Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]

SuperHeavy

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Now its industrial capacity is about 25% of what it was before being destroyed.
That is rather impressive given how the city got hit with nuclear weapons and left to rot for 200 years. The US really did build to last back in the day.
Since the NCR is making use of Roboscorpions, what Robots does the Enclave have access to?
We know they have the designs from every Pre-War unit in wider circulation, whatever the CIT had, and the results of decades of R&D. Which could include a suped-up Liberty Prime sporting anything from a fusion jetpack to should mounted fusion cannons.
 

CarlManvers2019

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The containment and coolant systems for a 5,000-degree-Celsius plasma beam moving at supersonic speeds are still a bit too bulky for Liberty Prime, sadly. Never mind two ...

Why spend so much resources on one giant superweapon when you can spend it on thousands of smaller ones?

Say, in the Enclave’s conquests, did they ever discover anything real weird?

Like entire underground civilizations of insane and deformed mutants or highly isolated inbred cult populations that mutated into large monsters capable of tearing bears apart?
 
M-82 Fusion Cannon

Navarro

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Looking back through my notes ... ah!

M-82 Fusion Cannon

The primary weapon of the M-75 Custer MBT and M-80 Constantine super-heavy tank, the M-82 Fusion Cannon - a product of cutting-edge American science whose design was influenced by the main weapon on the superheavy combat robot "Liberty Prime" - functions by channeling plasma from the tank's internal fusion plant at extremely high velocities by magnetic acceleration, creating a short-lived beam of extremely high-temperature plasma which is 105mm in diameter and up to a kilometre in length.

As the plasma comprising the beam is under such intense forces, it actually undergoes nuclear fusion on the way to the target, creating temperatures similar to those experienced at the surface of the sun. A "fusion beam" does not resemble infantry-held plasma weapons – it appears as an extraordinarily-bright blue-white beam which instantly annihilates directly-exposed organic targets, leaving drifting ash behind and burn shadows on vertical and horizontal surfaces, while creating an explosion on impacting any solid target through the rapid expansion of superheated air and vaporised solid material, of a yield equivalent to 70kg of TNT. Organic targets at a larger radius from the point of impact are carbonised into charcoal or undergo auto-ignition, though their being caught in the resultant explosion anyway renders this moot.

Even duraframe armor is reduced to twisted slag, and the beam's effectiveness is such that the weapon's barrel itself threatens to destroy itself if the beam is fired for more than seven seconds at a time – hence both Custer and Constantine tanks have inbuilt limiters shutting down the weapon after five seconds of continuous firing.

The fusion cannon also releases a degree of ionising radiation into the environment from the fusion reaction which provides its intense heat, which is a reason Custer and Constantine tanks are typically not assigned to non power-armoured formations. Attempts to put fusion cannons on aircraft ended in disastrous failure - at sea they are worse than useless due to being unable to fire over the horizon. Attempts to create a smaller version as an infantry heavy weapon also failed due to an inability to put enough protective shielding on the barrel without weighing down even a power-armoured soldier.

Still sounds like one to me

It's exactly so much as a superweapon as an Abrams' main gun is (given that the Custer is based on the Abrams, this is particular apposite).
 

CarlManvers2019

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I thought you were talking about the fusion cannon, apologies.

It’s okay, still gotta say, I bet Liberty Prime could be a sort of symbol and morale raiser

Not just because of its power, but knowing it is an artefact of Pre-War America fighting on the REAL America’s side

While constantly spouting Anti-Communist Propoganda, because why not
 

ForeverShogo

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I mean, the Enclave couldn't take it down without resorting to orbital bombardment when it was used against them in canon. And it even blows up Raven Rock if you didn't blow it up yourself.

And he already chucks nukes like footballs and has ridiculously powerful eye lasers. Just upgrade the eye lasers instead of adding shoulder cannons.

Liberty Prime is a beefy boy.

As for regular robots . . . I imagine the US military is mostly using improvements to the Sentry Bot and Assaultron concepts. Maybe incorporating improved versions of the Gen 2 Synths as well. With those three models basically being their light, medium, and heavy robots. (And Liberty Primes are their super heavies.)
 

Navarro

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Overall the build to this point has been good. You definitely made the right choice in having a long timeline. Any battle between post Fallout 3 Enclave and post New Vegas NCR besides small units would have been unbelievable. Thousands of miles and lack of a society capable of crossing it would have broken my SOD beyond belief.

It'd be logistically impossible, for one.

That said I do feel even with the decades of build up that some things seemed rushed. Having lots of new skyscrapers in D.C. for one. Even in today's world you have to travel to edge of the beltway to see really skyscrapers. The Enclave is all about Amercian history and regaining what was lost. I would then expect to see D.C. rebuilt with more lower level buildings. Not to mention that finding funds to build this gs like the mentioned freedom tower would be a massive project on a newly formed country that has to rebuild everything. To put it in perspective the REA was founded in 1934 to bring electricity to rual Amercia and it took till the 1970s for 98 percent of amercian farms to have electric power. That is 40 years in a county jail hat was not destroyed and facing manpower issues.

