Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]

[CarlManvers2019]

In my opinion the ideal ending is American dominated North America. Then unification of Earth and utter conquest of the Zetans. I'm a harcore nationalist though so my opinion is pretty biased.

Speaking of aliens, if this will be a Mass Effect crossover, how will the Zetans using different tech be explained?

 

[Lanmandragon]

Speaking of aliens, if this will be a Mass Effect crossover, how will the Zetans using different tech be explained?

No clue I wouldn't make it a crossover personally. Especially with mass effect(garbage) but it's not my story.

 

[Duke Nukem]

In my opinion the ideal ending is American dominated North America. Then unification of Earth and utter conquest of the Zetans. I'm a harcore nationalist though so my opinion is pretty biased.

Yeah The Holy american empire will purge the xeno filth for what they did to humans.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

No clue I wouldn't make it a crossover personally. Especially with mass effect(garbage) but it's not my story.

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Maybe Gate Jietai, if only because I think this fic might have been inspired by Navarro, also The Sole Survivor accidentally/unintentionally pissed off Gate Jietai's version of the PRC's leadership when he mentioned to the Japanese Diet about how the "Red Chinese" caused WWIII and JSDF by now know he kinda hates Communism

 

[Navarro]

Pitting an interstellar civilisation against Roman knockoffs that got curbstomped by modern forces?

 

[Lanmandragon]

YeahTh e Holy american empire will purge the xeno filth for what they did to humans.

For Washington all hail the POTUS.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Pitting an interstellar civilisation against Roman knockoffs that got cut stomped by modern forces?

Nah, to see said interstellar civilization try becoming an interdimensional civilization like David Weber's Hellgate series

After beating down said Roman knockoffs only to have to deal with said modern forces' equivalent of the PRC

 

[Crow gotta eat]

The complete world map.

Also it took some zooming in, but it looks like the UK also took over Coquelles and Calais areas and not just the Lower Normandy area. Does the Channel Tunnel exist in this universe and if it does, what state is it in and did it contribute to the French UK war that the E-USA intervened in?

 

[Zacharguy]

@Navarro How is the eastern star ngo going (for those who don't know the E-USA equivalent to the followers of the apocalypse)

 

[ForeverShogo]

Wonder why they want to annex the Philippines.

And really, what I want to see, is the eventual annexation of South America. The United States of America? No. The United States of North America? Nope. The United States of the Americas? So much yes.

 

[Crow gotta eat]

Hmmm, I can at least see why they would want to get Singapore. Singapore is a nice trade hub and has English as an official language and acts as a lingua franca in the city, so it would make sense for an "easier" expansion, because at least a lot of them probably still speak English in Fallout-verse, if not a heavily English-based language that has many elements from the other official and recognized languages of Singapore.

Though the actual state of it after the nukes fell is another question.

As for the Philippines, probably because the Philippines in real life has English as an official language so there would be a noticeable amount of people there who speak it even after the bombs fell in Fallout-verse presumably, it would also act as a nice base of operations near Asia so they won't have to worry about basing rights or anything if they actually own the territory it is set up in.

Plus you know, there was the actual Commonwealth of the Philippines which was under the United States (which is the reason for English being an official language there in real life) until their independence, which the United States can use to justify their annexation by saying they are regaining a "lost commonwealth" as it were. Even if that is really stretching their claims.

 

[SuperHeavy]

Wonder why they want to annex the Philippines.

And really, what I want to see, is the eventual annexation of South America. The United States of America? No. The United States of North America? Nope. The United States of the Americas? So much yes.

Well it is great jumping off point for projecting power into Asia and Australia without having to take over Japan or Taiwan. It is also large enough that you can shove in all the landing strips and military bases you want. Of course they will be incredibly busy getting all they NCR pacified and digging out the Brotherhood to expand on those islands for some time. The BOS is apparently dug in under the mountains meaning short of nuclear demolition charges is prying them out in a hurry.

 

[ForeverShogo]

Except you can't use the existence of the Commonwealth as a justification for annexation because the Commonwealth was explicitly created as a transitional government for the eventual independence of the Philippines. We even signed a treaty in which we explicitly relinquished all claims of sovereignty over the Philippine Islands. Though the Treaty of Manila did grant us basing rights.

