Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]

[TyrantTriumphant]

Ortez for his part had smashed the Enclave armies north-west of Indianopolis on two separate engagements and was occupying the city, but seemed to have suffered a nervous breakdown shortly after entering, though he now claimed (dubiously, Lance thought) to be at full capacity.

Ortez seems to have figured out the truth about the Neo-Enclave as well. He appears not to have taken it well.

Also, none of the forces involved seem to think much of the BoS militia. How well are they equipped and trained?

And I haven't seen anything about the Republic of New Canaan since the Texas campaign. I take it that they are not participating in this stage of the war?

 

[Kioras]

Also, none of the forces involved seem to think much of the BoS militia. How well are they equipped and trained?

Probably low tech flak jacket, assault rifle and Grenades. Training is likely poor.

 

[ForeverShogo]

Unless Navarro changed his mind, I think he said the Brotherhood keeps its militias at a level comparable to WW1?

Or maybe that's just the serfs that make up their civilian population and the militias get something better.

 

[SuperHeavy]

Unless Navarro changed his mind, I think he said the Brotherhood keeps its militias at a level comparable to WW1?

Civilian tech is kept around that level but military sectors seem to have at least been maintained at roughly Pre-War capabilities. So the poor sods that don't get power armor might get at least the old US infantry armor and ballistic weapons. Stuff that conveniently won't do much to Paladin PA if those militia get ideas above their station.

 

[Navarro]

And I haven't seen anything about the Republic of New Canaan since the Texas campaign. I take it that they are not participating in this stage of the war?

They joined the NCR alliance from a goal of mutual defence and don't really have the numbers to make offensive action.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

They joined the NCR alliance from a goal of mutual defence and don't really have the numbers to make offensive action.

Speaking of religious folk like the New Canaanites

Are there still two Popes? I mean they reconnected with the Vatican after two centuries, right

Gonna be pretty awkward if NCR tourists start screaming and shouting when they meet Enclave tourists while someone in the background goes “Americans”

 

[Navarro]

Uuugh, I literally answered this question a while ago.

 

[TyrantTriumphant]

Speaking of religious folk like the New Canaanites

Are there still two Popes? I mean they reconnected with the Vatican after two centuries, right

Gonna be pretty awkward if NCR tourists start screaming and shouting when they meet Enclave tourists while someone in the background goes “Americans”

As I recall the Pope in America got his city taken over by raiders who were than taken over by the E-USA. There's only one Pope now.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

As I recall the Pope in America got his city taken over by raiders who were than taken over by the E-USA. There's only one Pope now.

Don’t remember that in the prequels

 

[TyrantTriumphant]

Don’t remember that in the prequels

I think the author mentioned it at some point in a comment.

 

[Crow gotta eat]

Don’t remember that in the prequels

Here is the entire thing about it.

The Throne of St. Peter still exists. As for the Neo-Papal State, it was destroyed by an internal coup launched by a group of ambitious Cardinals after the discovery that the real Pope was still around pretty much destroyed the American Pope's legitimacy and led to much social unrest, then raiders (who totally didn't have covert E-US gun-running efforts supporting them) conquered the city and the E-USA destroyed the raiders after they had spent a good few years terrorising the place, then started fortifying it against a Brotherhood attack.

So eventually an agreement was made with Rome that the new primary diocese of the Catholic Church in America would be Atlantic City (formerly known as Great Lanta), which had already been the de facto headquarters of Catholicism on the East Coast for about a century (it's from there that the Catholic priest in FO3 comes from, remember). This satisfied everyone except a few members of St. Louis' College of Cardinals, who had fled to the NCR from the raiders and then went all schismatic, becoming the leaders of Catholicism on the west coast, including the parts of Mexico under NCR control (other parts of Mexico follow the diocese of Veracruz, which is under the Mexican Emperor's thumb).