The skyscrapers are where they are IRL, and presumably were pre-War, on the other side of the river from the city of Washington DC, though still within DC proper - the Retrocession was reversed after the Capital Wasteland had been restored to some sort of order. Washington DC as it is right now would be pretty recognizable to somebody teleported there from RL, with a few striking differences:

1. National Cathedral now located three blocks west of Dupont Circle, looks like a clone of St. Paul's in London.
2. Central part of National Mall paved over, has giant triumphal arch located at west end. Presidential Inaugural Platform now a permanent stone construction.
3. Giant sports complex built in the suburbs to the north.
4. Metro, bus, streetcar and maglev-monorail networks ("there's a monorail network!") run by competing private companies.

Some buildings might look different, but generally it would be the same. As to the Liberty Tower, it's frankly much larger than the skyscrapers around it, which are shorter - but then it's projected to be a kilometre tall, it's certainly going to be!

So far it does seem like the NCR's post New Vegas bombing has created a bit of problem for them. The people ppl le in power or at least some of them like the advisor have brought their own hype. While the Enclave is more authoritarian then they would admit to the NCR has lost the the ability to really gauge the Enclaves actions and still have there veiw colored by the Oil Rig Enclave.

Yes. Though it's not entirely the NCR's fault, as the preview I posted demonstrates.

It also does not help that the NCR still seems to be in a version of the glided age. While nice safe roads and the mass adoption of trucks broke carvan compies others like the Brahmin barons still have their power unbroken.

The Brahmin Barons are frankly a lot weaker than they used to be. In the caravan era of the NCR they not only controlled a decent percentage of the food supply but had an almost complete lock on long-range transportation of goods and people.
But at least it seems the NCR has managed a fairly successful industrial build up. While their top of the line gear may not be better and they lack some assets like space nukes the Enclave will not be able to roll over them. But I do feel that the focus on the NCR heartland will hurt them. The fact th that they thought to remove the AA defense of FortHood shows that the NCR needs to start rethinking the current war soon or they will be fighting in Vegas in days.

The thing is, the NCR feels it can afford not to defend Texas that strongly since Texas isn't their territory. Also, a Texas that's ravaged by war is a Texas that won't be economically competitive with the NCR in their planned post-war.

So I am look in ng forward to seeing a real clash between the two superpowers without proxy fighters on any side. I honestly thing both are in for a surprise sn8ce they have not frouvht a true life or death battle for more then a generation. The Enclave's battle in Roto while hard if lost where not going to destroy the Enclave. Cause a massive set back but the Enclave would live on. The same with the NCR. While the Legion winning in New Vegas would hurt it would not destroy the NCR. The Legion was dead once Cesar died and fighting though mountains with short supply chains would lead to the NCR bleeding the Legion dry. The last existential fights was the D.C. brotherhood for the Enclave and the Enclave at the Oil Rig for the NCR. Both those are now outside living memory for them which causes a change in viewpoints of those making plans and those actually fighting the war.

Yes, very much this.
 
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SuperHeavy

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You thinking back on the BOS airship idea I totally forgot that have another option to keep something in the air. The Brotherhood could take the hover technology from the eyebot models, massively up-size it, and then juice the whole setup with a fusion plant or two.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Since Pulp Magazines are a thing again, any chance that they made or remade a new genre around wasteland adventurers?

Would essentially be Fallout game stories set in other lands than those shown in the main series
 

Navarro

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Since Pulp Magazines are a thing again, any chance that they made or remade a new genre around wasteland adventurers?

Would essentially be Fallout game stories set in other lands than those shown in the main series

Heh. Wasteland tales are the new Westerns (not that old Westerns have been abandoned). But in general, most pop culture from the revival-of-civilisation era save historical or fantasy works would be treated as science fiction IRL simply because their tech level is higher than our own in many respects.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Heh. Wasteland tales are the new Westerns (not that old Westerns have been abandoned). But in general, most pop culture from the revival-of-civilisation era save historical or fantasy works would be treated as science fiction IRL simply because their tech level is higher than our own in many respects.

I guess the revival of all the latter’s due to having loads of old files for pieces of fiction like HP Lovecraft and Robert E. Howard stored somewhere

No descendents to get property rights or money though
 

CarlManvers2019

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They're in the public domain in the 24th century, as they are today IRL, so the lack of traceable descendants doesn't really mean anything.

So anyone can publish books and sell them or essentially pirate them? Even for free

I’m guessing some guys defected to the Enclave just to get all the Grognak issues that were made before the bombs fell
 

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