LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Have you seen the loss numbers for Bakhmut and Avdivka?
Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2
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AnimalNoodles
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whose numbers?
One side's numbers are real and the other's is propaganda. It would be silly to assume they're all lying, right?
Every time Ukraine takes another loss,they twist and turn, and this time they're even trying to spin it as a loss for Russia lmao
AnimalNoodles
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Thats why its pointless to quote sources. Neither side recognises the other sides sources as legitimate. Its best to look at results. Russia won adiivka, and now something appears to be cooking in the south.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
The numbers from visually-confirmed destruction/abandonment through open source intelligence.
You know, the numbers that come from neither government?
AnimalNoodles
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osint..lol
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
AnimalNoodles
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Because OSINT is the fanfic of intelligence. a tiny bit is very good, but most is just wish fulfillment
There are osint sources that also support the other side. Will you acknowledge them as legit? How about the mediazona casualty figures, which shows 43,000 russian dead as of feb 2. Will you acknowledge those as legit? Or is that BS?
That's why I almost never post up a source. whats the point? You all wont accept it as legit. So its best to just look at trends and events.
Read the mediazona methodology. Then come back to me what that 43k actually means and how is that related to reality. Then we can see if its a honest mistake, copium overdose, or poorly thought out propaganda what you are spouting.
There's a reason why no one on pro-Ukrainian side considers mediazona a good estimate for total losses. We can read...
And we also can memorize.
Unlike you, who has been schooled by yours truly on this mistake once, but you forgot already:
Russia(gate/bot) - Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion
They are simply lobbing shells and then advancing over the rubble. 😂🤣😂
www.the-sietch.com
Yup, mediazona is totally a source of actual death tool, even though mediazona itself denies that.
Considering those issues with reading and remembering, i recommend everyone who still thinks mediazona is a valid argument for low Russian casualties looks for a good retirement home, because you need it.
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AnimalNoodles
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See? You wont accept my sources, and i wont accept yours. Lets discuss events then.
(p.s...i was correct about basic russian tactics then, and i am correct now. your ideas of human wave assaults are ridiculous)
I'm going to do so much more than not accept your sources. I'm pointing out that your sources are themselves admitting to not even being an attempt at a good estimate of Russian losses, and are saying that on their own site, and explain why they aren't a good estimate for that... yet you stubbornly try to insist that they are wrong about not being a good source.
Now i understand the US controversies about the education system quality...
Mediazona: These are the dead soldiers we have found by name in public internet sources and reports we could get our hands on, we know the death toll has to be much higher because we can't find everything and far from everything gets published in the internet in the first place.
Russiaboos: See how low Russian losses are? *points to the above*
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Lord Sovereign
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Good God, why is Russia still in Ukraine? These losses are unsustainable and unacceptable. Even if they "win" in the long run, there won't be a Russian Military left by then.
Putin is bleeding his country dry for his own ego.
Because the majority are Little Russians (ethnic minorities), criminals and mercenary armies. None of the Great Russians(Muscovites and St. Petersburg the population majority whose opinions can affect Moscow) have suffered yet. Putin has been careful not to touch that central powerbase
It's about the fact that they are burning up the Ukrainians as well is why they keep going.
At least they think they are.
I wouldn't say those numbers are 100 percent accurate. With vast majority being wounds one can return from with detah toll being under 100k.
And OSINT has confirmed 600 vehicles.
And said OSINT account us unbiased as they showed the numbers for the Ukraine offensive last year and it wasn't the best news for them
gral
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Also, the average Russian seems to be for it(they just don't want to be in the frontlines). Amusingly enough, this is one of those times an authoritarian government does something that its popular(another recent example is Burma expelling the Rohingya).
Wargamer08
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One side is conscripting old men and cripples while sending women to the tenches. It's not Russia.
One side is fighting for its life
Abd losing, which was his point.
Wargamer08
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A just cause doesn't magically let you regenerate combat losses forever.
Combat in Ukraine costs both sides thousands of men and hundreds of pieces of equipment a month. Where is Ukraine going to continue to get their's?
Russia has at least two years of current losses worth of equipment before they have to start making hard choices economically. About the same for manpower.