Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]

[CarlManvers2019]

I know aesthetics are still sort of 1950s-esque but has the E-USA undergone a second sexual revolution or now has Rock&Roll but it’s patriotic AF

 

[TyrantTriumphant]

We already knew that the Enclave intelligence service was up to some pretty nasty stuff from that chapter with the NCR spy. I guess now we can find out more.

 

[ForeverShogo]

Unless I'm misunderstanding the question, Carl, Prewar America already had rock and roll just because Elvis still happened.

And just for pointless trivia, they actually used the existence of rock and roll as an excuse for Three Dog's behavior in Fallout 3. He grew up listening to rock and roll, and that just made him resent a government he had never known and believe that you have to stick it to The Man.

Then he turns around and becomes a Brotherhood cheerleader.

There's also something about him resenting the Enclave because Enclave Radio for years promised it was going to fix the Capital Wasteland, but never actually followed through. Even though he also didn't even think the Enclave was real until they seized Project Purity.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Unless I'm misunderstanding the question, Carl, Prewar America already had rock and roll just because Elvis still happened.

And just for pointless trivia, they actually used the existence of rock and roll as an excuse for Three Dog's behavior in Fallout 3. He grew up listening to rock and roll, and that just made him resent a government he had never known and believe that you have to stick it to The Man.

Then he turns around and becomes a Brotherhood cheerleader.

There's also something about him resenting the Enclave because Enclave Radio for years promised it was going to fix the Capital Wasteland, but never actually followed through. Even though he also didn't even think the Enclave was real until they seized Project Purity.

Don't remember that in the prequels

That said, I was sorta also thinking of this

 

[Crow gotta eat]

Don't remember that in the prequels

I think he just means in the games, as in Three Dog is all about "hating The Man" but then is a fan of the neo-feudalistic caste based society that is the Brotherhood of Steel.

Though that is probably because they looked like they were the only people doing anything about the Super Mutant and raider problems at first (the BoS were apparently the ones to drive the Super Mutants into the inner city). Also because Elder Lyons made the Brotherhood rather nice under his leadership so they were probably just looking like a bunch of nice tech-advanced tribals with their own personal traditions taking care of the problems that were long plaguing the Capital Wasteland.

I also highly doubt Three Dog liked what happens under Arthur Maxson when he became Elder of the East Coast BoS and they actually started making everyone their vassals. Elder Maxson himself was a weird mix of a traditionalist Brotherhood member and the radical that Elder Lyons was like, as he both collects advanced technology but was more than willing to trade it for food and medicine and allow outsiders to have any they already have.

So funnily enough Maxon still would have been more liberal (in the traditional sense) than this ATL's BoS. Though this policy was probably tolerated by the traditionalists in his Chapter because by eventually making people vassals of the BoS said technology would eventually come under their control either directly by adopting those who have it into the BoS ranks or indirectly by having them as vassals (if unofficial ones).

 

[Navarro]

According to the capital wasteland CC stuff, he apparently disappeared prior to the events of FO4 when the capital wasteland collapsed into anarchy.

 

[Crow gotta eat]

According to the capital wasteland CC stuff, he apparently disappeared prior to the events of FO4 when the capital wasteland collapsed into anarchy.

Is that even canon? Since I thought the Creation Club was more of a thing for Bethesda to monetize modding rather than any official story stuff.

 

[Zacharguy]

@Crow gotta eat it's lower-tier cannon only cannon if it is not contradicted by anything else

 

[ForeverShogo]

Creator Club is just paid user created mods. Nothing in it should be treated as canon unless it's actually created by Bethesda itself.

And the Capital Wasteland shouldn't be collapsing into anarchy. At least not before the events of Fallout 4.

Maybe if the Brotherhood expedition to the Commonwealth gets wiped out. But they tell you in Fallout 4 that the Brotherhood have imposed a kind of order on the Capital Wasteland. Though probably not an order Three Dog would appreciate.

 

[Floridaman]

Creator Club is just paid user created mods. Nothing in it should be treated as canon unless it's actually created by Bethesda itself.

And the Capital Wasteland shouldn't be collapsing into anarchy. At least not before the events of Fallout 4.

Maybe if the Brotherhood expedition to the Commonwealth gets wiped out. But they tell you in Fallout 4 that the Brotherhood have imposed a kind of order on the Capital Wasteland. Though probably not an order Three Dog would appreciate.

that mod was made by Bethesda.

 

[ForeverShogo]

I'm not seeing anything that would suggest Bethesda had anything to do with its creation. Just that they announced, "Here's something else a mod maker made."

The mod was made by Kris Takahashi, with a little support from two other modders who helped with art assets.

The creation club has a bunch of blatantly non-canonical things and nothing released on it should be treated as canon.

