Um... I think Fallout!Chinese Americans would like to disagree, seeing how they were put into concentration camps and casually used for all manners of horrid expierementation
Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]
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That peckish, patriotic, Protestant passerine.
That's fair. But the Enclave soldiers even on the rig were multi-racial, as evidenced by the Remnants in the F:NV. So that was a more situational racial discrimination specifically against the Chinese prompted by the war/lead-up to the war since they became the main rival to the US, rather than the whole "Whites are superior to all non-whites" nonsense that was unfortunately part of a good chunk of US history. Not to mention the Enclave/Shadow Government USA also intended the vaults for experimentation and also their own soldiers for experimentation as the BoS can attest to, so not really a surprise they used interned Chinese-Americans as well when they were perfectly willing to do that to literally everyone else in their country regardless of ethnic and racial background.
In Fallout 76 (cursed be its name) they even listed Japanese among patriotic languages when in the Pioneer Scout exam question "Which of these patriotic languages did our fine fighting men use as an unbreakable code during World War II?" among also Navajo, Esperanto, and apparently Anglo-Saxon. So unless some of those answers were "non-patriotic" languages, it included an obvious Asian language as patriotic in America.
Personally I would like to know how Anglo-Saxon came to be known as patriotic specifically, because I understand at least Japanese with how the US basically mostly took over Japan's military defense other than the JSDF, so close association could eventually make it become patriotic to know, and Esperanto was at least meant to be an international language so I could also see the importance if it was becoming popular again. But an old dead Anglo-Saxon dialect? That would be interesting to see how it came about.
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ForeverShogo
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I don't think the answers to that multiple choice question were all meant to seriously be thought of as patriotic, despite the wording. Especially when one of the answers for a question about WW2 belongs to a nation we were at war with during WW2.
I just think it was meant to be trickery. Or that whoever is responsible for that exam is a fucking idiot. (In-universe and in Bethesda.)
I just think it was meant to be trickery. Or that whoever is responsible for that exam is a fucking idiot. (In-universe and in Bethesda.)
TyrantTriumphant
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Fallout 76 is just stupid. I wouldn't use it as a source except as broad strokes.
TBF, if President Eden had won the power struggle vs Autumn (i.e. say Liam Walker eats his gun in grief and mistrust), the NCR of this timeline could be looking pretty prescient in opposing an Enclave that might make Richardson's Enclave look tame by comparison.
Kioras
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The major thing I think the EUSA is screwing up on is that they are not moving to a war economy seriously.
This is a war of survival and they are taking the NCR too lightly. The advanced technology might help but there is an unknown numbers issue that might be happening between both sides.
Also who knows what china might bring to the table also. It depends on what sort of tech they have, since the author did state they got USA Fusion tech somehow.
Ironically once the Brotherhood is eliminated they are sitting on massive piles of Oil, that use our modern extraction methods to access. The synthetic chemical businesses will probably appreciate it.
What is weird is that the EUSA did not seize the Panama Canal Just to make sure they can project power easier on the West Coast, otherwise getting there is a serious issue.
Unless Gran Columbia is enough to prevent them from doing so currently, being bogged down in a long term war.
Final question I have is does the EUSA have a space program for getting a variety of satellites into orbit, or nothing yet?
This is a war of survival and they are taking the NCR too lightly. The advanced technology might help but there is an unknown numbers issue that might be happening between both sides.
Also who knows what china might bring to the table also. It depends on what sort of tech they have, since the author did state they got USA Fusion tech somehow.
Ironically once the Brotherhood is eliminated they are sitting on massive piles of Oil, that use our modern extraction methods to access. The synthetic chemical businesses will probably appreciate it.
What is weird is that the EUSA did not seize the Panama Canal Just to make sure they can project power easier on the West Coast, otherwise getting there is a serious issue.
Unless Gran Columbia is enough to prevent them from doing so currently, being bogged down in a long term war.
Final question I have is does the EUSA have a space program for getting a variety of satellites into orbit, or nothing yet?
