Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

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planefag

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Yes, American, please tell me more about My land, and my people and my history, and our opinions, and what they are supposed to be.
You probably couldn't find Bulgaria on a fucking world map without google.

Since you love to tell other people you know hack about what to do, when are you going to Ukraine, they can use the cannon fodder advice and guidance.
Ah, that's why I detested you innately. My inner Greek genes rebelled at your presence.
 

ATP

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The territorial ambitions of the current Russian regime appear to be similar to those of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia -- they believe they are entitled to claim perpetual sovereignty over any and all territory that was claimed by all historical regimes that they consider themselves a successor to.

So they could conquer all of Ukraine, move on to Poland and Finland, and still never be satisfied, because they'd insist that they have always rightfully owned the former Russian Empire's holdings in North America and Asia as well.
Sadly,true.For them,if on X territory once was russian/soviet soldiers,it is their territory.
 

gral

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The territorial ambitions of the current Russian regime appear to be similar to those of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia -- they believe they are entitled to claim perpetual sovereignty over any and all territory that was claimed by all historical regimes that they consider themselves a successor to.
Not the current regime, this was always Russian policy. 'Where the Russian flag was once raised, it'll never be taken down', that's what(IIRC) Tsar Nicholas I said.
 

Husky_Khan

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Based Russians Clamping Down on Sedition.

Twelve year old girl draws a traitorous drawing depicting Russian missiles heading towards Ukraine. School reports it to police. Police fine single Father 32,000 Rubles, place him under house arrest, take his daughter away to a state run Childrens Home, prevent Father and Daughter from even speaking to each other for over a year now and open a criminal case against him where he's facing a possible prison sentece.

 

Marduk

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Worrying update from Styx:


Nah, dude doesn't even have half the relevant information, and if he does, doesn't mention. He does however randomly throw around random meme concerns, while this is just a nuclear saber rattling move signaled since the beginning of the war, part of Russian politics falling into a similar pattern as what North Korea uses since decades.
>Intermediate space between Russia and NATO.
There wasn't any since 2014 at least (possibly as early as early 2000's) and neither side is interested in continued existence of such (because it's a meme and does nothing useful, just tempts everyone to do funny business), unless at the loss of the other side, and hopeful future gain of their own.
>NATO doing the same thing
It would be hilarious if it did play the nuclear saber rattling game too, unfortunately not, there are no spare Reagans to put in charge.
 

mrttao

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>NATO doing the same thing
It would be hilarious if it did play the nuclear saber rattling game too, unfortunately not, there are no spare Reagans to put in charge.
NATO own website says they are performing nuclear deterrence
Steadfast Noon is hosted by a different NATO Ally each year. "This exercise helps ensure that the Alliance's nuclear deterrent remains safe, secure and effective," said NATO Spokesperson Oana Lungescu.

also. poland and finland are seeking nato nukes

I recall various news articles about placing nukes near russian border in the past 2 years. but a lot of those evaporated. as news so often does.
 

Marduk

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NATO own website says they are performing nuclear deterrence
Regular yearly one, as stated.
also. poland and finland are seeking nato nukes
>will allow
Obviously it would take initiative from those who can provide them.
I recall various news articles about placing nukes near russian border in the past 2 years. but a lot of those evaporated. as news so often does.
I recall none of it happening, just lots of scaremongering.
 

mrttao

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>will allow
Obviously it would take initiative from those who can provide them.
Finland "will allow". Poland explicitly stated that they requested from USA to deploy nukes in their country. USA declined to answer on their reply.
Regular yearly one, as stated.
Yearly saber rattling is still saber rattling.
I recall none of it happening, just lots of scaremongering.
You probably deleted the memories. you have been VERY aggressively dedicated to the dogma.
 

Marduk

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Finland "will allow". Poland explicitly stated that they requested from USA to deploy nukes in their country. USA declined to answer on their reply.
Unlike Russia with Belarus.
Yearly saber rattling is still saber rattling.
Which Russia does too.
You probably deleted the memories. you have been VERY aggressively dedicated to the dogma.
I feel no obligation to share in collective delusion with you to "own the libs".
 

ATP

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Not the current regime, this was always Russian policy. 'Where the Russian flag was once raised, it'll never be taken down', that's what(IIRC) Tsar Nicholas I said.
Becouse they are empire,not normal state.When they fall,they would cease to exist,becouse they could not be just another state.



Of course.And that is why ukrainian are fighting - becouse they could choose die fighting or masss grave after tortures.
But,putin logic is not bad - it worked once for soviets,when first lenin and then sralin genocided millions,and rest did notching except shouting long live communism.
It is still working in North Korea.

Well,when USA would gave Ukraine to Moscov again,it should work,too - if there would be still kgb soldiers left to made cleansing.
 

mrttao

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Unlike Russia with Belarus.
Which Russia does too.
Ok? I never said russia wasn't.

Your position was that Russia is doing saber rattling and nato is not.
My position was that both are doing sabre rattling.

Saying "but russia is doing it too" doesn't disprove me. it admits you were wrong before and that I was right about both doing it.
 

Marduk

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Ok? I never said russia wasn't.

Your position was that Russia is doing saber rattling and nato is not.
My position was that both are doing sabre rattling.

Saying "but russia is doing it too" doesn't disprove me. it admits you were wrong before and that I was right about both doing it.
Those are regular exercises that happened long before current tensions and are not equal to current escalation by Russia, not some unusual saber rattling.
 
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