Texas Border Invasion Standoff

[Bacle]

Look, here, yes, I attacked his idea. In my opinion, it was a bad idea with no actual backing that didn't have enough evidence for it.

I very much disagreed with the idea that the Uniparty would do it, because it's not in line with how the Uniparty operates, and I thought Bacle's argument was bad. That's what being on the internet means: people get to disagree with you. Maybe it was more an attack than people would like.

Basically, more than it not being in their best interest, it's not how the Uniparty operates. The managerial class wants stability. They don't want to use nukes, it doesn't advance their power. More, it doesn't hit what they believe in. Remember, just like everyone else, the Uniparty views themselves as the good guy. And it's hard to justify using a nuke while feeling like the good guy. Especially when you buy into the Uniparty's overall philosophy. They value other's opinions of them, and they know using a nuke would be perceived badly.

Motherfucker, you said I should have been held back in Kindergarten because you were engaged in bad faith debating in another thread.

Stop pretending you were just 'attacking the idea'; you got caught abusing your position to harass me again, and this time in really stupid fashion.

 

[Abhorsen]

Motherfucker, you said I should have been held back in Kindergarten because you were engaged in bad faith debating in another thread.

Stop pretending you were just 'attacking the idea'; you got caught abusing your position to harass me again, and this time in really stupid fashion.

Oh, I attack you plenty no denying that. I just wasn't attacking you there though. In fact, you replied to me there, and we conversed, and only after you said a few particularly dumb things in a row did I insult you (e.g. pretending that the IJA had something to do with the Japanese Red Army despite the members of the people in the JRA being born in 1945). That's not bad faith, at least on my part. Eventually I took my own advice:

So when I deal with someone who enjoys to REE and repeatedly make the same stupid statement again and again, I can recognize that further communication isn't worth it, and I either laugh at the person

But you started that exchange that lead to me clowning you and comparing you to a kindergartener. I wasn't talking to you, and you decided to object to my statement, I disagreed with your objection, and we went from there. But I didn't complain about this, because obviously I was commenting in a public thread. I've no issue with you replying to me. Just make good points instead of inventing psuedo history next time.

Also please stop this woe is me stuff. You commenting on my stuff and me replying is not me harassing you. You initiated there, not me. If you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen. Note, you are quite free to insult me back. I don't get any special protections from insults being a mod. I just also will give them back, and you don't like them.





Anyway, on topic, this has already been a huge success. The Overton window has massively shifted towards border closure. I think two things have done this. First, Texas just saying No is just huge. Second, 'sharing the wealth'. Or in otherwords, shipping migrants to sanctuary cities. It massively taught people what dealing with the border does close to home. This is already a massive cultural Republican W.

 

[Simonbob]

Look, here, yes, I attacked his idea. In my opinion, it was a bad idea with no actual backing that didn't have enough evidence for it.

I very much disagreed with the idea that the Uniparty would do it, because it's not in line with how the Uniparty operates, and I thought Bacle's argument was bad. That's what being on the internet means: people get to disagree with you. Maybe it was more an attack than people would like.

Basically, more than it not being in their best interest, it's not how the Uniparty operates. The managerial class wants stability. They don't want to use nukes, it doesn't advance their power. More, it doesn't hit what they believe in. Remember, just like everyone else, the Uniparty views themselves as the good guy. And it's hard to justify using a nuke while feeling like the good guy. Especially when you buy into the Uniparty's overall philosophy. They value other's opinions of them, and they know using a nuke would be perceived badly.

I disagree, not because you're wrong about the the average managerial thinks, so much as your assumption they're anywhere near as in charge as they, and we think. I'm pretty sure the current "elite" don't realise just how fragile everything is right now.


When a large part of your power is based on winding up people with no standards to set them off at your enemy, eventualy, those unstable loons will get out of control. That, more than anything else, is the problem.


