United States Trump v Kamala Harris 2024
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Aldarion
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Dead is dead, whether it happens instantly or not. And latter can be far more dangerous because humans are (mostly) smart enough not to actually drink motor oil. Meanwhile...
Morphic Tide
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This assumes employees are individually valuable, which as well demonstrated in the early days of industrialization can extremely easily end up not the case. Any time the required skillset is in significant excess of the vacancies has this happen. Guess what's been pushed for decades?
Inelastic demands like housing, food, and energy as well as network effect monopolies like social media have incredibly natural market dynamics making large abusive corporations favored, while on the flip side areas like retail are cursed with near-essential properties prone to being abused to the point of breaking the profit margins by a handful of bad-faith customers.
This assumes that he has to be underpaying you for your wages to be pathetic. Especially when there's sizable populations used to relative poverty happy with wages far below a "good life" by your own standards.
Again, the numbers actually mean something, "market corrections" can very easily entail large chunks of the population having been spectacularly screwed over because the big businesses cut their costs with something at enormous costs to the wider society. In China, it's become a constant feature of the market leading to near-ceaseless scandals, because price signals alone do not allow honest businesses to survive.
It's a first-order optimal but stagnant and ultimately temporary efficiency. It endured because turning prisoners of war into forced labor made sense in overwhelmingly low-skilled economies, which stuck around in conquest-happy areas, but few slaves get to use their cognitive abilities to innovate and large masses of "articulate farm tools" contribute to very little of the economy.
Being hyperbolic about the maybe two-digit micromorts is not going to convince anyone actually thinking about it. Your feelings, no matter how well grounded in fact, remain statistically irrelevant. The problem for the masses is the pileup of mild chronic health problems along the way that are almost never the cause of death and rarely a discernable comorbidity.
It's gotten away with because it isn't poisoning, it's "just" bad food. When almost all of the food is bad, you get a medley of minor issues stacking up healthcare costs like crazy and making large swaths of the population miserable. You're obsessing over the personal extremes of third and fourth order effects when it's the first and second order causing a terrible "base load" on wider society's support systems that matter.
People don't care about one in tens if not hundreds of thousands getting a heart attack from the one thing. They care about double-digit percentages of their healthcare costs and insurance premiums from hundreds of things causing dozens of conditions.
49ersfootball
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Newsom, Whitmer, Shapiro, Moore & Pritzker all want Harris to GO AWAY & never come back ever again.
It has, it does and it will.
Seed oils and sugar are some of the biggest killers in the modern world.
How Vegetable Oils Make Us Fat
Over-consuming vegetable oils, which contain evolutionarily unprecedented amounts of the omega-6 fat linoleic acid, can cause obesity.www.zeroacre.com
Are Seed Oils Toxic? The Latest Research Suggests Yes
Seed oils never underwent safety testing for premarket approval. Here, we examine the disturbing toxicity and safety data that have come to light recently.
Oh, and they help cause Alzheimers:
damage to the eyes
High dietary omega-6 fatty acids contribute to reduced docosahexaenoic acid in the developing brain and inhibit secondary neurite growth - PubMed
Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA, 22:6omega-3) is a major polyunsaturated fatty acid in the brain and is required in large amounts during development. Low levels of DHA in the brain are associated with functional deficits. The omega-3 fatty acids are essential nutrients and their metabolism and...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
damage to the immune systemLow concentrations of cis-linoleic acid induce cell damage in epithelial cells from bovine lenses - PubMed
As low as 5 micromol/l of cis-linoleic acid proves to be cytotoxic for bovine lens epithelial cells in culture. Albumin eliminates the linoleic acid cytotoxicity completely, presumably by binding the fatty acid. However, the damaging effect appears again when the molar ratio of linoleic acid to...
Linoleic acid inhibits in vitro function of human and murine dendritic cells, CD4+T cells and retinal pigment epithelial cells - PubMed
LA inhibited the function of human and murine DCs, CD4<sup>+</sup>T cells, and RPE cells, regulated the expression of proteins, and promoted the apoptosis of human DCs. These results collectively suggest that LA might decrease the function of immune cells in vitro, and further studies are needed...
