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ATP

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So even the Moscow puppets in control of the DPR are talking about exterminating Ukrainians, their own countrymen, if they do not surrender to Moscow.

Sigh.And those idiots could not undarstandt,why they not win.
Soviets knew,how to do that - they come after some puppets made"goverment" and asked them for that,WHEN west do not come to help,becouse their useful idiots told them that soviet come to liberate.

Speaking openly about genocide - only germans were so stupid.And that is why sralin win,and hitler died.

Idiots.

But,there still could be hidden super army.They are gb,after all.
 

Cherico

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Sigh.And those idiots could not undarstandt,why they not win.
Soviets knew,how to do that - they come after some puppets made"goverment" and asked them for that,WHEN west do not come to help,becouse their useful idiots told them that soviet come to liberate.

Speaking openly about genocide - only germans were so stupid.And that is why sralin win,and hitler died.

Idiots.

But,there still could be hidden super army.They are gb,after all.

Honestly its still in the air, the Russians still could win this one based on shear numbers alone.

We will know who the winner will be when the spring ends.
 

Cherico

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It's gonna be longer than that before either side quits.

Oh your defiantly correct on that, but right now its a match up between russias raw numbers and Ukraines better technology, training, and motivation. Currently its a war of attrition and at current rates...the Ukrainians are going to lose if it takes 3 dead russians to kill one Ukrainian then the Russians are just going to win.

However once the mud season ends its a chance for Ukraine to turn this into a war of manuver, if they can get that kill ratio much higher and completely cut russians off from getting water to Chrimea then the Ukrainians might have a chance.

Ultimently for the west the goal is to wear Russia down to the nub and stall for more time.
 

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The sad thing is that even if either side turns things around and gets a miraculous 2 month victory, the damage has already been done. Too many conscripts on either side have been thrown into the meatgrinder that it's going to take way too long to fix this damage.
 

AmosTrask

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Russia seems like it knows it won't be able to push farther into Ukraine, and now is just going to try to keep what they've attempted to steal.

Seeing as the fortifications they built were not built by combat engineers, but by civilian contractors owned by Shuigo's family. . . Who has used the cheapest and least amount of cement, and iron reinforcing rods. Pocketed the majority of the funding. Laid them out improperly in two straight lines touching each other. Yeah. The shit concrete they laid are worse than the Chinese tofu dregs buildings. The damn things are already crumbling from the winter weather. The Chinese building scammers at least make sure the buildings last at least a year. Long enough to sell the units and transfer the money offshore.

Moscow's greatest fear has always been competent officers rising and taking over. So Putin's reforms neutered the military. One of the major changes removed the majority of the logistics department's transport in favor of private contractors owned by Putin's clique.
 
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Best analysis on the 4 causes of the Ukraine war

Besides Turley's expected due to simping for Putin and Dugin spin on "mismanagement" being 180 degree wrong (the West wasn't too expansionist, the West skimped out on the "para bellum" part of "si vis pacem, para bellum" too much), Peterson sounds pretty accurate, specifically on the layer of Russian public socio-political narrative rather than what the elites think and do themselves. In the world of el presidentes, dictators and strongmen, just like in gangs and even among predatory animals, there is no provocation greater than apparent weakness, and a lot of stupid shit the West does now is pretty much that, intentionally or not, that's how it's bound to be perceived by simpler folks. The true danger is in the predators of the world stage not realizing that these idiotic gestures that look like weakness are in some degree just virtue signalling shows rather reflections of true state of things, while having the opposite perception error in regard to themselves, trying to appear stronger than they really are, and Putin at least has failed to correct for both.
Point in case:
According to supposed leaked FSB documents, this is how Putin and company expected the West to react to his special military operation.

So the irony here is, if the West was doing what certain people accuse it of as being "provocative" and was truly unapologetically expansionist, Russia (and several others) would be in fact afraid and acting accordingly rather than making aggressive demands about "security concerns" and things would not go the way they did.
 