 

[Navarro]

Perhaps the NCR and Enclave are just diverging technologically as well as culturally. It is possible that the cultural differences are the reason for the technological differences.

I mean, in WW2 both sides used tanks, but they used different kinds of tanks. That's the sort of thing that's going on here, not the least because everybody using the exact same equipment would be too samey.

For instance, I made it so the NCR has gone more into electrolasers (LAERs and such) than plasma as an anti-PA weapon.

Even giving the Legion weapons because everyone knew that they would be defeated eventually, but the goal of simply just trying to give the Legion weapons, not to destroy the NCR, but to cause more casualties in battle before the Legion were inevitably defeated, felt much less morally dubious, compared to causing a city to badly flood and cause many civilian casualties.

Oh, that was just the beginning. The Legion faction being supported would have gotten more shipments of weapons and USAF support (which would have ended the deadlock of the LCW quickly) if they hadn't decided to jump straight to invading the NCR, and then ... within five to eight years a reunited Legion which had motorised its forces (with US ... assistance), trained in modern small-unit tactics, and was equipped with laser weapons (and had USAF support for CAS and air superiority) would be facing an NCR in the middle of modernising its military and infrastructure and building defences at its borders.

And the majority of the NCR's biggest cities, including the capital, are all within 300 miles of its border at the time (by contrast, DC is 600 miles from Chicago, NY and Montreal 730, and Boston 850).

The NCR got lucky Gaius Magnus decided to jump straight to attacking them, and that the resulting battle killed EVERYONE who had a shot at reuniting the Legion. If even Lucius survives ... he reconsolidates the Legion, and the USA jumps straight to supporting him instead to pick up where they left off.

IIRC, Autumn in the first series was pro 'human purity' in a pragmatic sense as opposed to an ideological sense in that if you recognized the authority of the Enclave / E-USA, you were either welcomed or at least tolerated (in the case of non feral ghouls / super mutants) while OTOH, fighting against the Enclave / E-USA got you put on the quite equal opportunity 'To be killed until you stop fighting' list.

FTFY.

And while I don't recall Navarro mentioning the outposts in the flashbacks of the first series, I'd chalk the 'genetic screening kill test' sites up to President Skynet since we do see the nascent E-USA putting considerable resources into medical tech and infrastructure for the wastelander communities by the time they reach Boston.

Yes, that will be the case in Aquila Renatus. Eden has somewhat more than just machines supporting him in Raven Rock at this point.

 

[Navarro]

M-125 Dornan IFV

The M-125 IFV serves primarily as a successor to the M-124 MacArthur IFV, which saw many long years of service during World War Three and the early years of the current US Federal government campaign to restore lawful and legitimate government to United States territory. The M-124, while serviceable, had many design flaws - for instance, PA soldiers had to stand and could only be held six in a vehicle, the driver-controlled 76mm guns were more a distraction for him than anything useful, it had a number of shot traps at the front, and it was too tall for its length causing it to tip over when rounding corners, a consistent flaw.

So, in the last years of President Fairfax's administration a program was set in place to design a new IFV, with the Hermes Automobile Corporation winning the prize. The result was not an all-new design, but a refining of the principles used by the MacArthur. The name was decided in the early Kirkpatrick administration, shortly after the last Navarro veteran known to have made it to Federally-governed territory passed, after Sergeant Arch Dornan, a notable combat instructor, who is reputed by both US military survivors and NCR accounts to have been slain leading the last charge of US forces against NCR troops that had breached the base's perimeter.

The M-125 has a notably different design shape than the M-124, no longer overly tall in comparison to its length. It retains a gun at top, but this is now an MV-320 30mm rail-autocannon, capable of firing solid, canister, high-ex, incendiary, plasma and chemical rounds as tactical circumstances and mission profile dictates, with a co-axial heavy gatling laser - the main gun uses an autoloader and is controlled remotely by a gunner who sits next to the driver in the vehicle's armoured control cabin.

