United States Trump v Kamala Harris 2024

water from Colorado
Aren't there TWO rivers of that name?
And rather close to one another, unlike the TWO Red Rivers?
My USA geography is sketchy, though ...

I humbly suggest that Akransaw secced from the South and join the Midwest, which simplify many problems :)
 
This thread isn't about a civil war or a national divorce!
Is that clear? Anyone who furthers this derail about the topic of National Divorce or a theoretical Civil War (Really? Already?) will be given a weeklong threadban!

Now I know that may sound harsh, but we are clamping down on this now as opposed to letting it become a problem later, you all know what a derail is, and we have threads elsewhere for this stuff.

Also keep in mind that prophecy can be self-fulfilling, you do nothing but worry about the worse and sometimes the worse will happen.

Understand? Yes? Good!
 
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I get why someone looking for a parallel would see it here, but it seems like a stretch. Biden was at the top of his own ticket, not a no-hope third party's. The Republican ticket is unchanged, unless you want to count a potential cabinet pick.
I'm talking only about stealing the media narrative, RFK was a third party but at certain points in the last year he had 20% of the youth vote. Trump has been getting his ass kicked in the media narrative, nothing he does has seemed to take back him being able to dictate it and everyone has been waiting to see how he pushes back and gains some semblance of control here. We'll see how the week plays out but this seems to be a good move if only for that.
 
He isn't lying.
Trump has been getting his ass kicked in the media narrative, nothing he does has seemed to take back him being able to dictate it and everyone has been waiting to see how he pushes back and gains some semblance of control here. We'll see how the week plays out but this seems to be a good move if only for that.
The Honeymoon phase for Harris is showing no signs of stopping and the media is doing anything not to mention Trump and even when they do, they downplay or act indifferent to whatever the subject is.

Trump has to do something big during a debate or make Harris look bad soon or I fear the media barrage will start to have positive effects on Harris.

It isn't about how popular or unpopular Trump is it's about how his message is quickly being forgotten in the face of the media.
 
One of two things can happen. Either media loses its credibility as reality catches up in a repeat of the Biden debacle, or they continue to control the narrative and Fabian Socialism reaches its desired endgame.
 
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If the polls don't let up I'm going to start getting suspicious. Kamala has indicated she is going to continue Joe Biden's foreign policy, which is unacceptable. I don't know if I can vote for Trump, the assassination attempt seems to have pushed him over the edge (he's also old, like Biden). Leaning toward Chase Oliver at the moment. I dunno who I'll ultimately end up voting for just yet tbh.
 
I don't think the US can survive a Kamala presidency, I'm sort of baffled as to why any undecided voter would buy into the propaganda pushed by the MSM.
It can and it will. Worry more about the Midterms. The President is just a bellwether of political trends.

Besides, the US's position on the international stage is so strong that not even a Democrat can ruin it (too much).
 
It can and it will. Worry more about the Midterms. The President is just a bellwether of political trends.

Besides, the US's position on the international stage is so strong that not even a Democrat can ruin it (too much).

I honestly think that is a complacent attitude that the US will always just be fine and continue to survive. Fact is our country is currently in one of the worst places it has ever been right now.
 
I honestly think that is a complacent attitude that the US will always just be fine and continue to survive. Fact is our country is currently in one of the worst places it has ever been right now.
Only because the collapse of the USSR left the free world in a ridiculously good place. Some correction was inevitable, but the larger trends are for the US to continue winning.

Don't worry too much. These things are completely out of our control.
 
It was straight forward, whats confusing? Kamalas campaign has been dictating the medias talking points for almost a month since she took the nomination, Trump needs to do something to take back his control of that narrative. The RFK thing seems to be a good way to do that, because otherwise Trump is losing ground and we don't have but a few months for him to get back to where he was.
I don't think the US can survive a Kamala presidency, I'm sort of baffled as to why any undecided voter would buy into the propaganda pushed by the MSM.
You being baffled is irrelevant. Trump was winning with a 5/6 chance of victory a month ago, now he is behind. Some of that is indeed just a honeymoon of having a new candidate, but every second people aren't talking about how bad Kamala is as a candidate is a second he's losing.
 
I think it's the other way around.
Then you are wrong as this isn't debatable. Prior to the RNC all even left wing pundits could talk about was how bad Biden was, Trump was literally assured a victory and he had just had an assassination attempt on his life which was blasted across the internet and MSM. Now its about how JD Vance is "weird," and Republicans are on the defense. I'm sorry but its not even worth entertaining someone arguing that Trump is not on the defense right now, whoever says so is wrong.
 
We need to wait for the RFK dropping out polls, as well as the debate
There isn't going to be a debate, most likely, Kamala keeps ducking every proposed option, and rejecting any that aren't slanted against Trump from the get go.

The Dems are going to try to install Kamala without any of the usual steps, and they've already ignored plenty to make this all happen they way it did, because this isn't an election in their eyes, it's a coronation.

Kamala even just rips/copies any good idea Trump has, and is as fake and shallow acting as ever, while the Obama groups keep the Chicago Dem machine churning out paid crowd and SuperPAC advertisements for Kamala and Walz.
 
I'm sorry but its not even worth entertaining someone arguing that Trump is not on the defense right now, whoever says so is wrong.
Oh, that is quite obvious. I'm just pointing out that it's the media that's setting the narrative, not the DNC.
 
Oh, that is quite obvious. I'm just pointing out that it's the media that's setting the narrative, not the DNC.
But the media was setting the narrative previously and he was dominating. Trump is considered a master at media manipulation and has done so excellently in 2016 and up to this point in 2024.
 
But the media was setting the narrative previously and he was dominating. Trump is considered a master at media manipulation and has done so excellently in 2016 and up to this point in 2024.
Nice Alternate Reality you're in, where the media wasn't clobbering him since 2016 with him unable to get a word in. It took multiple "what were they even thinking" level unforced errors for the Dems to squander an easy win.
 

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