Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022

Lord Sovereign

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Those are no longer produced and mostly sold to Africa.
If China was truly Russia's allies, they would sell, no, gift Russia these tanks, much like West sends their tanks to Ukraine - at least equal to increasingly rare T-90, but also to a degree compatible with Russian logistics and training due to being based on T-72.
China is probably rubbing its hands in glee right now. Imagine how much influence and power they are going to have over Russia when the War is over.
 

Cherico

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So, eighteen to nineteen year old women are being forced to serve as frontline troops... alongside convicts whose crimes include but are not limited to rape, molestation, and murder of women.

Yeah, this is going to end well. :cautious:

When the historical Nazis you're making your modern enemy out to be as part of your official justification had better moral standards than your own, you know shit's fucked. smh

Yep! Russia's systems are either still Soviet-era or are directly descended from Soviet stuff, so they use all the same ammo pools, tools, and machinery. North Korea, and to a smaller extent China and certain Middle-Eastern nations, are making bank off the Russian's stupidity -- the Norks especially.

Russia has fought most of their wars like this, just throw people at the problem until they win, you would be surprised how often its let them win theres just one slight problem.

World war one, russian civil war, the communist famines, the second world war, communism wreaking demographics and the economy more, the collapse of the soviet state educational system and resulting birth rate crash means they dont have the numbers to pull that tactic off any more.

This might just be russia's last war as a regional power much less a great one if they lose.
 

ATP

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North Korean ammo is better than no ammo, but not by much, considering the quality and reputational damage, i think that's the point people are trying to make. If they could take any other option, like making more of own ammo, or Chinese ammo, which is also compatible, they would take it over NK.

The really important point here is that it demonstrates the limits of supposed Russian-Chinese friendship. It doesn't go to the point where China would suffer the escalation in hostility in the West resulting from directly aiding Russia with ammo. Which China would be technically capable of doing, and to a humongous degree.

If China was truly Russia's allies, they would sell, no, gift Russia these tanks, much like West sends their tanks to Ukraine - at least equal to increasingly rare T-90, but also to a degree compatible with Russian logistics and training due to being based on T-72.
Rather Type 88 or 85,they new their best toys for taking Taiwan,or fighting India.
But,aside from that,i agree.

And,i am really suprised that China do not sell really old stuff,like Type 59,becouse Moscov would take it anyway,and USA would be not offended too much.

Or,old 122 and 152mm ammo.They must blow up it anyway,so why not sell it to Moscov?
 

Marduk

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Rather Type 88 or 85,they new their best toys for taking Taiwan,or fighting India.
But,aside from that,i agree.

And,i am really suprised that China do not sell really old stuff,like Type 59,becouse Moscov would take it anyway,and USA would be not offended too much.

Or,old 122 and 152mm ammo.They must blow up it anyway,so why not sell it to Moscov?
Who knows what CCP leadership really thinks. I have a theory that their obsession about Taiwan at some point may have turned into just a role they play, a role many of the foreign leaders find very believable and convenient. They can arm up all they want, and everyone will think it's to take Taiwan and confront America.
But what if that's part of Chinese love of Sun Tzu, and this is just a deception? They have decided that ultimately the fortress island is not worth the cost of taking it, however all around great Chinese superpower there are all those weaker targets, that also contain much greater treasures in terms of land, resources and serfs for the Chinese overlords than said island.
Pragmatic calculation would suggest preparing to take over those targets, while keeping them unaware by pretending that all this military build up is mostly aimed at Taiwan, Japan and America.

A properly weakened and dependent on Chinese mercy Russia would be the grand prize in such a calculation. Special Military Operation in Siberia and Far East anyone?
 

Husky_Khan

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More like who produces ammo compatible with your systems and can sell it to you. Not many options. And NK is known to produce a lot (?). And starved for money.

The Ukrainians quoted in the article did state the ammunition was low quality as well. A lot of dud rounds were reported during the shelling of South Korean islands by North Korean artillery a few years ago as well.

Financial Times said:
Ruslan, a Ukrainian artillery commander, said the North Korean munitions were not favoured by his troops because of their relatively high dud rate, with many known to misfire or fail to explode. Most were manufactured in the 1980s and 1990s, according to their markings.

One Ukrainian Grad unit member warned the FT not to get too close to the rocket launcher when the crew fired the North Korean munitions because "they are very unreliable and do crazy things sometimes".

Plus it appears North Korea is trying to sell off their surplus/older munitions as well.
 