"Just bad food" is literally the leading cause of death in the United States:
The top leading causes of death in the United States
This article looks at the leading causes of death in the United States, including heart disease, cancer, and the impact of COVID-19.www.medicalnewstoday.com
How the fuck are seed oil and GMO conversations popping up in every friggin thread in Politics?
Get a Banquet Room already.
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SoliFortissimi
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-because it won't be able to compete against more efficient models. Don't think you can just leave that part out.
And unless you forgot your history classes, it didn't. The two great liberal market economies, first Britain and then America, wiped slavery off the map. It simply could not compete now that a superior economic model has joined the fray.
So I was wrong. You do think stopping suicides is bad.
It's the bane of every economy. And the number one argument against any regulatory authority.
It has, it does and it will.
Seed oils and sugar are some of the biggest killers in the modern world.
How Vegetable Oils Make Us Fat
Over-consuming vegetable oils, which contain evolutionarily unprecedented amounts of the omega-6 fat linoleic acid, can cause obesity.Are Seed Oils Toxic? The Latest Research Suggests Yes
Seed oils never underwent safety testing for premarket approval. Here, we examine the disturbing toxicity and safety data that have come to light recently.
Oh, and they help cause Alzheimers:
damage to the eyesHigh dietary omega-6 fatty acids contribute to reduced docosahexaenoic acid in the developing brain and inhibit secondary neurite growth - PubMed
Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA, 22:6omega-3) is a major polyunsaturated fatty acid in the brain and is required in large amounts during development. Low levels of DHA in the brain are associated with functional deficits. The omega-3 fatty acids are essential nutrients and their metabolism and...
damage to the immune systemLow concentrations of cis-linoleic acid induce cell damage in epithelial cells from bovine lenses - PubMed
As low as 5 micromol/l of cis-linoleic acid proves to be cytotoxic for bovine lens epithelial cells in culture. Albumin eliminates the linoleic acid cytotoxicity completely, presumably by binding the fatty acid. However, the damaging effect appears again when the molar ratio of linoleic acid to...
Linoleic acid inhibits in vitro function of human and murine dendritic cells, CD4+T cells and retinal pigment epithelial cells - PubMed
LA inhibited the function of human and murine DCs, CD4<sup>+</sup>T cells, and RPE cells, regulated the expression of proteins, and promoted the apoptosis of human DCs. These results collectively suggest that LA might decrease the function of immune cells in vitro, and further studies are needed...
"Just bad food" is literally the leading cause of death in the United States:
The top leading causes of death in the United States
This article looks at the leading causes of death in the United States, including heart disease, cancer, and the impact of COVID-19.
Guys, we have a thread for health discussions. This thread is about the election.This chart does not show what they are claiming it shows.
Indeed, this chart shows a direct correlation with the amount consumed affecting obesity rates, not simply where the fat comes from. If it were about where the fat came from then you'd see the others going down at the same rate vegetable oil consumption was going up and still see obesity rates going up.
When you only need 1800 calories to maintain the same weight and you're taking in an extra 450 on top of that in comparison to what you'd be eating in 1960... yeah, no shit you're going to gain weight.
But they failed even earlier than that!
There is no tribe, population, or nation that hasn't started consuming vegetable oils. Period. You can swap out "vegetable oils" with water and have it be exactly the same amount of correct.
But let's see about other correlations that can be made, mm?
Now then, let's see which nations top the charts in obesity rates...
It looks like there's a correlation here, now let's do the same with vegetable oil.
Oh hey, look at that: no correlation with obesity. If there was, China and Croatia would be the fattest countries in the world and it wouldn't even be close.
So take your psuedo science garbage and shove it.
Settle down Calhoun, slavery is still alive and well, we just outsourced it to other countries so that we could have all of the benefits without any of the downsides. And these days give them a small pittance so that we can say that it's not slavery even though it totally is.
I can promise you that the little children in the Congo we send down the mineshafts to get cobalt for our phones would probably give a kidney to get a cushy job picking cotton.
As for suicides, I do think preventing them is wrong when the alternative is a fate worse than death. But then again that's probably just because I'm not a fucking monster.
SoliFortissimi
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Which was also already predicted by Adam Smith. While he felt that it was an inefficient and repugnant system, he cynically admitted there's no way it could truly die.