Additional features include smoke grenade launchers which also serve to scramble the vehicle's IR signature, and electro-reactive armour tiles. The M-125 can carry 13 power-armoured soldiers, or 18 non-armoured soldiers, sitting in its rear compartment - they deploy via a ramp which goes down from the back.

The IFV also has several variants which forego its transport capacity to be of more direct effectiveness on the battlefield:

M480 "Electric Edith"

A self-propelled artillery piece, the M480 replaces the 30mm rail-autocannon and all troop transport capacity with a 155mm rail-howitzer capable of a maximum effective range of 25 miles. It fires all rounds fired by the M-360 towed howitzer, which is still in service.

M180 "Grid Square Removal System"

Also nicknamed the "Rockin' Rhonda", the M180 is a self-propelled rocket artillery piece intended for saturation bombardment of enemy positions, which also has no troop transport capability.

M90 "Lazy Lindy" Laser Air Defence Vehicle

The M90 Laser Air Defence Vehicle replaces its troop transport capacity and the 30mm rail-autocannon with turreted mounting and additional power generation for a twin-linked laser-autocannon capable of hitting and taking down any enemy aircraft within 20,000 feet.

 

[ForeverShogo]

Eh. I feel like blaming Eden for that is a total cop out. To just be like, "Nope. Every bad thing ever was all Eden."

But just so people will know what the genetic screenings are in relation to, this is the actual policy for the "Constituency Enforcement Points".

===

Mission Directive: Establish and enforce Enclave presence among general populace, disposal of genetic non-compliance offenders.

I. Establish constituency enforcement point at coordinates 39.138 x -77.070. Monitor civilian movement in area, and debrief superior regarding any events of notable significance or regularity.

II. Distribute purified water rations to civilians willing to submit to genetic compliance screening. Participation in screening is compulsory for all civilians, and use of force is authorized in enforcement.

III. Genetic non-compliance offenders should be detained at checkpoint.

IV. To conserve consumption of Enclave resources, detainees should be disposed of by flame only when withholding facility becomes overcrowded, or detainees become unmanageable, whichever comes first.

===

Anyways . . . I'd assume it's going to be something where Autumn said he'll do the screenings but the "test" is just looking at someone and going, "Yep. You're definitely Human."

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Eh. I feel like blaming Eden for that is a total cop out. To just be like, "Nope. Every bad thing ever was all Eden."

But just so people will know what the genetic screenings are in relation to, this is the actual policy for the "Constituency Enforcement Points".

===

Mission Directive: Establish and enforce Enclave presence among general populace, disposal of genetic non-compliance offenders.

I. Establish constituency enforcement point at coordinates 39.138 x -77.070. Monitor civilian movement in area, and debrief superior regarding any events of notable significance or regularity.

II. Distribute purified water rations to civilians willing to submit to genetic compliance screening. Participation in screening is compulsory for all civilians, and use of force is authorized in enforcement.

III. Genetic non-compliance offenders should be detained at checkpoint.

IV. To conserve consumption of Enclave resources, detainees should be disposed of by flame only when withholding facility becomes overcrowded, or detainees become unmanageable, whichever comes first.

===

Anyways . . . I'd assume it's going to be something where Autumn said he'll do the screenings but the "test" is just looking at someone and going, "Yep. You're definitely Human."

How genetically close were non mutated wastelanders to Enclave humans?

 

[ForeverShogo]

I'd assume Wasteland Humans and the "Pure" Humans of the Vaults or the Enclave are almost identical. Certainly nothing stopping them from making babies.

There's something for the Modified FEV to look for, certainly, but unless you're custom tailoring a bio-weapon I don't think the differences actually matter.

If someone was actually going to fail one of those tests it'd probably be because they have really fucky mutations. Or I guess a eugenics kind of thing where they decide to get rid of people with genetic disorders.

 

[TyrantTriumphant]

When you think about it, the NCR should honor President Autumn even more than the Enclave does.

