Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2

[Husky_Khan]

Ukraine successfully retreated from Avdiivka. Downing three Russian fighters today going by their satellite signals terminating above Avdiivka at the same time the Patriot battery west of Avdiivka opened fire.

So that's three fighters and 666 armored vehicles and near on ten thousand casualties over two years. In exchange for 57 Ukrainian armored vehicles, around 4000 Ukrainian casualties(most of them should recover with Western medicine and doctors) and Avdiivka. the incompetence of vatniks never fails to surprise me. They get lower and lower,

Russian MilBloggers estimates are 16,000 Troops "permanently lost" since October in Avdiivka. Also of brigade level formations losing sixty to seventy percent of their manpower due to casualties in these prior months.



Ukrainian claims are three times that number of Russian killed. They also claimed roughly twice as many vehicle losses as documented. So the standard of Ukraine exaggerating, but not to the epic level of Russian exaggerations that we've seen throughout this War.

 

[Bacle]

 

[AmosTrask]

Ukrainian claims are three times that number of Russian killed

No. Ukrainian bloggers are claiming higher numbers. The official Ukrainian MOD is more conservative with the numbers

 

[Bassoe]

Republican wants to send lawmakers to fight for Ukraine

Republican Anna Paulina Luna called out Democrat Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer over a new bill with foreign aid to Ukraine.

www.newsweek.com

Luna: War hawks should 'fight on the front lines' if they advocate for sending Americans to war

U.S. Rep. Anna Paulina Luna said she will introduce legislation requiring politicians who call for sending American troops to Ukraine also have to fight on the front lines.

flvoicenews.com

GOP Rep Luna introduces bill to send colleagues to front line in Ukraine

As promised Florida Republican Congresswoman and Air Force veteran Anna Paulina Luna is reportedly introducing legislation in the House of Representatives requiring members of Congress who “advocate providing military support to Ukraine” to enlist in a branch of the military and to be assigned...

foreignentanglements.substack.com

I propose calling it the "money where your mouth is" bill or equivalent.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Republican wants to send lawmakers to fight for Ukraine

Republican Anna Paulina Luna called out Democrat Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer over a new bill with foreign aid to Ukraine.

www.newsweek.com

Luna: War hawks should 'fight on the front lines' if they advocate for sending Americans to war

U.S. Rep. Anna Paulina Luna said she will introduce legislation requiring politicians who call for sending American troops to Ukraine also have to fight on the front lines.

flvoicenews.com

GOP Rep Luna introduces bill to send colleagues to front line in Ukraine

As promised Florida Republican Congresswoman and Air Force veteran Anna Paulina Luna is reportedly introducing legislation in the House of Representatives requiring members of Congress who “advocate providing military support to Ukraine” to enlist in a branch of the military and to be assigned...

foreignentanglements.substack.com

I propose calling it the "money where your mouth is" bill or equivalent.

Would this be applicable to other ways tax money is spent? I am both simultaneously mortified and intrigued by the implied potential of such a retarded concept.

 

[Zachowon]

So we should have every politician getting even more free shit?
Because this could open up them to get access to all social support systems

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Ukraine is transwinning here folks. It doesnt matter how much territory they have lost, or the unsustainable casualties. They identify as winning, and that is all that matters.

 

[Zachowon]

They lost a single city in the past what...six months since Bakhmut fell?
They are winning because Russia is distracted

 

[Lord Sovereign]

That last bit about their aid being jammed up really doesn’t paint the GOP in a good light at all.

The border is an issue, a massive one at that, but it appears as if the Republicans are playing politics with the lives of Ukrainian soldiers.

 

[Zachowon]

That last bit about their aid being jammed up really doesn’t paint the GOP in a good light at all.

The border is an issue, a massive one at that, but it appears as if the Republicans are playing politics with the lives of Ukrainian soldiers.

"The dems are sending the Ukrainian people to die for globohomo instead of being slaves to Russia! STOP AID! THEY SHOULD BE FREE FROM WESTERN GLOBOHOMO!!!" cue.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

"The dems are sending the Ukrainian people to die for globohomo instead of being slaves to Russia! STOP AID! THEY SHOULD BE FREE FROM WESTERN GLOBOHOMO!!!" cue.

Just as the “Nazi” accusation was finally running out of steam, we went and gave the “Russian sympathiser” accusation a whole load of weight.

GG, righties. Simp for a murderous dictator to own the libs, what could possible go wrong…

 

[Bacle]

TBF, Biden has been slow rolling aid before the 'border deal for aid money' shit had begun, like the F-16s that now are expect in Ukraine May of this year, about a whole year later than they should have been. Long range ATACM's models should have been there in quantity, instead of a few dozen short range missiles.

The GOP's inability to not shoot itself in the foot at the stupidest times, and in new and novel ways, is one of the Dems greatest assets.

The aid bills should not all be tied to each other, and neither should the border be tied to the aid issues.

The Dems should also not be trying to sneak in more funding for their illegal immigration schemes into the border bill, and Biden already has all the power he needs to handle the border, but won't use it.

Trump saying he's even encourage Russia to go after 'delinquent' NATO members didn't help either, and the Dems didn't force him to say that.

It's all pretty fucked politics wise, but the GOP has made a huge amount of unnecessary self-owns in shit like supporting Tucker going to interview Putin, and in general wanting to pretend Putin/Russia won't try for more later, if they get to 'keep' the lands they've attempted to steal from Ukraine.

 

[Zachowon]

Just as the “Nazi” accusation was finally running out of steam, we went and gave the “Russian sympathiser” accusation a whole load of weight.

GG, righties. Simp for a murderous dictator to own the libs, what could possible go wrong…

There are people on the Right that like Assad.
And yeah, they feel like the west is the cause of all of the reasons for the conflict and Ukraine should just give up and be right wing under the arms of Russia.

 

[Poe]

They lost a single city in the past what...six months since Bakhmut fell?
They are winning because Russia is distracted

Simply delusional. Under no objective measurement is Ukraine winning this war at the moment.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Simply delusional. Under no objective measurement is Ukraine winning this war at the moment.

If Ukraine isn’t winning at the moment, then Russia sure as shit isn’t.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

If Russia wins a few more battles like Avdika they'll lose the war.

 

[Poe]

If Ukraine isn’t winning at the moment, then Russia sure as shit isn’t.

According to whom exactly? Because according to actual military analysts studying this war, western ones at that, Russia is winning and will win big if the US doesn't get back to funding the war effort. Your talking points are a year stale at this point, hopefully whatever think tank devises them will send out new ones soon.

 

[Vyor]

According to whom exactly? Because according to actual military analysts studying this war, western ones at that, Russia is winning and will win big if the US doesn't get back to funding the war effort.

Sauce?

 

[Poe]

Sauce?

I've posted several times in this thread alone about Michael Kofman (Ukraine War Analyst, also hosts a podcast called the Russian Contingency) and even understanding war (a very pro-western org,) scroll back or google it. Its also literally a mainstream talking point so idk what to tell you bro it's time to update your 2022 talking points because things have changed, especially with the halting of US aid.

 

[Vyor]

I've posted several times in this thread alone about Michael Kofman (Ukraine War Analyst, also hosts a podcast called the Russian Contingency)

They guy that said that the russian military is not designed to take a country like ukraine?