As I've already noted down, humans are just not built for economic efficiency. If they were, socialism wouldn't be so ridiculously popular.
Enough!
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Don't any of you make me put my foot down! You all know better than this! Any further discussion must be of immediate importance to the Election not seed oil or goddamn slavery economics.
You have been warned don't test me.
You have been warned don't test me.
prinCZess
Warrior, Writer, Performer, Perv
Seed oils are tied to RFK Jr.
RFK Jr. endorsed Trump after his struggle to become a 3rd-party candidate.
Election-related...There's no real way to determine it, but based on results alone it would seem that--assuming endorsements ever have any value to them--Trump getting the endorsement of people like RFK Jr. and Gabbard may have helped sway things his direction in comparison to Harris' much more 'typical' endorsements from celebrities (and, I suppose, some papers--though some papers specifically NOT endorsing her while also not endorsing Trump or a third-party is also a part of that whole story).
RFK Jr. endorsed Trump after his struggle to become a 3rd-party candidate.
Election-related...There's no real way to determine it, but based on results alone it would seem that--assuming endorsements ever have any value to them--Trump getting the endorsement of people like RFK Jr. and Gabbard may have helped sway things his direction in comparison to Harris' much more 'typical' endorsements from celebrities (and, I suppose, some papers--though some papers specifically NOT endorsing her while also not endorsing Trump or a third-party is also a part of that whole story).
Something that rather bothers me about this election is the endless rants about how Trump voters are 'uneducated' or otherwise less educated.
What I find funny about it, is that a simple glance to people with actual high-level degrees demonstrates a good number of them are fucking retards. So 'educated' should not be deemed synonymous with 'intelligent'.
But worse, it's a critical misunderstanding of how society actually functions. Like...A seriously fucking DANGEROUS misunderstanding.
Firstly people act as if 'everyone' can get higher level education, as if that makes any fucking sense. Somebody is going to have to clean the floors and do simple shit. Maybe someday that'll be done by machines but for now we need flesh and blood, and that doesn't require a fucking diploma. The people doing these tasks don't WANT a diploma either, well some might eventually but only to get a different job. Ideally even low-tier jobs should be livable, as they were in the past.
So inevitably there's going to BE uneducated people, uneducated people are fine. A lot of them are fucking smart too.
What leftists have fallen into is this hilariously dangerous idea that somehow uneducated people (in reality they have SOME level of education, you can teach yourself fucking anything including nuclear physics via google if you want) are some form of problem, and therefore a problem you can REMOVE.
Notice how they aren't suggesting everyone should get a doctorate? How it's more of a 'fuck you, got mine!' deal? If not everyone is supposed to educated but the uneducated is a 'problem' then their ideal solution seems obvious. Barring from voting rights, or outright removal.
It's like some hilarious statement from a dystopia novel villain, "Those pesky plebes are interfering with our politics!...Who REALLY needs farmers anyway?" Makes for a neat chapter one intro I'd say.
I'm frankly just disgusted over this insane focus of 'the terror of the uneducated' by the leftist creeps, hilariously a fuckload of THEM are as dense as a sack of bricks so who are they even fooling?
What I find funny about it, is that a simple glance to people with actual high-level degrees demonstrates a good number of them are fucking retards. So 'educated' should not be deemed synonymous with 'intelligent'.
But worse, it's a critical misunderstanding of how society actually functions. Like...A seriously fucking DANGEROUS misunderstanding.
Firstly people act as if 'everyone' can get higher level education, as if that makes any fucking sense. Somebody is going to have to clean the floors and do simple shit. Maybe someday that'll be done by machines but for now we need flesh and blood, and that doesn't require a fucking diploma. The people doing these tasks don't WANT a diploma either, well some might eventually but only to get a different job. Ideally even low-tier jobs should be livable, as they were in the past.
So inevitably there's going to BE uneducated people, uneducated people are fine. A lot of them are fucking smart too.
What leftists have fallen into is this hilariously dangerous idea that somehow uneducated people (in reality they have SOME level of education, you can teach yourself fucking anything including nuclear physics via google if you want) are some form of problem, and therefore a problem you can REMOVE.
