Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[Cherico]

Oh, it is painfully obvious that some parts of the USA's nomenclature is using Poland, the problem is that they are their over-willing dog that fetches whenever they say fetch and rolls over when told to roll over, as to whatever you are discussing about the UK, no idea, and I don't care enough to look at Bukel's nonsense, because we all know that the UK doesn't do anything without the USA's go ahead.

The problem is that they are the biggest Ukraine booster and russophobe country in the EU, and them doing this on the behest of forces outside of the EU makes them treasonous.

I wouldn't go that far, Poland has its own motivations and in the case of Russia its revenge, because holy shit Polands history with Russia is long and terrible. After the partitions, after the masscres invasions warcrimes and other shit and the soviet era Poland is pretty much always down to fuck over moscow.

Poland doesn't need a command to fuck over the russians they just need permission.

 

[Agent23]

I wouldn't go that far, Poland has its own motivations and in the case of Russia its revenge, because holy shit Polands history with Russia is long and terrible. After the partitions, after the masscres invasions warcrimes and other shit and the soviet era Poland is pretty much always down to fuck over moscow.

Poland doesn't need a command to fuck over the russians they just need permission.

Yes, we all know that Polish Russia Derangement Syndrome and Polish 'we wuz Zohoposhpolitah' Chūnibyō are very common among their ruling class and many of the populace, that makes them very easy to control and lead around.

But, if someone lets themselves get led by the nose then that is the someone's problem.

 

[Batrix2070]

Poland has secretly been orchestrating everything. Illuminati? Actually Poles. World Bank? Run from Warsaw, by Polish bankers. Control of the media? Secretly Poles all along.

And in order to keep everything a perfect secret, the Poles hid it behind a veil that it was done by Jews. This was not difficult because where were the most Jews over the centuries?
In Poland! To this day, the elites of the conspiracy are unable to believe that the world bought it.

Moon landing conspiracy? Poland can into space!

Not really, not Poland but an older version of it can into space and it's the one that sent the Poles to Earth.
It's called the Great Lechian Empire, it was their ship that crashed near Roswell. It was with the help of a secret ancient Lechite technology that the Americans got into space where they met the Lechites on their secret base on the moon.

 

[Batrix2070]

Yes, we all know that Polish Russia Derangement Syndrome and Polish 'we wuz Zohoposhpolitah' Chūnibyō are very common among their ruling class and many of the populace, that makes them very easy to control and lead around.

But, if someone lets themselves get led by the nose then that is the someone's problem.

Yes, another confirmation that you get your knowledge about Poland from Russian propaganda. This is bullshit, awesome funny bullshit because you say it seriously, when I know it's a lie. If it wasn't for the fact that I heard about it from Russian TV I would think you made it up.

PS. I'll tell you a secret Poland has its own Zheposhspolita, that's its real name. Rzeczpospolita Polska, in English Republic of Poland or more traditionally Commonwealth of Poland, or strongly classically Polish Commonwealth. After all, there's a reason our country is also called the Third Republic of Poland, because it's the successor to the Second Republic and that First Republic is the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

You see, we have what we want and without the Borderlands! We just want them to be free from Russia.

 

[Tiamat]

Of course! Behind it all, these long centuries: the winged hussar!

That is what @Agent23 has been trying to tell us with those feathers! It all makes sense now!

Poland has secretly been orchestrating everything. Illuminati? Actually Poles. World Bank? Run from Warsaw, by Polish bankers. Control of the media? Secretly Poles all along. Moon landing conspiracy? Poland can into space!

This was absolute gold and made my day. THANK YOU.

 

[Megadeath]

Question how do you define cultural destruction? Do you condemn Americas actions in Japan after world war 2? Specifically imposing democracy and the humanity declaration.

I don't have an off the top of the head definition for cultural destruction, but then I never used the term. And, of course I don't condemn American actions in Japan, rather I laud them. Just as I do the handling of Nazi Germany. I would actually agree that both can in fact be considered a form of cultural destruction. Where a culture is dysfunctional and dangerous enough, I don't necessarily consider that an inherently bad thing. I believe the international law and treaty situation is actually somewhat more restrictive. It's also worth noting though that in both cases the destruction of the malignant cultures was managed without mass deportations, destroying families (Beyond what was unavoidable due to legal proceedings against specific individuals.), the targeted destruction of cultural and historic sites, or indeed many of the other immoral and reprehensible methods Russia are attempting to use against Ukraine. It also didn't lead to genocide, massive and lasting unrest, ethnic conflict or any of the other horrible consequences that some depraved individuals have suggested are unavoidable without using those unacceptable methods.