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Probably from the US forces in China before the great war.
Navarro
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Anti-Chinese sentiment in pre-War USA was tame compared to IRL WW2 sentiment towards the Japanese, which is the closest parallel.
Evidence for a "shadow government" in pre-War USA is also pretty hard to find. What we do know is that there was corruption going on, the government was authoritarian (most likely due to pressure on account of the 10-year-long-war), and that continuity-of-government protocols were successfully carried out. "Shadow governments" don't contain key members of the ACTUAL government such as the POTUS, and the term doesn't mean "evil government".
BoS weren't subject to the experiments at Mariposa, they rebelled over ethical issues related to them and were lucky the bombs fell like a day later.
True.
FO76 is retarded, news at 11. Navajo would have been far better than "Anglo-Saxon", which isn't even the term used.
Uuurgh.
Navarro
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Preview of ch. 18.
==*==
At nine-hundred-hours they reached within a klick of the Enclave positions, and then the assault began.
--*--
Sergeant Royez sprinted his utmost as the Enclave bombardment tore through the light-infantry squad to his left, even though the shell detonated too soon and they were in cover in the ruins of an old hardware store. A vivid green flash appeared safely above their heads, followed by a rain of white-hot metal fragments on them from above at high speeds, courtesy of the shell’s coating of heat resistant metal. What survivors there were could expect-
He rushed into the open ground before the Enclave defence lines, expecting mines. No such luck. Energy pulsed continuously through her armour’s systems, sending it haywire. The servos failed. Moving at a run, their momentum and the armour’s own weight combined to send the NCR powered soldiers sprawling helplessly on the ground.
To try and lift it was hopeless. As error messages flashed red on his HUD, he pulled himself with all his might through the snow to find cover, all the while watching helplessly as his men were taken out one-by-one as they similarly tried to save themselves. Eventually a team of unpowered infantry found him and dragged him out of that awful zone of death, but only two of his squad had made it. His company had lost a third of its strength just in that brief engagement.
--*--
The newly-promoted Sergeant James Fields gritted his teeth, firing a Laser RCW he had taken from a dead power-trooper as the Enclave launched a counter-attack. Even the least-well-equipped of them had plasma rifles and the best of pre-War combat armour, while the majority of them had either power armour ranging from the Navarro-style to the new ‘modern’ type, or what seemed to be the Enclave’s answer to ranger combat armour.
The enemy, clad in the long-eared armour the Brotherhood nicknamed ‘Black Devil’ – though it was in a winter camo colour scheme – had several holes burnt in his chest armour by 30 seconds of continuous suppressive fire – long enough for Castillo to grab a fallen grenade rifle and take him out of action with a shot that blew off his arm to the elbow. He was quickly recovered by Enclave medics – they have those?, but he should be out of action at the least for months.
He took a breath and panted behind cover before throwing off a round of suppressive fire. Fighting in these winter conditions was especially draining.
He saw a convoy of engineers approach from the north-east – they had been sent to reduce the enemy tank traps there, evidently to no success. Many of the casualties from there, he would learn later, were injuries – victims of land-mines laid between the tank traps to secure them. Even with the techniques derived from Vault City, it would take weeks for them to be combat-capable again.
--*--
Ranger McGrath watched from three-and-a-half klicks away as the NCR assault was met with a vicious Enclave counter-attack that drove it backwards. The NCR force – about twenty thousand men – broke off at twelve-hundred hours, having taken two thousand casualties.
--*--
At his command post, Lance Robertson ascertained the situation. The enemy defences had proven to be slightly stronger than he anticipated – he had never expected to win O’Hare in one battle. In two weeks the 60,000 men from Davenport should arrive and he would have enough for a decisive push – in the meantime he would continue to prove for weaknesses. 23,000 men would be dedicated to each enemy strongpoint with the aim of reducing and isolating it in preparation for the big push. Be that as it may, he would also appreciate an early breakthrough.