Notice how they aren't suggesting everyone should get a doctorate? How it's more of a 'fuck you, got mine!' deal? If not everyone is supposed to educated but the uneducated is a 'problem' then their ideal solution seems obvious. Barring from voting rights, or outright removal.
It's like some hilarious statement from a dystopia novel villain, "Those pesky plebes are interfering with our politics!...Who REALLY needs farmers anyway?" Makes for a neat chapter one intro I'd say.
I'm frankly just disgusted over this insane focus of 'the terror of the uneducated' by the leftist creeps, hilariously a fuckload of THEM are as dense as a sack of bricks so who are they even fooling?
So this makes more sense once you realize that what the Democrats want is, in effect, a Technocracy* with the Managerial class as the base from which the Technocrats rise. To enter the Managerial Class one must have accreditation and go through the proper rituals and molding, AKA "a college degree".
Those who do not have this accreditation are thus seen as "lesser" people who do not deserve a voice, since they are not part of the correct class of people.
Democrats have been doing this for years, and it goes back to Communism and more specifically Lenin. The underlying idea is that of people having a "False Consciousness" and thus need a small group of elite to lead them. You see this all the time when Democrats talk about people "voting against their interests", where somehow the Democrats know better what a person's political interests are than the people themselves making the decision**, this is their way of saying a group of people has that "false consciousness" and they should not be allowed to make decisions for themselves, but rather, they should listen to the vanguard party... I mean... the Democrats.
It's communism all the way down. -.-
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* By the way, this ideal is also why you're seeing the Left turn on Elon Musk so hard and fast, he's a technocrat who's betrayed their ideals and sided with the non-technocrats. He's a CLASS TRAITOR in their eyes, though they won't say that explicitly. It's also what underlies so much of the hatred towards Trump.
** So this actually CAN happen, but not the in the way Democrats think. Generally speaking it only happens in very local "non-political" elections for positions that are very local and kinda obscure, IE
Blasterbot
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technocracy? nah they are a theocracy with the religion being scientism and to be a member of the priest class you have to have wealthy connected parents or go in debt by about 6 figures. seriously we have them going on about people blaspheming against them at this point. I'm not going to pretend they are anything else at this point.
DarthOne
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They're technocratic theocrats.
IndyFront
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So it looks as though the Democrats not only are ignorantly refusing to learn any lessons from this loss, they're actively doubling down.
And you can tell by the way these people literally fail upwards, they outright lied about the polls, and they're going to do it again because these political malpracticers are going to face exactly zero repercussions from the Democratic elites or the loyalist voters.
So it really looks like the Democrats have become the extremists, although I wouldn't call it "communism" per se. More akin to state capitalism, wherein the state and corporation are essentially married. It's like the fusion of church and state, only more elusive and Machiavellian. It's truly something we haven't seen before, but one thing I would definitely characterize it as is: extremism, and blind ideology all other factors of life be damned.
I'm already pounding the gavel on 2028: it's going to be a Republican fucking landslide.
And you can tell by the way these people literally fail upwards, they outright lied about the polls, and they're going to do it again because these political malpracticers are going to face exactly zero repercussions from the Democratic elites or the loyalist voters.
So it really looks like the Democrats have become the extremists, although I wouldn't call it "communism" per se. More akin to state capitalism, wherein the state and corporation are essentially married. It's like the fusion of church and state, only more elusive and Machiavellian. It's truly something we haven't seen before, but one thing I would definitely characterize it as is: extremism, and blind ideology all other factors of life be damned.
I'm already pounding the gavel on 2028: it's going to be a Republican fucking landslide.
49ersfootball
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Newsom, Whitmer, Shapiro, Moore & Pritzker all prefer that Harris go away & never run for political office again.
Speculation is brewing Harris might seek the CA Governorship in 2026. Big question is whether or not she clears the field on the Dem side ?
Excuse me? She more than earned that nomination, which is more than can be said of the rest of those clowns.
She had to sleep with Willie Brown to get to this position, which is like the equivalent of a dozen deployments to Afghanistan.
I mean the sheer amount of willpower and Disgust Tolerance required for such a feat, which other Democrat politician can demonstrate anything close to that?
She might have to take up with Willie Brown again but I have no doubt that she'll be up to the task.
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Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
I'm like 98% certain that Kamala was shitfaced drunk during that little speech.