TyrantTriumphant
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The NCR could have joined in on the space race too if only they'd listened to Mr. House. They'd of been better off if they'd listened him about a lot of issues.
Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]
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ForeverShogo
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As a bit of an aside, if we had taken all Polk wanted way back when (even with the concern over more slave states), it would have been interesting to see the effect it would have had on illegal immigration. While the border itself would only be somewhat smaller, but still kind of big, it also would have been quite a bit more mountainous.
Navarro
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Well, they did start off significantly behind and the long-term dividends of starting a space program from scratch just didn't seem to be sufficient to justify it over, say, new PA and tank factories.
The Real Lee
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I'd also think the US wouldn't take too kindly to the NCR having so much as a any sat in space, and taking out a satellite wouldn't start a war. Even if the NCR neglected making tank and power armor, it would be much harder to get a foothold in space.
Pre-war America had already militarized space. I wouldn't be surprised if they had anti-satellite tech invented, though not necessarily still active.
SuperHeavy
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Dust off the old ABM systems but upload the sensor returns of NCR satellites instead of Chinese warheads into the targeting computer, and bam!, anti-sat weapon. Failing that you just need a big enough laser and a telescope.
Aaron Fox
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Given that said ABM network managed to blunt the nuclear exchange enough that, despite being caught completely flatfooted, the US had anything resembling a future left (from the implications of at least one character, the rest of the world after that exchange makes the US look like paradise... if you can reach it)... I wouldn't be surprised that the old ABMs can do that.
Also, found a good armor design for the US:
ForeverShogo
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No. That's Hellcat Power Armor. Well, a rusted version.
This is T-65 Armor.
According to Fallout 76, that model of power armor was used by the Secret Service. You find it in Vault 79. The US Government secretly transferred the gold from Fort Knox to Vault 79 so that the Chinese wouldn't be able to destroy the US Gold Reserve if the Chinese targeted Fort Knox. It was also assumed that after a nuclear exchange the US government could use that gold to rebuild the economy. (The Secret Service was in charge of Vault 79.)
Hellcat Power Armor is used by Hellcat Company, a group of mercenaries. They have a logo of a demonic cat with the motto Mors Ex Mare . . . Which I guess is supposed to mean "death from the sea".
Given that Fallout 76 takes place only 25 years after the nukes launched, they might actually be what's left of a US Army Division. Historically, the Hellcats fought in the European Theater of World War 2 as the 12th Armored Division. Perhaps the division stuck around in the Fallout timeline or they're named for them, but between the appearance of the armor, their logo, and this line from the newscaster in Fallout 4 that people have taken as a reference to them, "All the easier for our mechanized hellcats to drive any screaming Commie meamies right into the Bohol Sea".
Well, as said, people think they might be a Pre-War unit turned mercenary and that Hellcat Power Armor was used for amphibious operations.
They work for a West Tek scientist named Blackburn. He hated and despised the mistake that was the Super Mutant, feeling guilty by association for every Wastelander menaced by them, and he was dedicated to doing everything he could to undo that mistake and make FEV into what it was meant to be. Not that he succeeded. Seems like all he ever did was make smarter but still violent super mutants, and when he tested what he thought was a "perfected" strain on himself after being backed into a corner all he managed was to turn himself into a smart Behemoth.
This is T-65 Armor.
According to Fallout 76, that model of power armor was used by the Secret Service. You find it in Vault 79. The US Government secretly transferred the gold from Fort Knox to Vault 79 so that the Chinese wouldn't be able to destroy the US Gold Reserve if the Chinese targeted Fort Knox. It was also assumed that after a nuclear exchange the US government could use that gold to rebuild the economy. (The Secret Service was in charge of Vault 79.)
Hellcat Power Armor is used by Hellcat Company, a group of mercenaries. They have a logo of a demonic cat with the motto Mors Ex Mare . . . Which I guess is supposed to mean "death from the sea".
Given that Fallout 76 takes place only 25 years after the nukes launched, they might actually be what's left of a US Army Division. Historically, the Hellcats fought in the European Theater of World War 2 as the 12th Armored Division. Perhaps the division stuck around in the Fallout timeline or they're named for them, but between the appearance of the armor, their logo, and this line from the newscaster in Fallout 4 that people have taken as a reference to them, "All the easier for our mechanized hellcats to drive any screaming Commie meamies right into the Bohol Sea".