But time was also his enemy as much as it was the Enclave’s. If he could not force O’Hare in three weeks … that was it. Every hour, every minute, needed to be devoted right now to victory.
==*==
At nine-hundred-hours they reached within a klick of the Enclave positions, and then the assault began.
--*--
Sergeant Royez sprinted his utmost as the Enclave bombardment tore through the light-infantry squad to his left, even though the shell detonated too soon and they were in cover in the ruins of an old hardware store. A vivid green flash appeared safely above their heads, followed by a rain of white-hot metal fragments on them from above at high speeds, courtesy of the shell’s coating of heat resistant metal. What survivors there were could expect-
He rushed into the open ground before the Enclave defence lines, expecting mines. No such luck. Energy pulsed continuously through her armour’s systems, sending it haywire. The servos failed. Moving at a run, their momentum and the armour’s own weight combined to send the NCR powered soldiers sprawling helplessly on the ground.
To try and lift it was hopeless. As error messages flashed red on his HUD, he pulled himself with all his might through the snow to find cover, all the while watching helplessly as his men were taken out one-by-one as they similarly tried to save themselves. Eventually a team of unpowered infantry found him and dragged him out of that awful zone of death, but only two of his squad had made it. His company had lost a third of its strength just in that brief engagement.
--*--
The newly-promoted Sergeant James Fields gritted his teeth, firing a Laser RCW he had taken from a dead power-trooper as the Enclave launched a counter-attack. Even the least-well-equipped of them had plasma rifles and the best of pre-War combat armour, while the majority of them had either power armour ranging from the Navarro-style to the new ‘modern’ type, or what seemed to be the Enclave’s answer to ranger combat armour.
The enemy, clad in the long-eared armour the Brotherhood nicknamed ‘Black Devil’ – though it was in a winter camo colour scheme – had several holes burnt in his chest armour by 30 seconds of continuous suppressive fire – long enough for Castillo to grab a fallen grenade rifle and take him out of action with a shot that blew off his arm to the elbow. He was quickly recovered by Enclave medics – they have those?, but he should be out of action at the least for months.
He took a breath and panted behind cover before throwing off a round of suppressive fire. Fighting in these winter conditions was especially draining.
He saw a convoy of engineers approach from the north-east – they had been sent to reduce the enemy tank traps there, evidently to no success. Many of the casualties from there, he would learn later, were injuries – victims of land-mines laid between the tank traps to secure them. Even with the techniques derived from Vault City, it would take weeks for them to be combat-capable again.
--*--
Ranger McGrath watched from three-and-a-half klicks away as the NCR assault was met with a vicious Enclave counter-attack that drove it backwards. The NCR force – about twenty thousand men – broke off at twelve-hundred hours, having taken two thousand casualties.
--*--
At his command post, Lance Robertson ascertained the situation. The enemy defences had proven to be slightly stronger than he anticipated – he had never expected to win O’Hare in one battle. In two weeks the 60,000 men from Davenport should arrive and he would have enough for a decisive push – in the meantime he would continue to prove for weaknesses. 23,000 men would be dedicated to each enemy strongpoint with the aim of reducing and isolating it in preparation for the big push. Be that as it may, he would also appreciate an early breakthrough.
But time was also his enemy as much as it was the Enclave’s. If he could not force O’Hare in three weeks … that was it. Every hour, every minute, needed to be devoted right now to victory.
Crow gotta eat
That peckish, patriotic, Protestant passerine.
True, I suppose a better terms would be "deep-state" and "military-industrial complex", rather than Shadow Government, as both of those are technically legitimate for the most part if extremely sleazy and often cross into illegal dealings.
Thank you for the correction, misremembered that.
Really? Last I checked, the wiki it had Navajo and Anglo-Saxon both as answers with Navajo listed as as the correct answer. Did you mean another Native language we used for code talking except maybe during like say WWI, like Cherokee or Choctaw, instead of listing Anglo-Saxon for some weird reason?
And yeah, it is pretty stupid they use Anglo-Saxon either way.