Re-establishing those bases and a friendly Filipino government? Sure. But if one of your reasons for justifying the annexation is the presence of English speakers you might as well have the Enclave annex Australia, New Zealand, Britain, and Ireland.

Like, I know it's kind of goofy when I want the Enclave to eventually encompass all of the Americas . . . But annexing the Philippines still feels weird to me when, pretty much from the moment we came into possession of those islands, we intended to prepare them for independence.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Like, I know it's kind of goofy when I want the Enclave to eventually encompass all of the Americas . . .

Americas? It will just be America, both North & South America will then be legally classified as a "Single Continent"

 

[High Lord Rokland]

Wonder why they want to annex the Philippines.

And really, what I want to see, is the eventual annexation of South America. The United States of America? No. The United States of North America? Nope. The United States of the Americas? So much yes.

You gotta only expand to what you can hold, that can be the 2500 goal.

 

[Crow gotta eat]

Except you can't use the existence of the Commonwealth as a justification for annexation because the Commonwealth was explicitly created as a transitional government for the eventual independence of the Philippines. We even signed a treaty in which we explicitly relinquished all claims of sovereignty over the Philippine Islands. Though the Treaty of Manila did grant us basing rights.

Re-establishing those bases and a friendly Filipino government? Sure. But if one of your reasons for justifying the annexation is the presence of English speakers you might as well have the Enclave annex Australia, New Zealand, Britain, and Ireland.

Like, I know it's kind of goofy when I want the Enclave to eventually encompass all of the Americas . . . But annexing the Philippines still feels weird to me when, pretty much from the moment we came into possession of those islands, we intended to prepare them for independence.

I said that they were stretching their justification, not whether or not it was a good justification. And not only that, this is their territorial goals for 2400, who knows if they are going to accomplish all of it by that year, or if the next probably more democratic administrations are actually going to feel like they should annex them compared to the "martial law" administrations.

Plus this is me just vaguely guessing based on what we have provided to us by the author and what real-world knowledge I have, who knows if that actually aligns with the story reason. Maybe the Philippines is where the US stored something of MAD SCIENCE due to them being allies in the past, and this is the proposed making the most of the opportunity to take it back and get more land. Maybe the Philippines government that currently exists on those islands actually had a communist coup recently and they are using that as an excuse. Maybe they just plan to ask them with a large amount of technological bribes, infrastructure, and money to join the US. Maybe they'll just outright conquer them regardless. Who knows?

 

[Navarro]

If a nation controls Gibraltar, the Panama Canal, the suez, and the straits of Malacca, they already defacto control the world.

Don't forget the Strait of Nicaragua:

 

[AspblastUSA]

Like, I know it's kind of goofy when I want the Enclave to eventually encompass all of the Americas . . . But annexing the Philippines still feels weird to me when, pretty much from the moment we came into possession of those islands, we intended to prepare them for independence.

I had figured it was a change in strategic thinking brought about by WWIII. There are a number of minor islands under US control, but if controlling the South China Sea and keeping China down ensuring peace and democratic government is a much higher strategic priority they may want a major naval base and logistical hub in US soil nearer than Hawaii. US bases on foreign soil are ok but even if the US is too powerful to be evicted, supply would become an issue if the locals refused to trade.

 

[Navarro]

I had figured it was a change in strategic thinking brought about by WWIII. There are a number of minor islands under US control, but if controlling the South China Sea and keeping China down ensuring peace and democratic government is a much higher strategic priority they may want a major naval base and logistical hub in US soil nearer than Hawaii. US bases on foreign soil are ok but even if the US is too powerful to be evicted, supply would become an issue if the locals refused to trade.

Also with the move into the Caribbean. For E-USA, an independent Caribbean represents a strategic threat to the USA's southern flank (also there were a lot of pirates operating in the region and they decided that just taking over the islands to end the threat permanently was more acceptable than continuous suppression or decades of nation-building for no immediate benefit).

 

[Navarro]

So, here's a list of all Presidents of the United States that have been in this fic-verse thus far. I debated whether or not as to include the ones who had power before the political divergences started, but ultimately elected to (heh) for completeness' sake.