Well, as said, people think they might be a Pre-War unit turned mercenary and that Hellcat Power Armor was used for amphibious operations.
They work for a West Tek scientist named Blackburn. He hated and despised the mistake that was the Super Mutant, feeling guilty by association for every Wastelander menaced by them, and he was dedicated to doing everything he could to undo that mistake and make FEV into what it was meant to be. Not that he succeeded. Seems like all he ever did was make smarter but still violent super mutants, and when he tested what he thought was a "perfected" strain on himself after being backed into a corner all he managed was to turn himself into a smart Behemoth.
Navarro
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Yeah, it looks better not rusted all over:
Make the eyes yellow-orange, not red, put a woodland camo pattern scheme as well, and I think that'd be a better look for the in-story T-108 than the fanart I'm currently using.
BTW, somebody actually made a mod for FO3 where you can join the Enclave. Surprised it took this long!
Make the eyes yellow-orange, not red, put a woodland camo pattern scheme as well, and I think that'd be a better look for the in-story T-108 than the fanart I'm currently using.
BTW, somebody actually made a mod for FO3 where you can join the Enclave. Surprised it took this long!
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SuperHeavy
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I mean you probably want to cut down the pauldrons by about 2/3s, internalize those hoses, and armor up that midsection. Lord only knows many US soldiers died when their air supply was comprised thanks to exposed rubber tubing. Just look at this thing, it is waiting for a ricochet or shrapnel to cause problems.
Aaron Fox
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From what I remember, that's because there is a lot of code to go through, and given how spaghetti code Gamebryo/Creation is...
The Real Lee
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What mod are you talking about?
Navarro
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Informational: E-US High School Lesson Plans
Navarro
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Wrote this to get past writers' block, enjoy.
==*==
The following is a summary of the typical high school curriculum and lesson plans used in the United States of America from 2320 onward. It must be noted that this only represents a template favoured by the US Department of Education and is often subject to modification based on local conditions, including the whims of Commonwealth or State officials or the desires of elected local school boards. In addition, the subjects themselves are taught in a structural patriotic context given their intent to make well-adjusted, well-rounded citizens (and it might be noted, already with a basic inclination toward military service) out of unruly teenage boys and girls.
Monday
07:00 Arrival at school, assembly in front of school. Pledge of Allegiance followed by singing of national anthem.
07:10 Cold shower in preparation for physical education.
07:15 Physical Education – calisthenics and general fitness. Slackers given 30 extra minutes under supervision of instructor.
08:00 American History – 1776-2077. Emphasis on military history. Slight pro-Federalist slant in depictions of post-revolutionary turmoils, pro-Union emphasis in ACW. 1941-2077 period, inc. WW2, taught as one long conflict with communism in various manifestations. Glorified Presidents -Washington, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Nixon, Reagan, A. F. Jones.
09:00 Physics. Gravitation, electromagnetics, radiation, etc.
10:00 Literature. Most favoured authors are George Orwell, William, Shakespeare, Arthur Koestler, Tolkien, Rudyard Kipling, Margaret Mitchell, Jane Austen, Whittaker Chambers, Goethe. In Latin areas Cervantes or other Spanish authors are often inserted.
11:00 Civics – Study of Constitution, laws, structure of government etc. American system emphasised as best, others seen as flawed imitations.
12:00 Lunch.
12:30 Free time – opportunity to socialise, study etc. Unruly students sent to Principal’s office for detention or corporal punishment.
13:00 Mathematics – Algebra
14:00 Chemistry – periodic table, structure of atoms, etc.
15:00 Biology – Evolution, genetics, etc.
16:00 End of school.
Tuesday
07:00 Arrival at school, assembly in front of school. Pledge of Allegiance followed by singing of national anthem.
07:10 Cold shower in preparation for physical education.
07:15 Phys ed – swimming. Slackers given extra thirty minutes under instructor.
08:00 American History – 2077- Narrative of Federal Government’s survival through nuclear war of 2077 and following disasters strongly emphasised. What little of “local” post-War history is taught largely emphasises atrocities of raiders, super mutants, “illegal governments”. Three Presidents strongly emphasised – Richardson, treated as “70% right 30% wrong” figure who despite his flaws initiated reclamation of mainland, with his genocidal attitudes having long been suppressed, treated as martyr to cause of reclamation; Eden, seen as tragic hero who set up the reclamation but died before it could really begin; Autumn, flat-out glorified.