I mean, seriously. Look at the insane crap that's been happening, and understand, the loonies are at the edge of running the asylum. The managers started them up, and are now finding the reason why everybody else wasn't arrogant enough to try this. That's because once the loonies get going, they're really hard to stop.




As for using the nuke while feeling like a good guy? How's about that Russia/Ukraine/Israel/Palastine, huh? How many people wanted some combo of those blown up? "Those Bad Guys, they gotta pay for their Evil!" No matter the truth, it's not hard to wind up the unstable, and our entire society has been pushing everybody that way.





So, counter-productive or not, it may well happen. And, yes, there are plenty of people who will consider themselves the "good guys" for doing it.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Well at least now I don't have to have any doubt some staff are egging him on into these fights with me.

I can't believe I'm saying this. sigh Guys, staff included, stop being dicks to each other. You're acting like fucking primary schoolers. 😮‍💨

Motherfucker,

OKAY ENOUGH!!! This has gone too far for my taste, cease with this bickering at once!!!

@Bacle I will discuss with @LordSunhawk if there is a way to ignore mod post minus explicit staff messages or infractions as I do realize where you are coming from with that complaint.

However, I will also tell you grow up and grow a sense of humor if the main takeaway from my post is that the staff is oppressing you, I was making a joke to alleviate the tension in the hopes your argument would fizzle out, the fact that you couldn't go "Left myself open to that one" isn't my fault, neither does my post in anyway prove or disprove your point or dismiss your concerns.

You are getting way too personal with these insults and while you may disagree on many things @Abhorsen isn't Satan nor is he an existential pressing threat to anything so stop talking to him like he is, remember that.

@Abhorsen I have met you in person and for all of your pros and cons think you are a great and upstanding guy just like I think the same could be said of Bacle if I ever got the chance to meet him.

My point is that we are all human beings, @Bacle has asked that you to not engage with him and while it is well within your right to just say 'no' as you are right about this being a public forum please keep in mind he can't put you on ignore and it's also within your right to also respect his wishes as another human being and simply not engage with him, if he wants to have others question his reasons for doing that in the future it's his choice.

This conversation is over, both of you cease and desist on the line of subject concerning to each other's integrity, one more outburst that gets too personal will result in me kicking one or both of you from this thread...

Understand? Yes? Good!!!

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Anyway, on topic, this has already been a huge success. The Overton window has massively shifted towards border closure. I think two things have done this. First, Texas just saying No is just huge. Second, 'sharing the wealth'. Or in otherwords, shipping migrants to sanctuary cities. It massively taught people what dealing with the border does close to home. This is already a massive cultural Republican W.

Texas bussing the migrants to democrat strongholds was one of the best political moves by a Republican like ever. It forces all the NIMBYists to put up or shut up and 98% of the time they shut up.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Texas bussing the migrants to democrat strongholds was one of the best political moves by a Republican like ever. It forces all the NIMBYists to put up or shut up and 98% of the time they shut up.

Yup...
And I like your new Avatar @Carrot of Truth !!

 

[mrttao]

Texas bussing the migrants to democrat strongholds was one of the best political moves by a Republican like ever. It forces all the NIMBYists to put up or shut up and 98% of the time they shut up.

Nah, instead of shutting up they said really stupid stuff. which was even funnier

> This is literally terrorism
> We need to legalize corporeal punishment so we can give them a beating and then deport them
> Please, we need help, we can't handle so many.
> NOOOOO, you can't bus them over to our nice clean sanctuary cities! You are supposed to keep them in your state!

So many laughs were had

 

[Jormungandr]

Nah, instead of shutting up they said really stupid stuff. which was even funnier

> This is literally terrorism
> We need to legalize corporeal punishment so we can give them a beating and then deport them
> Please, we need help, we can't handle so many.
> NOOOOO, you can't bus them over to our nice clean sanctuary cities! You are supposed to keep them in your state!

So many laughs were had

Oh yeah, I couldn't stop laughing at this meltdown when it was happening in real-time.

It's all very well and good being for migrants and the "the poor folk" until they directly impact them.

