Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]

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Navarro said:
The properly-working new thruster moved Bradley-Hercules into a new orbit, one that took it over the North Atlantic, South Pacific, and – most importantly – Texas.
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Makes sense, plenty of NCR/Brotherhood forces in the area and it has no ballistic defenses. If I remember correctly that killsat is loaded with mini-nukes so it can be used tactically and not just for city busting.
Navarro said:
Five of her eleven sister ships – the NCS Valdez, the vessel that had brought Arroyo’s now-deceased Chosen One to the Enclave oil rig, foremost among them – had been recovered by the NCR and painstakingly converted into warships.
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Well I definitely did not see the world's largest technicals coming, nicely done. How well the superstructure and keel stands up to firing naval artillery should be interesting. Honestly the NCR may have wasted their time with these but I can see how no naval battles for 200 years leads to a bigger is always better mentality. The AA systems having less advanced targeting systems the late-WWII US navy is also less than reassuring.
Navarro said:
“As I said, even if they do have nukes and they do fire them, our defence grid will keep us safe. The NCR has nothing to fear from an Enclave nuclear strike.”
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US Navy:*laughs in submarine*
 
The NCR should seriously do more espionage. Because the whole of thier knowledge is highly inaccurate. The US seems to have basically all the cards. It's gonna be good.
 
My money is split between Cloud derived chemical weapons and that they made some breakthroughs at Area 51 via MAD SCIENCE. Though if they go that far the US has everything from a possibly enhanced Curling-13 to nuclear-tipped cruise missiles. It's a regular who's who of potential warcrimes.
 
SuperHeavy said:
Makes sense, plenty of NCR/Brotherhood forces in the area and it has no ballistic defenses. If I remember correctly that killsat is loaded with mini-nukes so it can be used tactically and not just for city busting.
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One salvo also pretty much levels the Pentagon if you use it there.

Well I definitely did not see the world's largest technicals coming, nicely done. How well the superstructure and keel stands up to firing naval artillery should be interesting. Honestly the NCR may have wasted their time with these but I can see how no naval battles for 200 years leads to a bigger is always better mentality.
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Why do you think the NCR haven't tested how their planned naval game changers stand up to firing shells in combat? The Valdez-class has other flaws. Ones that are unavoidable precisely as a result of how big they are.

US Navy:*laughs in submarine*
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SLBMs were exactly what Mr. House's defence lasers held up nigh-perfectly against.
 
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Wow, I hope their Enclave expert gets the boot when its found that he’s hilariously wrong about the whole oppression thing and actual capabilitues
 
Navarro said:
Why do you think the NCR haven't tested how their planned naval game changers stand up to firing shells in combat? The Valdez-class has other flaws. Ones that are unavoidable precisely as a result of how big they are.
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Because naval ships have to be literally built around their turrets and the stress they cause the frame. A oil tanker is built around carrying giant tanks of liquid as safely as possible. To get around this the NCR would have to hallow out the ships to the keel and almost totally rebuild the vessel. If they did that then they should be able to stand up to the recoil just fine, I just did not get the impression they went that far.
 
Well, well. This is a surprise.

Also surprised that the US Army is smaller than that being fielded by its enemies, since it should be able to mobilize more people, but then the story mentioned that the NCR was lowering the age of conscription to 17. I'm assuming that, were this Hearts of Iron 4, the USA would still be on Volunteer Only while the NCR is already on Extensive Conscription.

Speaking of . . . Nice to see elements of the Republic of the Rio Grande. Even if they aren't taken whole cloth, they were the most interesting Mexican faction in the Old World Blues mod.

And since people are talking about it . . . I imagine one of the issues with converting those ridiculously huge oil tankers into warships is that it's time and effort that could have been directed toward building more practical ships. Because they sound like boondoggles that are going to result in the NCR losing the naval war. And if that happens, it's going to be hard to ferry those hundreds of thousands of Colombians and Chinese. (Even if they sound like cannon fodder judging by the US slapping the Colombians down previously.)

To answer some stuff I've seen mentioned in this thread . . .

Not sure if the Panama Canal has been repaired or is in use. Especially with proximity to Gran Colombia. But in this story there is more than one canal. I believe the US has mostly been using the Nicaragua Canal, which the Pre-Apocalypse US dug with nukes.

And for those who missed the preceding stories . . . The POD for this story is the Lone Wanderer successfully joining the Enclave and acting on Autumn's behalf during the events of Fallout 3. The first story had the Enclave as envisioned by Autumn replacing the Brotherhood of Steel for the events of Fallout 4 and built on things from there.