09:00 English language class.
10:00 Literature. Favoured authors are George Orwell, Arthur Koestler, Tolkien, Rudyard Kipling, Margaret Mitchell, Jane Austen, Whittaker Chambers, Goethe. In Latin areas Cervantes or other Spanish authors are often inserted.
11:00 German language class. German is considered the most likely foreign language for an American to know at least some of.
12:00 Lunch.
12:30 Free time – opportunity to socialise, study etc. Unruly students sent to Principal’s office for detention or corporal punishment.
13:00 Business and economics – emphasis on practical economic skills, theory emphasises classical econ,
14:00 Mathematics – geometry.
15:00 Writing and composition.
16:00 End of school.
Wednesday
07:00 Arrival at school, assembly in front of school. Pledge of Allegiance followed by singing of national anthem.
07:10 Cold shower in preparation for physical education.
07:15 Phys ed – firearms. Basic firearm maintenance and safety, followed by marksmanship with non-dangerous “laser tag”-style mock laser weapons.
08:00 American History – 2077 onwards. Narrative of Federal Government’s survival through nuclear war of 2077 and following disasters strongly emphasised. What little of “local” post-War history is taught largely emphasises atrocities of raiders, super mutants, “illegal governments”. Three Presidents strongly emphasised – Richardson, treated as “70% right 30% wrong” figure who despite his flaws initiated reclamation of mainland, with his genocidal attitudes having long been suppressed, treated as martyr to cause of reclamation; Eden, seen as tragic hero who set up the reclamation but died before it could really begin; Autumn, flat-out glorified.
09:00 Spanish language class. In Latin areas taught as a native language, in non-Latin areas more as a foreign one. Generally Caribbean dialects are taught. In areas with little practical application of language, much is often forgotten.
10:00 Speech class.
11:00 Art class. Generally forgettable. Abstract art looked down on.
12:00 Lunch.
12:30 Free time – opportunity to socialise, study etc. Unruly students sent to Principal’s office for detention or corporal punishment.
13:00 Home econ – generally practical economic skills for day to day life.
14:00 Geography – countries of the world and areas within United States. Maps display US as a whole country owning its pre-War borders plus post-War annexations, areas occupied by “insurrectionists and rebels” marked in striped colours. Maps lack firm information beyond start of West Russian Death Zone, the Pacific coast of the American continents, and the coast of the Mediterranean. Countries are not displayed in these areas, only regions and other geographic areas.
15:00 Music class.
16:00 End of school.
Thursday
07:00 Arrival at school, assembly in front of school. Pledge of Allegiance followed by singing of national anthem.
07:10 Cold shower in preparation for physical education.
07:15 Phys ed – cardio. Endurance running to build stamina and burn fat. Slackers given an extra thirty minutes.
08:00 World history. Generally emphasises development of civilisation dating back from Greece and Rome; US viewed as inheritor of these ancients. In Spanish-speaking areas Columbus and conquistadors are emphasised, in majority of country the pioneers of Jamestown and the Mayflower. Both are seen as precursors to 19th century pioneers and the current US government’s mission to restore civilisation to the North American continent. Medieval history emphasises England and Spain, 19th to 21st rise of communism in various countries (Russia, Germany and China) and global struggles against it culminating in 2077.
09:00 Law.
10:00 Cooking.
11:00 First aid training.
12:00 Lunch.
12:30 Free time – opportunity to socialise, study etc. Unruly students sent to Principal’s office for detention or corporal punishment.
13:00 Maths – trigonometry.
14:00 Maths – calculus.
15:00 Physics.
16:00 End of school.
Friday
07:00 Arrival at school, assembly in front of school. Pledge of Allegiance followed by singing of national anthem.
07:10 Cold shower in preparation for physical education.
07:15 Phys ed – team sports.
08:00 Computers and robotics class.
09:00 Civics class,
10:00 Religious studies.
11:00 Maths – probability.
12:00 Lunch.
12:30 Free time – opportunity to socialise, study etc. Unruly students sent to Principal’s office for detention or corporal punishment.
13:00 Health class.
14:00 Driving education.
15:00 Workshop.
16:00 End of school.
==*==
The following is a summary of the typical high school curriculum and lesson plans used in the United States of America from 2320 onward. It must be noted that this only represents a template favoured by the US Department of Education and is often subject to modification based on local conditions, including the whims of Commonwealth or State officials or the desires of elected local school boards. In addition, the subjects themselves are taught in a structural patriotic context given their intent to make well-adjusted, well-rounded citizens (and it might be noted, already with a basic inclination toward military service) out of unruly teenage boys and girls.