 

[Typhonis]

Didn't some get bussed to Martha's Vinyard and the elite wasted no time getting rid of them?

 

[DarthOne]

Didn't some get bussed to Martha's Vinyard and the elite wasted no time getting rid of them?

Correct

 

[mrttao]

Didn't some get bussed to Martha's Vinyard and the elite wasted no time getting rid of them?

Yes, that is where the line "literally terrorism" came from.

 

[Rocinante]

Biden stated he is actually totally for fixing the border but is being blocked by the conservatives. And that the "real solution" is to pass a bill that gives him more powers.

It's easy to see how utterly ridiculous that is, too.

He has the same powers as Trump. Look at illegal immigration numbers under Trump vs Obama and Biden.

He has the powers he needs. He just won't use them.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Looking at how things are unfolding, I have this horrid feeling that the battle lines for something dreadful are being drawn up.

 

[Cherico]

Looking at how things are unfolding, I have this horrid feeling that the battle lines for something dreadful are being drawn up.

This is happening everywhere in the west not just us but you guys too.

Were currently in the decadent court of idiots phase of governance.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Anyone want to place bets about them trying that? And if the Texans will let them and so on?

That is literally within the Constitutional powers of the federal government, though. The National Guard fundamentally belongs to the federal government; that's exactly why tertiary State Guards are permitted to exist, and that only by explicit permission of the federal government.

State sovereignty *does not*, and has never, extended to military forces. Private citizens have the right to form local militia; the federal government has the sole authority to form regulars, and both are literally designed to tell the in-between levels of government to fuck off.

 

[Zachowon]

That is literally within the Constitutional powers of the federal government, though. The National Guard fundamentally belongs to the federal government; that's exactly why tertiary State Guards are permitted to exist, and that only by explicit permission of the federal government.

State sovereignty *does not*, and has never, extended to military forces. Private citizens have the right to form local militia; the federal government has the sole authority to form regulars, and both are literally designed to tell the in-between levels of government to fuck off.

The federalization of national guard units though have to be for a reason and it has to be a valid reason in a way the state allows it.
Because every single Guardsmen serves the governor not the president.

And all troops serve the constitution

 

[Jormungandr]

So, has Biden blinked yet?

 

[Skallagrim]

So, has Biden blinked yet?

Dozed off, more like.

"Huh? Wha--? What were we doing? Are Republimecallits from Texas doing the thing? What? We'll just, whatchacallit, send in the boys. Troops. Nationalize the... the thing. The guard. And, uh... get me some ice cream. I like ice cream, especially chocolate... What were we talking about?"

 

[Tiamat]

Dozed off, more like.

"Huh? Wha--? What were we doing? Are Republimecallits from Texas doing the thing? What? We'll just, whatchacallit, send in the boys. Troops. Nationalize the... the thing. The guard. And, uh... get me some ice cream. I like ice cream, especially chocolate... What were we talking about?"

"Ooohhh...huhhhh? Uh, I mean...I like chocolate flavored ice cream....but what I really like, is some Angel-Hair pasta...you know, like angel hair on them little girls....(sniff)...oh yeah, I like Angel Hair...hehehe...."

 

[Grant Us Eyes]

I guess Biden's handlers blinked on this issue.

I'm very, very surprised that things worked out the way they did.

What I'm hoping that this proves as a lynchpin moving forward, as Abbot proved two things simultaneously;

- States can tell SCOTUS to fuck off with little repurcussion. (So far.)

- Biden is weak when it comes time to actually enforce his decisions or follow up on his threats. (So far.)

What I'm hoping moving forward is that this kicks off a preference cascade of States basically going 'lolno' when Biden(or SCOTUS) tells them to do stuff.

I would love to have been a fly on that wall when Biden's handlers discussed all this. I'd also love to know the ratio between the handlers frothing at the mouth that Abbot wasn't respecting thier authority and those despretely trying to dial all this shit back due to the risk of how it could escalate.