Say whatever the fuck you want about the Brotherhood, but I refuse to believe that they took literally everything and everyone with them to the Commonwealth such that the Capital Wasteland immediately fell into the lawless anarchy it was when the Lone Wanderer was around. It flies in the face of almost everything we've ever been told about the state of the Capital Wasteland, and not even the Brotherhood is that fucking dumb.

Though I could believe that Talon Company thinks the Capital Wasteland is easy enough pickings while the Brotherhood has spread itself thin that they think they can get away with seizing GNR. Even if I'm left wondering how the fuck Talon Company could possibly still exist.

Or maybe the Brotherhood just genuinely doesn't fucking care what happens to GNR and Three Dog anymore. Especially if they had a falling out after the rise of Arthur Maxson to power. Could be the only thing they give a shit about is actual settlements, like Megaton, since they're still distributing Aqua Pura.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

@Navarro
Say, did Enclave Scientists ever revive or recreate the Bald Eagle?

I’d think there would be some Vaults with people being made to work as animal breeders or horticulturalism or preserving animal and plant species

 

[Crow gotta eat]

You know, I can't help but wonder what the E-USA is going to do with tribal reservations the NCR has. Like at the end of F:NV one of the endings for the Great Khans was them siding with the NCR but then the NCR decided they wanted that spot of land they were on and decided to move them to another for barren place to live on as a reservation, which if I remember from the first fic's thread is the ending the Great Khans got in this universe.

Are they just going to full on integrate/assimilate any tribal reservation as normal towns and counties? Continue the reservation system? Something else?

I mean, I doubt any of the original Pre-War native tribes survived as the Great War without being assimilated into other post-war emerging tribal groups or settlement communities, whether willingly for survival's sake or because they were forcibly assimilated, so I doubt any treaties the USA had with them are still in effect. And I don't think they will want to restart it either.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

@Crow gotta eat
I think the Enclave might allow the people to own the land, but less as reservations but more as private property, they can buy and sell it if they want

Though, they may have even less care for PC ness or “reparations” because as MacCready said in-regards to Little Lamplight, they’re willing to destroy and replace entire ways of life

Even the more tolerant of the Enclave’s old guard may look at much of wastelander life and think of it as a devolution or degradation of pre-War life

Remember the mention of a preacher who got actual funding and became an actual priest? He was being funded by the Enclave, it’s not said but they probably look down on many of the post-apocalyptic cults/religions that popped up

 

[ForeverShogo]

If I recall, the Enclave isn't the least bit interested in preserving any kind of Reservation system and intends to integrate/assimilate everyone in North America.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

If I recall, the Enclave isn't the least bit interested in preserving any kind of Reservation system and intends to integrate/assimilate everyone in North America.

Plus, what makes tribals more special or truly different compared to the rest of those living in post-war America?

Hell, becoming actual tribes is like cosplay gone wrong or something, especially when they start making weird coming-of-age trials and get shamans and start speaking kinda weird and mystical

And not everyone lived as tribals, not sure what conditions result in tribal cultures in Fallout, but safe to say lots weren’t

 

[Crow gotta eat]

And not everyone lived as tribals, not sure what conditions result in tribal cultures in Fallout, but safe to say lots weren’t

Mostly people searching for symbols to connect themselves to. Or in case of some other tribes, actual descendants/break-aways from native tribes in North America, like how the Dead Horses were descendants of the parts of Navajo nation around Utah but then apparently a bunch of German tourists (and maybe other European tourists who also happened to speak German) were also stranded in their area after the apocalypse.

They even came together to form this new language based off of English, German, and Navajo after generations down the line of essentially becoming a single ethnicity and generally acted as a native people in the land.

Though generally, the lose of factories, the radiation killing fertile farmland and irradiating water, and the sudden lack of government broke everything down on a societal level. Also there are groups who consider themselves tribal even though they "look" and seem civilized, as the New Cannities did, or at least Joshua Graham did, as they were a linked chain of families who identified with each other and could depend on each other.

Tldr; The tribal people of Fallout essentially emerged out clans of families linking themselves together while trying to scavenge for essentials in the wastelands, while also sometimes fighting or trading with other tribal groups, while also looking for symbols to associate themselves with to differentiate themselves from other groups, whether those symbols were a specific religion, a specific type of clothing style, new traditions, or just deciding to dress-up as another culture from historical records they found.

 

[Navarro]

Was about halfway through, due to file shenanigans back to 15-20% through. This really is unlucky chapter 13.

 

[Remi-Boi]

@Navarro Have you tried using google docs to have a back-up, just in case? It should work.

 

[Aaron Fox]

@Navarro Have you tried using google docs to have a back-up, just in case? It should work.

It helps but it can go awry. That is why I have my Word setup have the automatic save feature active on my desktop.