Monday
07:00 Arrival at school, assembly in front of school. Pledge of Allegiance followed by singing of national anthem.
07:10 Cold shower in preparation for physical education.
07:15 Physical Education – calisthenics and general fitness. Slackers given 30 extra minutes under supervision of instructor.
08:00 American History – 1776-2077. Emphasis on military history. Slight pro-Federalist slant in depictions of post-revolutionary turmoils, pro-Union emphasis in ACW. 1941-2077 period, inc. WW2, taught as one long conflict with communism in various manifestations. Glorified Presidents -Washington, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Nixon, Reagan, A. F. Jones.
09:00 Physics. Gravitation, electromagnetics, radiation, etc.
10:00 Literature. Most favoured authors are George Orwell, William, Shakespeare, Arthur Koestler, Tolkien, Rudyard Kipling, Margaret Mitchell, Jane Austen, Whittaker Chambers, Goethe. In Latin areas Cervantes or other Spanish authors are often inserted.
11:00 Civics – Study of Constitution, laws, structure of government etc. American system emphasised as best, others seen as flawed imitations.
12:00 Lunch.
12:30 Free time – opportunity to socialise, study etc. Unruly students sent to Principal’s office for detention or corporal punishment.
13:00 Mathematics – Algebra
14:00 Chemistry – periodic table, structure of atoms, etc.
15:00 Biology – Evolution, genetics, etc.
16:00 End of school.
Tuesday
07:00 Arrival at school, assembly in front of school. Pledge of Allegiance followed by singing of national anthem.
07:10 Cold shower in preparation for physical education.
07:15 Phys ed – swimming. Slackers given extra thirty minutes under instructor.
08:00 American History – 2077- Narrative of Federal Government’s survival through nuclear war of 2077 and following disasters strongly emphasised. What little of “local” post-War history is taught largely emphasises atrocities of raiders, super mutants, “illegal governments”. Three Presidents strongly emphasised – Richardson, treated as “70% right 30% wrong” figure who despite his flaws initiated reclamation of mainland, with his genocidal attitudes having long been suppressed, treated as martyr to cause of reclamation; Eden, seen as tragic hero who set up the reclamation but died before it could really begin; Autumn, flat-out glorified.
09:00 English language class.
10:00 Literature. Favoured authors are George Orwell, Arthur Koestler, Tolkien, Rudyard Kipling, Margaret Mitchell, Jane Austen, Whittaker Chambers, Goethe. In Latin areas Cervantes or other Spanish authors are often inserted.
11:00 German language class. German is considered the most likely foreign language for an American to know at least some of.
12:00 Lunch.
12:30 Free time – opportunity to socialise, study etc. Unruly students sent to Principal’s office for detention or corporal punishment.
13:00 Business and economics – emphasis on practical economic skills, theory emphasises classical econ,
14:00 Mathematics – geometry.
15:00 Writing and composition.
16:00 End of school.
Wednesday
07:00 Arrival at school, assembly in front of school. Pledge of Allegiance followed by singing of national anthem.
07:10 Cold shower in preparation for physical education.
07:15 Phys ed – firearms. Basic firearm maintenance and safety, followed by marksmanship with non-dangerous “laser tag”-style mock laser weapons.
08:00 American History – 2077 onwards. Narrative of Federal Government’s survival through nuclear war of 2077 and following disasters strongly emphasised. What little of “local” post-War history is taught largely emphasises atrocities of raiders, super mutants, “illegal governments”. Three Presidents strongly emphasised – Richardson, treated as “70% right 30% wrong” figure who despite his flaws initiated reclamation of mainland, with his genocidal attitudes having long been suppressed, treated as martyr to cause of reclamation; Eden, seen as tragic hero who set up the reclamation but died before it could really begin; Autumn, flat-out glorified.
09:00 Spanish language class. In Latin areas taught as a native language, in non-Latin areas more as a foreign one. Generally Caribbean dialects are taught. In areas with little practical application of language, much is often forgotten.
10:00 Speech class.
11:00 Art class. Generally forgettable. Abstract art looked down on.
12:00 Lunch.
12:30 Free time – opportunity to socialise, study etc. Unruly students sent to Principal’s office for detention or corporal punishment.