Edit: You probably also meant it Anglo-Saxon isn't really the term used to describe the language(s) of the Anglo-Saxons due to all the different dialects.
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Navarro
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Yeah. It reminds me of this FO fan I once read somewhere I don't recall right now who talked about how he wanted to write a story about a "US government" faction separate from the Enclave. Duh. The Enclave is Fallout's "US government" faction, which calls itself the legitimate US government and even uses RL continuity-of-government bases. Some people are so silly about denying this they theorise there was a sinister-mastermind-type "Enclave President" running around who went off to the oil rig and left the US President to die. To which the only answer is But then, why was the White House empty immediately before the bombs dropped?
If you want to criticise their claim to such, there's no need to bring up pre-War conspiracies - you can just bring up the time they tried to genocide the vast majority of the people they say they govern, or that most of them do not acknowledge them as such. And even if their claim is true, that doesn't make fighting them inherently an evil act.
And finally, if you want an "Enclave but good (or at least a reasonable option)" faction it's far better to write something about the Enclave turning good (or at least a reasonable option).
So Navajo is used, your earlier post didn't give that impression.
It's called "Old English".
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Crow gotta eat
That peckish, patriotic, Protestant passerine.
I noticed I accidentally used Japanese twice and replaced the second one with Navajo shortly after, which you probably read the first time around and just didn't notice that I corrected it by the time you made a response.
Navarro
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Eden wins FO3? Here is what it's gonna look like:
Humanity would ultimately survive, but the East Coast would be all but totally depopulated and the NCR would no longer be a viable political entity after decades of its army fighting an endless guerilla war across North America and its civilian population being hunted like rats.
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Navarro
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As to your question, I was already HCing that Japan was a rather prominent American ally in the war against China.
Navarro
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They are moving to a war economy, for sure - I guess I'm not showing enough of that and will try to remedy that, but I don't intend this to be bogged down in elaborately detailed minutia of how power-armour factories work and get their supplies.
E-USA has a lower population under arms right now, but a larger potential manpower pool.
They have some interesting stuff. Won't spoil tho.
Indeed.
The locks were nuked. It's busted for the foreseeable future.
If Gran Colombia held the Panama Canal, and it was worth taking, a regiment of US Marines could take it from them in an afternoon.
They landed a man on Mars not a decade ago and regularly fly spaceplanes to the Moon.
Kioras
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A few year project to restore. Not a priority until perhaps the EUSA pushes the NCR to the fortresses in the Rockies. It then depends if doing a bypass is possible or not.
That is a serious problem for the NCR. If they do not take Chicago they will be in a lot of trouble. The Brotherhood territory is almost tailor-made to be quickly reincorporated back into EUSA.
The Brotherhood did not spread around the technology, keeping it all internal so the normal citizens which are basically serfs are extremely vulnerable to being culturally assimilated by the Enclave quickly, especially depending on how the Brotherhood handled medical care.
I do wonder what sort of fleet the EUSA has in the Great Lakes. Did they build a fleet there or else did they expand the New York State Canal System?
Also, that canal System would allow a large number of troops and supplies to be shipped in from elsewhere in the EUSA if needed. It is the type of thing that might get ignored since Canal systems for transport are not likely used in the NCR either.
The NCR is lucky that the EUSA is more worried about actually taking the territory, infrastructure and people. They are vulnerable to catching rods from God striking down at the energy production facilities or even energy transport.
Fallout history should still have studies of WWII on what hurt the Germans.
SuperHeavy
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Probably why one of their special projects listed way back when strongly hinted at mass cloning of combat personnel.
I think you have done a fine job of it, most of the time we hear about factories they are being converted to war production. It's just the expected wave of material and machinery has not been shown hitting the NCR despite the fronts being so close to the industrial heartlands.
Navarro
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The boot-camp for standard soldiers is 16 weeks, as opposed to the RL USA's 12.
Jarow
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So about 3.5 months, meaning anyone who joined after the war started should not have made it through yet.