 

[Agent23]

Yes, another confirmation that you get your knowledge about Poland from Russian propaganda. This is bullshit, awesome funny bullshit because you say it seriously, when I know it's a lie. If it wasn't for the fact that I heard about it from Russian TV I would think you made it up.

Oh, really, so you aren't doing whatever the USA wants where Russia is concerned and you aren't causing tons of problems for the EU?
Same EU which the USA apparently wants to fuck over and fragment.

PS. I'll tell you a secret Poland has its own Zheposhspolita, that's its real name. Rzeczpospolita Polska, in English Republic of Poland or more traditionally Commonwealth of Poland, or strongly classically Polish Commonwealth. After all, there's a reason our country is also called the Third Republic of Poland, because it's the successor to the Second Republic and that First Republic is the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

You see, we have what we want and without the Borderlands! We just want them to be free from Russia.

Well excuse me if learning Polish is not a very high priority, or if I remember all your weird political agglomerations which all sound like the name of an overpriced women's clothing store.

 

[Batrix2070]

Oh, really, so you aren't doing whatever the USA wants where Russia is concerned and you aren't causing tons of problems for the EU?
Same EU which the USA apparently wants to fuck over and fragment.

Have you heard of such a thing as a convergence of interests? If not, you just got an example. Poland and the U.S. have converging interests in the same places and de facto have no reason to argue. So the deal of a lifetime for both sides, because on the whole both sides will get what they want.

Well excuse me if learning Polish is not a very high priority, or if I remember all your weird political agglomerations which all sound like the name of an overpriced women's clothing store.

It's high time to start learning, it will be useful for you in the future. If I remember correctly Bulgaria is part of the Trisea.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Video Quality on Scott Ritter's webcam is pretty good. Then again I guess that shouldn't be surprising.

 

[Agent23]

Have you heard of such a thing as a convergence of interests? If not, you just got an example. Poland and the U.S. have converging interests in the same places and de facto have no reason to argue. So the deal of a lifetime for both sides, because on the whole both sides will get what they want.

Yeah, which doesn't make you anything other than at best a junior partner and at worst more canon fodder.

Although we do have the circular human centipede situation, with the various diasporas demanding stuff from the USA and you guys feeding them your own propaganda, then the US media, deep state and the rest of the MIC goes along with it and they feed you shit back.

It's high time to start learning, it will be useful for you in the future. If I remember correctly Bulgaria is part of the Trisea.

So, you finally admit you are trying to carve up a large chunk of Eastern Europe as your fiefdom?

Als, most Poles I've had to deal with on work related matters knew decent English and I prefer to work with westerners since they pay more.Offers from Poland are usually around 30/hr.

 

[Batrix2070]

So, you finally admit you are trying to carve up a large chunk of Eastern Europe as your fiefdom?

What fiefdom? Are you unable to think other than in imperial terms? It is simply cooperation between states.

Yeah, which doesn't make you anything other than at best a junior partner and at worst more canon fodder.

It looks at all other junior partners of the US, it looks at Russia's satellites. You know, there is a difference between being a junior partner of America and Russia. With an incredible advantage on America's side.
The U.S. even at its worst is a much better deal than Russia at its best.

Cannon fodder, on the other hand, well. It is only in Soviet thinking to treat their "allies" as cannon fodder. And you, unfortunately, betray that thinking.

 

[Agent23]

What fiefdom? Are you unable to think other than in imperial terms? It is simply cooperation between states.

Yeah, with you trying to boss everyone around like in the good old days of the PLC, and drag us into that confrontation with the Russians you are so obsessed over.

It looks at all other junior partners of the US, it looks at Russia's satellites. You know, there is a difference between being a junior partner of America and Russia. With an incredible advantage on America's side.
The U.S. even at its worst is a much better deal than Russia at its best.

Tell that to the Shah of Iran, Ngo Dinh Diem, Saddam Husein, Park Chung-hee and the people of their respective countries, and all the victims of their secret police.