13:00 Home econ – generally practical economic skills for day to day life.
14:00 Geography – countries of the world and areas within United States. Maps display US as a whole country owning its pre-War borders plus post-War annexations, areas occupied by “insurrectionists and rebels” marked in striped colours. Maps lack firm information beyond start of West Russian Death Zone, the Pacific coast of the American continents, and the coast of the Mediterranean. Countries are not displayed in these areas, only regions and other geographic areas.
15:00 Music class.
16:00 End of school.
Thursday
07:00 Arrival at school, assembly in front of school. Pledge of Allegiance followed by singing of national anthem.
07:10 Cold shower in preparation for physical education.
07:15 Phys ed – cardio. Endurance running to build stamina and burn fat. Slackers given an extra thirty minutes.
08:00 World history. Generally emphasises development of civilisation dating back from Greece and Rome; US viewed as inheritor of these ancients. In Spanish-speaking areas Columbus and conquistadors are emphasised, in majority of country the pioneers of Jamestown and the Mayflower. Both are seen as precursors to 19th century pioneers and the current US government’s mission to restore civilisation to the North American continent. Medieval history emphasises England and Spain, 19th to 21st rise of communism in various countries (Russia, Germany and China) and global struggles against it culminating in 2077.
09:00 Law.
10:00 Cooking.
11:00 First aid training.
12:00 Lunch.
12:30 Free time – opportunity to socialise, study etc. Unruly students sent to Principal’s office for detention or corporal punishment.
13:00 Maths – trigonometry.
14:00 Maths – calculus.
15:00 Physics.
16:00 End of school.
Friday
07:00 Arrival at school, assembly in front of school. Pledge of Allegiance followed by singing of national anthem.
07:10 Cold shower in preparation for physical education.
07:15 Phys ed – team sports.
08:00 Computers and robotics class.
09:00 Civics class,
10:00 Religious studies.
11:00 Maths – probability.
12:00 Lunch.
12:30 Free time – opportunity to socialise, study etc. Unruly students sent to Principal’s office for detention or corporal punishment.
13:00 Health class.
14:00 Driving education.
15:00 Workshop.
16:00 End of school.
SuperHeavy
Well-known member
Man the Russian Tourism Board will never catch a break in this or any other universe.
TyrantTriumphant
Well-known member
I'd be very interested in more details about what the Enclave says about Richardson and Eden. Particularly what that 30% wrong that Richardson did is since they don't believe in the genocide plot.
Aaron Fox
Well-known member
From my understanding, Richardson's genocide plot was only accepted by a tiny fraction of the Enclave and that faction was centered around the Rig. The majority of the Enclave we encounter on the field is less accepting of outright genocide (exterminate bandits? Sure, what sane civilization doesn't go out of their way to exterminate bandits? Genocide? Yeah, no.) and more akin to what I would call the 'Pheniox' faction which is more restore the US to its former glory...
DivideWalker
New member
Finally registering for a forum account, been following quietly since Autumn Morning. Never got around to doing any of...this. That said, some light commenting and questioning, since I've recently re-read the whole shebang.
Autumn Morning Chapters ~18-21: Cheeky Worm reference, a Colonel Hebert from "Brockton".
Interquel: Wish we'd gotten Northern Chill finished off. I adore navy things.
Modern map: I can't quite see, but does Germany hold Elsaß-Lothringen? It does belong to her...
Chapter 24: Praise be to the battleships, may carriers falter before their guns! Even US carriers.
Autumn Morning Chapters ~18-21: Cheeky Worm reference, a Colonel Hebert from "Brockton".
Interquel: Wish we'd gotten Northern Chill finished off. I adore navy things.
Modern map: I can't quite see, but does Germany hold Elsaß-Lothringen? It does belong to her...
Chapter 24: Praise be to the battleships, may carriers falter before their guns! Even US carriers.
Paladin Wulfen
Well-known member
West Russian Death Zone ?
f1onagher
Well-known member
Taking a wild guess it's the radioactive remains of the more urbanized western Russian regions. I doubt the E!USA gives much of a damn about Siberia.
I wonder what the average American knows about California? Just standard propaganda about rebels or maybe something more detailed? Technically speaking the NCR was the first fully-formed American successor state to crawl out of the ashes and that has to be of at least academic interest. Do the Minutemen and the Commonwealth Provisional Government get any credit in Massachusetts or are they papered over too?