1. George Washington (Independent) 1788-1796
2. John Adams (Federalist) 1796-1800
3. Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican) 1800-1808
4. James Madison ( Democratic-Republican) 1808-1816
5. James Monroe ( Democratic-Republican) 1816-1824
6. John Q. Adams ( Democratic-Republican) 1824-1828
7. Andrew Jackson (Democratic) 1828-1836
8. Martin van Buren (Democratic) 1836-1840
9. William Henry Harrison (Whig) 1841 [died in office]
10. John Tyler (Whig) 1841-1844
11. James K. Polk (Democratic) 1844-1848
12. Zachary Taylor (Whig) 1848-1850 [died in office]
13. Millard Filmore (Whig) 1850-1852
14. Franklin Pierce (Democratic) 1852-1856
15. James Buchanan (Democratic) 1856-1860
16. Abraham Lincoln (Republican) 1860-1865 [died in office]
17. Andrew Johnson (Republican) 1865-1868
18. Ulysses S. Grant (Republican) 1868-1876
19. Rutherford B. Hayes (Republican) 1876-1880
20. James A. Garfield (Republican) 1880-1881 [died in office]
21. Chester A. Arthur (Republican) 1881-1884
22. Grover Cleveland (Democratic) 1884-1888,
23. Benjamin Harrison (Republican) 1888-1892
24. Grover Cleveland (Democratic) 1892-1896
25. William McKinley (Republican) 1896-1901 [died in office]
26. Theodore Roosevelt (Republican) 1901-1908
27. William H. Taft (Republican) 1908-1912
28. Woodrow Wilson (Democratic) 1912-1920
29. Warren G. Harding (Republican) 1920-1923
30. Calvin Coolidge (Republican) 1923-1928
31. Herbert Hoover (Republican) 1928-1932
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic) 1932-1945 [died in office]
33. Harry S. Truman (Democratic) 1945-1952
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican) 1952-1960
35. John F. Kennedy (Democratic) 1960-1963 [died in office]
36. Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic) 1963-64
37. Barry Goldwater (Republican) 1964-1968
38. Richard M. Nixon (Republican) 1968-1976
39. Gerald R. Ford (Republican) 1976-1980
40. Ronald Reagan (Republican) 1980-1988
41. George H. W. Bush (Republican) 1988-1992
42. Ted Kennedy (Democratic) 1992-2000
43. John Ellis Bush (Republican) 2000-2008
44. Sebastian Claiborne (Republican) 2008-2012
45. Donald J. Trump (Democratic) 2012-2020
46. Jonathan L. West (Republican) 2020-2024 *
47. Kenneth Childers (Republican-Democrat) 2024-2032
48. Sarah Murkowski (Republican-Democrat) 2032-2040 **
49. Lucas Powers (Republican-Democrat) 2040-2048
50. Charles Kite (Republican-Democrat) 2048-2056
51. David Richardson (Republican-Democrat) 2056-2062
52. Alfred F. Jones (Republican-Democrat) 2062-2090 [died in office]
53. Clarissa Curling (Republican-Democrat) 2090-2106
54. Henry Whitman (Republican-Democrat) 2106-2124
55. Hector Autumn (Republican-Democrat) 2124-2144
56. John J. Moreno (Republican-Democrat) 2144-2148
57. Kathleen Nichols (Republican-Democrat) 2156-2168
58. Norman T. Rockefeller (Republican-Democrat) 2168-2184
59. Michael E. Richardson (Republican-Democrat) 2184-2216
60. Eric L. Teasley (Republican-Democrat) 2216-2232
61. Richard “Dick” Richardson (Republican-Democrat) 2232-2242 [died in office]
62. John H. Eden (Independent) 2242-2278 [died in office]
63. Augustus Autumn (Independent/Proto-Federalist) 2278-2290
63. Augustus Autumn (Federalist) 2290-2302
64. Michael Fairfax (Federalist) 2302-2310
65. Mary S. Kirkpatrick (Federalist) 2310-2322
66. Alessio Castiglione (Federalist) 2322-2326
67. Alexander M. Travis (American Liberty) 2326-2330
68. Nate Washington (Federalist) 2230-

*First POTUS of African descent
**First female POTUS