of third parties bought about by it.

Then there is the fact that Trump's percentage is still 49.82% meaning he is only barely off that mark by 0.018% to the point it is barely worth mentioning, if he had like 36.91% percent amid an extremely heavily split vote between three or four equally low preforming candidates, I would agree it isn't a great sign, but it isn't that severe.

This is a good point, but I have a better one to counter Soli's trolling:

Trump won the POPULAR VOTE, which is what people were excited about.

He still has 3 million votes more than Kamala. That popular vote mandate still exists.

The left can't use the "electoral college is broken" excuse this time, because Trump won the popular vote too.

What soli is arguing about? Nobody fucking cares about.

 

[Vyor]

Considering RFK dropped out and endorsed Trump, you can safely add the votes for him to Trump, which would push him over 50% again.

 

[Skallagrim]

What soli is arguing about? Nobody fucking cares about.

A statement applicable to everything he ever says.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

If you're wondering why Democrats couldn't appeal to men despite actually trying to:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Infographics/s/PxJ0F8LrrW

Democratic women consider themselves more feminine than Democratic men consider themselves masculine.

No wonder they were doomed. They are a party that stigmatized a quarter to half of the population for literally no rational reason.

 

[Rocinante]

If you're wondering why Democrats couldn't appeal to men despite actually trying to:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Infographics/s/PxJ0F8LrrW

Democratic women consider themselves more feminine than Democratic men consider themselves masculine.

No wonder they were doomed. They are a party that stigmatized a quarter to half of the population for literally no rational reason.

I mean, in their attempt to appeal to masculine men they picked some fruit loop who skips around on stage and has feminine mannerisms. Tim Walz did not appear masculine to a single masculine man, and he was supposed to be their new type of masculinity.

Meanwhile Trump trotted out people like Hulk Hogan, Kid Rock and Dana White, picked a VP who talks about single cat ladies and isn't part of a party who has been calling masculinity toxic for the last decade.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Meanwhile Trump trotted out people like Hulk Hogan, Kid Rock and Dana White, picked a VP who talks about single cat ladies and isn't part of a party who has been calling masculinity toxic for the last decade.

Far more importantly, he had soldiers and businessmen on his side. People who have achieved a lot in both avenues that men respect- business and the military.

The only thing he needed to win the majority vote was scientists and working class men.

 

[Rocinante]

Far more importantly, he had soldiers and businessmen on his side. People who have achieved a lot in both avenues that men respect- business and the military.

The only thing he needed to win the majority vote was scientists and working class men.

Trump won the popular vote, and swept rust belt. He had the working class vote in the bag.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Trump won the popular vote, and swept rust belt. He had the working class vote in the bag.

He didn't win the majority. Because you can never, ever have too many votes. Especially in a polarized election where both sides will try everything to deny the other's legitimacy.

 

[Rocinante]

He didn't win the majority. Because you can never, ever have too many votes. Especially in a polarized election where both sides will try everything to deny the other's legitimacy.

No one cares.

He won the popular vote and the election, therefore they can't say "the electoral system is broken because he lost the popular vote and won the election!" That argument doesn't work this time because he won both. By millions of votes.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

No one cares.

He won the popular vote and the election, therefore they can't say "the electoral system is broken because he lost the popular vote and won the election!" That argument doesn't work this time because he won both. By millions of votes.

And as I said, you can NEVER have too many votes. Such a thing does not exist.

 

[Rocinante]

And as I said, you can NEVER have too many votes. Such a thing does not exist.

I certainly agree that you can't have too many votes, but you've been going on for days about how he didn't win the majority. That's not very important, though. What people care about is popular vote. Which he won by millions.

He swept every swing state and won popular vote by millions. This was a landslide. The fact that he had a plurality instead of a majority because there were 4-5 other people running doesn't really matter. Especially when you consider a lot of those votes were for RFK and probably would have went to Trump if RFK wasn't on the ballot.

You keep acting like this is some big deal that takes steam out of his mandate, but it really doesn't. Very few people care about the total majority vote. It all boils down to the fact that he got millions more votes than the runner up.

If I'm being honest, this is why you get called a troll. Its almost like you're trying to find reasons to play down his victory and then convince others to go along with it.