ATP

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Who knows what CCP leadership really thinks. I have a theory that their obsession about Taiwan at some point may have turned into just a role they play, a role many of the foreign leaders find very believable and convenient. They can arm up all they want, and everyone will think it's to take Taiwan and confront America.
But what if that's part of Chinese love of Sun Tzu, and this is just a deception? They have decided that ultimately the fortress island is not worth the cost of taking it, however all around great Chinese superpower there are all those weaker targets, that also contain much greater treasures in terms of land, resources and serfs for the Chinese overlords than said island.
Pragmatic calculation would suggest preparing to take over those targets, while keeping them unaware by pretending that all this military build up is mostly aimed at Taiwan, Japan and America.

A properly weakened and dependent on Chinese mercy Russia would be the grand prize in such a calculation. Special Military Operation in Siberia and Far East anyone?
It woud be logical,but,as part of maskirowka,they still should send their old stuff to Moscov.
And later take Siberia with good one.
Considering that they belive that USA fall on its own about 2040,they could wait for Taiwan till then.
 

Husky_Khan

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Explosion(s) reported in Balaklava within Russian controlled Crimea. Location is near a Russian Naval Base, as well as military warehouses and a thermal power station.



Ukraine firing an estimated 8000 rounds of artillery a day.



Turkmenistan Airlines are suspending flights to Moscow, diverting them to Kazan, likely in response to the second night of drone strikes on Moscow proper.



A small flotilla of civilian ships reportedly arrived in Ukrainian ports along the mouth of the Danube River in defiance of the Russian Naval Blockade. The ships arrived with their transponders on and have been identified as Israeli, Greek, Turkish and Georgian owned vessels. Reni, one of the ports located a couple hundred meters across the river from Romania, was struck by Russian missiles/drones a week ago resulting in the damaging of Romanian shipping. NATO ISR Aircraft were flying overhead.





Croatia has stated it will help export Ukrainian grain through its Ports, though it still needs pathing for said grain to arrive from Ukraine to said Croatian Ports.


Bulgaria has mysterious managed to increase weapons exports by over 200%, equivalent to 2% of their GDP. To whom they are exporting so much Soviet equivalent munitions and equipment to remains an official mystery.

 

Husky_Khan

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Russian Accounts Reporting Ukraine has made small territorial gains south of Vuhledar, best remembered for last Winter when the elite Russian Naval Infantry formations lost dozens of armored vehicles in fruitless attacks upon the town.



Multiple Vehicles Documentd as Lost in a Repelled Ukrainian Assault Near Robotnye in the Zaporizhzhia Oblast. Includes at least two tanks and three BMP's.



Romanian APR-50 122mm MLRS System in Ukrainian Service.



Spanish and British 155mm Artillery Ammunition, likely manufactured in the last year and a half, currently located in Ukraine.



 

Marduk

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As proxy wars go mission killing the russian navy is a pretty good deal.
The particular choice of target is very interesting. It's a large landing craft. If Russia would ever need to deliver large amounts of supplies or reinforcements to an area cut off from rail links by destroyed bridges and then land it with little to no support from port infrastructure, this is exactly the kind of ship that would be needed to do it.
 

Husky_Khan

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It seems likely that it might be permanently put out of action. The other two Ropucha's that were damaged but survived the Tochka Ballistic Missile strike on the Berdyansk Harbor way back in March of 2022 reportedly are still out of action due to lack of ability to repair the vessels.
 

Megadeath

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The particular choice of target is very interesting. It's a large landing craft. If Russia would ever need to deliver large amounts of supplies or reinforcements to an area cut off from rail links by destroyed bridges and then land it with little to no support from port infrastructure, this is exactly the kind of ship that would be needed to do it.
That's true and probably part of Ukraine's choice of targeting, but I'm sure there's also an element of hitting whatever they can, when they can.
 

Zyobot

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Been chatter about this already, but because it's relevant:




Of course, the Russians are employing drones of their own, though I'd say Ukraine's access to DIY stuff that can take out million-dollar factory kit gives them a leg-up their grandfathers could've only dreamed of back in the day.
 

Husky_Khan

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Oh my gosh... it looks like it struck another fuel train directly on the railroad bridge! And for cargo transport the railroad span is way more important than the road spans are.

EDIT

That picture is likely from last years attack lol... which is why it immediately reminded me of last years attack.

Still night time over there.
 
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Husky_Khan

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If they fully destroyed it that is huge

We'll find out more when the Sun rises. Russian authorities are saying they intercepted the drones, because of course.

Also apparently a Russian oil tanker was struck by a drone as well though it was reportedly "empty" at the time. This ship was south of the Kerch Straight and apparently immobilized by the attack.

 

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