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Besides Turley's expected due to simping for Putin and Dugin spin on "mismanagement" being 180 degree wrong (the West wasn't too expansionist, the West skimped out on the "para bellum" part of "si vis pacem, para bellum" too much), Peterson sounds pretty accurate, specifically on the layer of Russian public socio-political narrative rather than what the elites think and do themselves. In the world of el presidentes, dictators and strongmen, just like in gangs and even among predatory animals, there is no provocation greater than apparent weakness, and a lot of stupid shit the West does now is pretty much that, intentionally or not, that's how it's bound to be perceived by simpler folks. The true danger is in the predators of the world stage not realizing that these idiotic gestures that look like weakness are in some degree just virtue signalling shows rather reflections of true state of things, while having the opposite perception error in regard to themselves, trying to appear stronger than they really are, and Putin at least has failed to correct for both.
Point in case:
According to supposed leaked FSB documents, this is how Putin and company expected the West to react to his special military operation.

So the irony here is, if the West was doing what certain people accuse it of as being "provocative" and was truly unapologetically expansionist, Russia (and several others) would be in fact afraid and acting accordingly rather than making aggressive demands about "security concerns" and things would not go the way they did.
Wait, Putin actually thought NATO would disintegrate after his invasion...damn, that really is deluded.
 

Cherico

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Wait, Putin actually thought NATO would disintegrate after his invasion...damn, that really is deluded.

Know your enemy and know yourself and you need not fear the results of a hundred battles.

The problem for Putin was essentially he had shit intel, which is hilarious when you consider the fact he basically grew up in the KGB.

Russia's intel showed them that most of europe was pretty weak willed and fucked, and this was correct thing is he thought that would scare them into bending over and taking it but the possibility of them being absolutely fucking terrified and fighting to the very last Ukrainain to keep the Russian bear away from them didn't cross his mind.

Because sometimes when people are scared they ban together to stop the big scary thing instead of submitting. I really cant forgive him for not taking that in account as a possibility considering this has happened to russia numerous times in its history already.

Second thing was he underestimated Ukraine this one is actually reasonable because they basically took Chrimea easily and pretty much everyone thought they would fall by now.

Third thing was the most tragic he didn't understand how powerful russia was. So he didn't get how bad of a shape the russian military was in, how much industry was dependent on the outside how even that was having issues. Quite simply put Russia really wasn't prepared for this kind of war.

And even so they still have every possibility of winning it, but it will come at a far higher cost for them.
 

Bacle

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Russia said it first.
We are just following along.

Cold War 2.0 baby.
Nuclear build ip Boogaloo
Good, time to make sure our arsenal is refreshed and start putting warheads on INF/START prohibited places again.

The Bear wants to act like it's at war with the West/NATO, then why not show the Bear that we've been holding back and that it does not scare us anymore.

Maybe next time Russia threatens the West with nukes, we should just say 'Counter-force strike says what'?
 

Zachowon

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Good, time to make sure our arsenal is refreshed and start putting warheads on INF/START prohibited places again.

The Bear wants to act like it's at war with the West/NATO, then why not show the Bear that we've been holding back and that it does not scare us anymore.

Maybe next time Russia threatens the West with nukes, we should just say 'Counter-force strike says what'?
Or we just show them the force we can bring to bear like we did with reforger
 

Bacle

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Or we just show them the force we can bring to bear like we did with reforger
That doesn't have the same power with the Russian public and society, unfortunately.

Sure, some of the Russia military will see exactly how fucked they are, but Russian society as a whole won't.

Pulling the 'Counter-force strikes say hi' card tells the Russian people and society that we are not scared of them, and can threaten nukes of our own if they want to keep playing this game.
 

Bacle

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Russia just arrested a Wall Street Journal reporter on accusations of espionage.

Looks like another hostage taken by Putin's regime in hope of trying to get some sort of exchange.

Edit: Oh, and now Hungary is on Russia's shitlist for backing Finland entering NATO.
 

Typhonis

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Russia just arrested a Wall Street Journal reporter on accusations of espionage.

Looks like another hostage taken by Putin's regime in hope of trying to get some sort of exchange.

Depends on his intersectional stats. If they are high enough Washington will trade for him. If not....
 
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