Fact is, this election was a blowout, and I can't figure out why you've been so set on downplaying it since it happened.

 

[IndyFront]

I certainly agree that you can't have too many votes, but you've been going on for days about how he didn't win the majority. That's not very important, though. What people care about is popular vote. Which he won by millions.

He swept every swing state and won popular vote by millions. This was a landslide. The fact that he had a plurality instead of a majority because there were 4-5 other people running doesn't really matter. Especially when you consider a lot of those votes were for RFK and probably would have went to Trump if RFK wasn't on the ballot.

You keep acting like this is some big deal that takes steam out of his mandate, but it really doesn't. Very few people care about the total majority vote. It all boils down to the fact that he got millions more votes than the runner up.

If I'm being honest, this is why you get called a troll. Its almost like you're trying to find reasons to play down his victory and then convince others to go along with it.

Fact is, this election was a blowout, and I can't figure out why you've been so set on downplaying it since it happened.

Even if the Democrats were to come back and edge out the popular vote later, it is irrelevant, because on election day Trump won by approximately 2.5 million voters, lol

 

[Bacle]

I certainly agree that you can't have too many votes, but you've been going on for days about how he didn't win the majority. That's not very important, though. What people care about is popular vote. Which he won by millions.

He swept every swing state and won popular vote by millions. This was a landslide. The fact that he had a plurality instead of a majority because there were 4-5 other people running doesn't really matter. Especially when you consider a lot of those votes were for RFK and probably would have went to Trump if RFK wasn't on the ballot.

You keep acting like this is some big deal that takes steam out of his mandate, but it really doesn't. Very few people care about the total majority vote. It all boils down to the fact that he got millions more votes than the runner up.

If I'm being honest, this is why you get called a troll. Its almost like you're trying to find reasons to play down his victory and then convince others to go along with it.

Fact is, this election was a blowout, and I can't figure out why you've been so set on downplaying it since it happened.

He wants to try to throw shade on anything Trump supporters find good or worthwhile, while attempting to disrupt any political thread with trolling, and then plays dumb about many things.

I bet if someone ran an IP trace on Soli, and on some lefty accounts on SB, SV, or FiC, we'd find he's one of their lefty posters here under a disguise, just trying to drive people away from this forum with his trolling.

 

[Rocinante]

He wants to try to throw shade on anything Trump supporters find good or worthwhile, while attempting to disrupt any political thread with trolling, and then plays dumb about many things.

I bet if someone ran an IP trace on Soli, and on some lefty accounts on SB, SV, or FiC, we'd find he's one of their lefty posters here under a disguise, just trying to drive people away from this forum with his trolling.

You may be right because some of the stances I have seen him take seem more like an imagined up stance that a lefty who doesn't understand conservatives might assume conservatives have.

Like when they try to understand how conservatives think, but are actually pretty off base... that's how some of his stances come off.

 

[Bacle]

You may be right because some of the stances I have seen him take seem more like an imagined up stance that a lefty who doesn't understand conservatives might assume conservatives have.

Like when they try to understand how conservatives think, but are actually pretty off base... that's how some of his stances come off.

Absolutely correct.

Soli shows only a surface level, and semi-Lefty-projection, view of 'conservatives', which is something I saw regularly on SB amd SV.

It's also why I don't think he's Bryan in a disguise, because even Bryan would not have some of these delusions about how conservatives/Trump supporters actually think.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

certainly agree that you can't have too many votes, but you've been going on for days about how he didn't win the majority

Because I've been worried about the popular vote for a while now. Getting the EC is good news by itself, but winning the popular mandate is a really big deal. No Republican President has won the full 50% since Bush Sr*, and he was just coasting on Reagan's inertia.

If a Republican can win the popular vote, then it means something has really changed in the political culture of the country. It means that what I'd assumed was an inevitable fall into Latin Americanism could not just be averted, but actually reversed.

And that's why I've been figuratively pacing over every single fraction of a percent. A single term President can be just a mirage, but a 51% isn't.

*yes, I'm not counting Jr. The only reason he won it was because of the Iraq War, and we know how THAT went.