 

[AmosTrask]

😄 The Ukrainians sent a drone through Russian Air Defence Nets all the way to Moscow Oblast. Within 80 km of Moscow undetected. Two days later they launched TU-141 Soviet era cruise missiles. Beautiful.

On the Bahkmut front the Ukrainians are preparing to pull out. Recon and drone units have received orders midnight March 2nd to withdraw to the new combat zone. Infantry and armor will be the last to pull out. I expect the Russians to follow through on their usual atrocities. A clearly intoxicated Prigozhin stated in open video broadcast a surrender demand parading some teenagers and elderly. Now whether they are actually Ukrainian civilians or Russian actors. The implied threat to the civilian population is clear.

Marduk isn't mrttao American? Why is he supporting the Russian genocide of Ukrainian civilians? Or did I read his post wrong?

 

[Marduk]

Yeah, with you trying to boss everyone around like in the good old days of the PLC, and drag us into that confrontation with the Russians you are so obsessed over.

Tell that to the Shah of Iran, Ngo Dinh Diem, Saddam Husein, Park Chung-hee and the people of their respective countries,

Poor little dictators, guess USA does not protect their own at all cost no matter what they do, not like Russia with Assad and Yanukovych... But hey, i'm not a dictator nor particularly care about any, so lemme get my tiny violin.

and all the victims of their secret police.

That's a ridiculous complaint for someone who shills for the KGB officer turned dictator every day and is comparing the country he runs to USA to make. It's like North Korea accusing USA of starving its citizens, a total clown show.

Marduk isn't mrttao American? Why is he supporting the Russian genocide of Ukrainian civilians? Or did I read his post wrong?

Idunno, ask him, people have all sorts of weird opinions.

 

[King Arts]

I don't have an off the top of the head definition for cultural destruction, but then I never used the term. And, of course I don't condemn American actions in Japan, rather I laud them. Just as I do the handling of Nazi Germany. I would actually agree that both can in fact be considered a form of cultural destruction. Where a culture is dysfunctional and dangerous enough, I don't necessarily consider that an inherently bad thing. I believe the international law and treaty situation is actually somewhat more restrictive. It's also worth noting though that in both cases the destruction of the malignant cultures was managed without mass deportations, destroying families (Beyond what was unavoidable due to legal proceedings against specific individuals.), the targeted destruction of cultural and historic sites, or indeed many of the other immoral and reprehensible methods Russia are attempting to use against Ukraine. It also didn't lead to genocide, massive and lasting unrest, ethnic conflict or any of the other horrible consequences that some depraved individuals have suggested are unavoidable without using those unacceptable methods.

I was responding to the thing where you said cultural genocide is genocide. Cultural destruction is cultural genocide. So you are saying that genocide is only good when your side does it. Also you are either a liar or ridiculously ignorant. American strategic bombing targeting many historical sites, it also directly interfered with Japans religion. And there was a genocide of Germans after ww2. Which the US did not condemn or do anything about. So wrong again.

 

[Megadeath]

I was responding to the thing where you said cultural genocide is genocide. Cultural destruction is cultural genocide. So you are saying that genocide is only good when your side does it. Also you are either a liar or ridiculously ignorant. American strategic bombing targeting many historical sites, it also directly interfered with Japans religion. And there was a genocide of Germans after ww2. Which the US did not condemn or do anything about. So wrong again.

But, I did not say that cultural genocide is genocide? Also, cultural destruction is not cultural genocid. So no, I'm not saying that genocide is only good when "my side" does it. You're blatantly twisting things to try and make them fit some stupid "gotcha" narrative. In fact, if you could read you'd see that what I've said from the start is that discussion of the "best" or "most moral" way to handle a conquered people is a moot point, as conquest itself is immoral. I think I've been quite clear on that point, and in fact have barely mentioned genocide.

As for American actions, absolutely some targets were hit as collateral damage in bombing. There were also blatant war crimes, like the fire bombing of Dresden by the allies. However they weren't part of a pattern or deliberate strategy as it clearly is with Russian actions in Ukraine. Regarding interfering with the religion, I already said that I would agree that their actions could be considered culturally destructive, and that such isn't inherently wrong. Honestly it feels like you asked what you thought was a gotcha question and then sprung the answer without any actual regard for what I'd said either in answer or initially. Any genocide of the Germans happened under the auspices of soviet occupation. Them not acting against it or condemning it was morally wrong, but politically necessary. It also didn't spring from the fact that in the parts that western countries were administering they didn't practice the kind of ruthless and immoral practices being preached by morally bankrupt cretins.