The NCR knows about the FEV genocide plans and that Autumn was the one to change the Enclave from being genocidal after taking power in a coup, even if they still think the Enclave is a racist fascist police state.

Casandra Moore even acknowledged that if the Enclave was aiming for genocide they would have done it by now.

It's ironic that the NCR who hates the memory of Autumn knows that he saved the world, while the Enclave who loves him does not.

 

[Navarro]

There's something for the Modified FEV to look for, certainly, but unless you're custom tailoring a bio-weapon I don't think the differences actually matter.

I mean, Curling-13 is just a bioweapon targeted to kill humans. The V13 peeps died of it, and the Enclave were immunising themselves at the time the Chosen One arrived.

The only evidence that it specifically targets "mutants" is that the V13 people took longer to die, but they would have been generally healthier due to being Vault Dwellers and not dirt-poor tribals.

 

[lloyd007]

Eh. I feel like blaming Eden for that is a total cop out. To just be like, "Nope. Every bad thing ever was all Eden."

But just so people will know what the genetic screenings are in relation to, this is the actual policy for the "Constituency Enforcement Points".

I don't really see people trying to say Autumn is a nice guy blameless in all things, but Eden was the standard bearer for the 'Richardson' portion of the Enclave at Raven Rock while, whatever the faults / flaws of Autumn's policies on genetic testing, even canonically where he was railroaded by the plot into saying 'Screw you in particular Lone Wanderer' he was against using Project Purity to enact Richardson's Plan A and so wouldn't have been in favor of using genetic screening sites to wipe out wastelanders who would welcome the Enclave as a change from the endless chaos of the wasteland, but were 'genetically unclean.'

 

[Navarro]

Just to make plain the force dispositions and movements in case anyone got lost:

NCR/BoS:

Operation Kodiak units, under command of Gen. Lance Robertson, designated Northern Army Group:

* NCR Fifth Field Army, besieging AFB O'Hare under Gen. Robertson, 100,000
* NCR Sixteenth Corps, besieging AFB O'Hare under Lt. General Hanlon w/ Robertson, 30,000
* NCR Nineteenth Corps, arriving soon from Davenport under Lt. General Crocker w/ elements of Sixteenth Corps, 60,000

*NCR Eighth and Twelfth Field Armies, under Gen. Rodrigo Ortez, wintering in Indianapolis and hoping supply lines clear up, 200,000

*NCR Tenth Field Army, under Gen. Harold Friedman, moving to counter US offensive into Missouri and prevent relief of St. Louis, 100,000,
*

Texan Units:

*NCR Fourth Field Army w/ elements of Second and Third Field Armies under Gen. Maguire, occupying Albuquerque, Tulsa, Oklahoma City, Lubbock and Amarillo
*4 Corps of LSR Army soldiers, trying to stem off increasing numbers of desertions to Armstead Govt.

BOS:

10,000 PA soldiers under Pal-Comdr. Lyons, engaged in siege of O'Hare.
10,000 PA soldiers under Pal-Comdr. McNamara, engaged in partisan suppression activities in western Illinois.
20,000 PA soldiers under Pal-Comdr. Anderson, engaged in siege of St. Louis
70,000 PA soldiers under Sentinel Royce, moving to counter US offensive into Missouri.

US forces:

Task Force Adamant Eagle - 3 US Army Corps and one USMC Expeditionary Force, under Gen. Alexander Autumn, en route to relieve AFB O'Hare, 128,000 men

Task Force Lambent Spear - 1 US Army Corps, 1 LSR Army Corps, under Gen. Christine Curling, moving overland to relieve siege of St. Louis, 58,000 men available of 64,000

Task Force Azure Fury, moving along the Misssissippi River to relieve siege of St. Louis, 1 USMC Expeditionary Force and 1 US Army Corps under Gen. Theodore Dornan 58,000 men available of 64,000