Anyways, for shits and giggles I decided to attempt to update my own map for this story. I think the Rio Grande is mostly correct, though I'm basically guessing for Gran Colombia and the Third Mexican Empire.

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And it's looking like I'm going to need to start using a bigger map now that nations outside of North America have started becoming relevant.
 
ForeverShogo said:
Well, well. This is a surprise.

Also surprised that the US Army is smaller than that being fielded by its enemies, since it should be able to mobilize more people, but then the story mentioned that the NCR was lowering the age of conscription to 17. I'm assuming that, were this Hearts of Iron 4, the USA would still be on Volunteer Only while the NCR is already on Extensive Conscription.
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The US military is smaller, but they have a larger manpower pool to draw from. Motivation to join has also been at a low ebb for the past two decades as literally every war since Ronto has been a case of "US Army/Marines show up, casually wipe the floor with the enemy taking minimal casualties". This is largely because they're the best-trained and equipped military in the world, but it still breeds overconfidence. Also, more recruits go into the National Guard than the regular military since discipline is laxer and they get way more time off duty.

The USA has more suits of power armour than soldiers to fill them.

BTW, those two small islands west of Puerto Rico need to be coloured blue as well. The USA also owns the Windwards.

Speaking of . . . Nice to see elements of the Republic of the Rio Grande. Even if they aren't taken whole cloth, they were the most interesting Mexican faction in the Old World Blues mod.
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I did think about mentioning Tlaloc, but he just doesn't fit in my version of the Fallout universe.
And since people are talking about it . . . I imagine one of the issues with converting those ridiculously huge oil tankers into warships is that it's time and effort that could have been directed toward building more practical ships. Because they sound like boondoggles that are going to result in the NCR losing the naval war. And if that happens, it's going to be hard to ferry those hundreds of thousands of Colombians and Chinese. (Even if they sound like cannon fodder judging by the US slapping the Colombians down previously.)
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The Chinese aren't cannon fodder. The Chinese are actually pretty scary. You're right about the Colombians though -they're only WW2 level. They don't even have assault rifles.

To answer some stuff I've seen mentioned in this thread . . .

Not sure if the Panama Canal has been repaired or is in use. Especially with proximity to Gran Colombia. But in this story there is more than one canal. I believe the US has mostly been using the Nicaragua Canal, which the Pre-Apocalypse US dug with nukes.

And for those who missed the preceding stories . . . The POD for this story is the Lone Wanderer successfully joining the Enclave and acting on Autumn's behalf during the events of Fallout 3. The first story had the Enclave as envisioned by Autumn replacing the Brotherhood of Steel for the events of Fallout 4 and built on things from there.
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Yeah. Autumn Morning was easier - I could expect the audience to know what the FO4 factions were like and know roughly what Autumn's Enclave was like. Here I have to spend 5 chapters setting the scene.

Anyways, for shits and giggles I decided to attempt to update my own map for this story. I think the Rio Grande is mostly correct, though I'm basically guessing for Gran Colombia and the Third Mexican Empire.

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And it's looking like I'm going to need to start using a bigger map now that nations outside of North America have started becoming relevant.
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I'm gonna make an official world map.

CarlManvers2019 said:
Wow, I hope their Enclave expert gets the boot when its found that he’s hilariously wrong about the whole oppression thing and actual capabilitues
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His pompousness and stubbornness get him a comeuppance for sure, but it's pretty late.

High Lord Rokland said:
What are the NCR thinking?
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"We need more soldiers, and these PRC remnants have pretty good troops and don't want America to rise again."
 
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@Navarro
Any chance this advisor will be booted on the basis that when they were expecting an easy and even frankly highly supported occupation of Enclave Territory by those “oppressed” they ended up having to deal with well armed rebellious populaces

Making use of those First Amendment rights that will be repealed by those assholes in California

Question, in-regards to NCR Foreign relations, just how many people actually fall into the Anti-Enclave propoganda when fact-of-the-matter is that Enclave Personnel when met are really civil and polite and even then there’s not much outright proof that they’re doing anything real horrible
 
Hmm. Wasn't expecting that. From the sound of things when China came up before, I expected the remnants of the PRC to be in a pretty broken state.

And it's probably meaningless at this point if you're doing it yourself . . . But this is just me goofing off and trying to adapt what I already had into a more global map.

Did tweak the colors and a blob or two to sort of match what you had. A little bit. Though the diagonal stripes through Lonestar to show them as contested is something too tedious for me to bother with.

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All the advances an either side is making me curious if the Brotherhood has leveraged their existing technical know-how over last couple decades as well. That and turning their bunker cities into something that would make Vault-Tec weep in envy. They have to know they will be under the gun of the most technologically advanced faction soon enough.
 
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