If you're going to try and continue this argument, please read my actual posts and then go yet another difficult step further and relate your own responses to that. If you can't be bothered to make that simple effort, why should I bother to engage with you?

 

[Cherico]

I think this year particularly the spring will show who will win or lose this war

 

[AmosTrask]

And in order to keep everything a perfect secret, the Poles hid it behind a veil that it was done by Jews. This was not difficult because where were the most Jews over the centuries?
In Poland! To this day, the elites of the conspiracy are unable to believe that the world bought it.

Not really, not Poland but an older version of it can into space and it's the one that sent the Poles to Earth.
It's called the Great Lechian Empire, it was their ship that crashed near Roswell. It was with the help of a secret ancient Lechite technology that the Americans got into space where they met the Lechites on their secret base on the moon.

Yes, another confirmation that you get your knowledge about Poland from Russian propaganda. This is bullshit, awesome funny bullshit because you say it seriously, when I know it's a lie. If it wasn't for the fact that I heard about it from Russian TV I would think you made it up.

PS. I'll tell you a secret Poland has its own Zheposhspolita, that's its real name. Rzeczpospolita Polska, in English Republic of Poland or more traditionally Commonwealth of Poland, or strongly classically Polish Commonwealth. After all, there's a reason our country is also called the Third Republic of Poland, because it's the successor to the Second Republic and that First Republic is the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

You see, we have what we want and without the Borderlands! We just want them to be free from Russia.

God damn. I burst out laughing in the middle of eating. I almost choked to death on a chicken wing. 😄 it's a good think my sister is a nurse.

 

[Bacle]

I think this year particularly the spring will show who will win or lose this war

No, this war's pace, and likely it's victor, is likely to be dictated by two things, Western support, and weather.

And only one of those is in control of Ukraine and it's allies.

Weather/seasonal cycles dictate the pace of operations as much as any human factor, and do not care what flag you fly.

The decisive terrain is Crimea; there is no use trying to retake the Donbass in it's entirety until Crimea is retaken and secured, otherwise any Ukrainian forces trying to retake the Donbass will still be under fire from Russian aircraft and drones operating out of Crimea.

Retaking Crimea also first requires at least putting at risk the whole landbridge, if not cutting it entirely, and probably a few more strikes on the Kerch, if not destroying it entirely.

This is not going to be a fast war, it is not going to be 'decided' until Putin is dead or replaced and we see who his successor is and if they are more willing to accept Russia will never keep Ukraine's lands, even if it might take a few years for Ukraine to push Russia back out of them. I do not think the average person in Ukraine has any real desire to trust Russia's word on anything ever again, and they know anything less than the 1991 borders is just a delaying action for another invasion 5-8 years down the road. If Russia is able to keep any part of Ukraine, they will try for all of it eventually, and then they will begin work on it's neighbors.

The more support the west gives Ukraine, the more weapons and ammo they have, and the more pressure is put on places like India and the CCP to not do business with Russia, the better.

 

[AmosTrask]

@Blasterbot in response to your oddly written question that seems to advocate genocide. Since a fellow member brought it up before I could. Post World War 2 Japan and Germany.

I don't have an off the top of the head definition for cultural destruction, but then I never used the term. And, of course I don't condemn American actions in Japan, rather I laud them. Just as I do the handling of Nazi Germany. I would actually agree that both can in fact be considered a form of cultural destruction. Where a culture is dysfunctional and dangerous enough, I don't necessarily consider that an inherently bad thing. I believe the international law and treaty situation is actually somewhat more restrictive. It's also worth noting though that in both cases the destruction of the malignant cultures was managed without mass deportations, destroying families (Beyond what was unavoidable due to legal proceedings against specific individuals.), the targeted destruction of cultural and historic sites, or indeed many of the other immoral and reprehensible methods Russia are attempting to use against Ukraine. It also didn't lead to genocide, massive and lasting unrest, ethnic conflict or any of the other horrible consequences that some depraved individuals have suggested are unavoidable without using those unacceptable methods.