Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[Marduk]

Ree harder, we all know that is all you can do, and call people who disagree with your NAFO brain diarrhea commie and Vatnik and so on.

Why are you ashamed of who you are?

We all know that when you can't use pseudo-morslistic drivel

Lol... Said the head pseudo-moralist whining about warmongers himself.
Sorry, but is you want to be the cool cat who mogs on pseudo-moralists, you need to look at all the new "peace movement" equivalents, "anti war" movements, whiny isolationists, anti western "anti imperialists".... and run the fuck away in the opposite direction, for those are all some of the biggest pseudo-moralists in the world, a bunch of entry-level SJWs trying to recruit the dissatisfied right, left and center, through the route of more conventional internationalistic leftism, caring about poor little shitholes and their el presidentes being oppressed by the evil warmongering West.
As the saying goes, KGB cares not who its useful idiots are and what bullshit they believe or why they believe it, only that they are many and that they stay useful.

and your attempt to organize struggle sessions agsinst your opponents fail you just default to attacking the messenger.

Your opinion is, as it has always been, null and void.

Get messengers who aren't publicly known for shilling what you usually shill then
Your opinion is as always ridiculous, pathetic, and undermining your own message's credibility.

 

[Agent23]

Why are you ashamed of who you are?

Lol... Said the head pseudo-moralist whining about warmongers himself.
Sorry, but is you want to be the cool cat who mogs on pseudo-moralists, you need to look at all the new "peace movement" equivalents, "anti war" movements, whiny isolationists, anti western "anti imperialists".... and run the fuck away in the opposite direction, for those are all some of the biggest pseudo-moralists in the world, a bunch of entry-level SJWs trying to recruit the dissatisfied right, left and center, through the route of more conventional internationalistic leftism, caring about poor little shitholes and their el presidentes being oppressed by the evil warmongering West.
As the saying goes, KGB cares not who its useful idiots are and what bullshit they believe or why they believe it, only that they are many and that they stay useful.

Get messengers who aren't publicly known for shilling what you usually shill then
Your opinion is as always ridiculous, pathetic, and undermining your own message's credibility.

 

[Zachowon]

Yes, but also no.

The main situation where the US would conceivably need help is with China, where Japan would likely be more useful.

Any other nation either has nukes and so military power isn't the real issue, or is so weak relative to the US that having military allies isn't as critical.

Russia preparing to massively mobilize full-time students - intelligence

www.ukrinform.net

Also, I feel like Russia didn't learn from the Cold War at all - the economic hegemon inevitably becomes the military hegemon. Then again, it appears we immediately forgot that lesson as well if you look at our relationship with China.

In the long run Russia mobilizing it's student population is a waste.

Economically we are taking over what Russia jad held in EU due to them being stupid.
It benefits us economically not militarily.
Thiugh they do buy our equipment. Look at Poland

 

[Scooby Doo]

UK denies Challenger 2 gift to Ukraine reduces operational capabilities by nearly a third - Breaking Defense
Jeez what the fuck UK, how is 14 tanks one third of your total amount?

Even Somalia has more tanks than that

 

[mrttao]

UK denies Challenger 2 gift to Ukraine reduces operational capabilities by nearly a third - Breaking Defense
Jeez what the fuck UK, how is 14 tanks one third of your total amount?

Even Somalia has more tanks than that

The USA has been protecting them for decades.
Why spend money on tanks when it can be grifted by the ruling caste

 

[Zachowon]

Because they are more focused on thier navy and air force and have been neglecting thier Army.
The French have the biggest Army in Western Europe

 

[Blasterbot]

UK denies Challenger 2 gift to Ukraine reduces operational capabilities by nearly a third - Breaking Defense
Jeez what the fuck UK, how is 14 tanks one third of your total amount?

Even Somalia has more tanks than that

because they don't give a fuck about their army. navy and air matters more for them. they do however need to keep some industry for production just in case.

 

[AmosTrask]

UK denies Challenger 2 gift to Ukraine reduces operational capabilities by nearly a third - Breaking Defense
Jeez what the fuck UK, how is 14 tanks one third of your total amount?

Even Somalia has more tanks than that

The Royal Navy gets the first priority for funds. Airforce gets higher priority than Army. But the two junior services have to fight for the remaining 15 to 25 percent of the budget dependent on the MoD's security priorities. It is the reason the Royal Marines and Army focus so much on cross training, and actively encourages soldiers to pursue more than one specialist role and offers bonuses for it. With the lack of funding they have to increase each soldier's quality and capabilities. Because new equipment and more men are never going to be approved.

 

[Scooby Doo]

The Royal Navy gets the first priority for funds. Airforce gets higher priority than Army. But the two junior services have to fight for the remaining 15 to 25 percent of the budget dependent on the MoD's security priorities. It is the reason the Royal Marines and Army focus so much on cross training, and actively encourages soldiers to pursue more than one specialist role and offers bonuses for it. With the lack of funding they have to increase each soldier's quality and capabilities. Because new equipment and more men are never going to be approved.

How big is the royal navy anyway? Has to be pretty dam big to do such large budget cuts

 

[AmosTrask]

How big is the royal navy anyway? Has to be pretty dam big to do such large budget cuts

72 commissioned ships, 431 000 UK tonnes displacement. It's small but heavily armed and constantly upgraded.

The largest effective navy is the USN. China has more hulls but they are mostly frigates, cutters and the maritime militia ships that are officially fishing boats. A militia that dont officially exist but operates all over the Pacific bullying the smaller nations while Chinese boats rape and pillage the seas of all life. Militia Fishing boats that don't fish and have hatches that suspiciously look like torpedo launcher doors below the waterline and light guns poorly disguised as cranes.

They are chaff meant to soak up damage in an engagement with the USN although in that case I'm sure US technology would render that irrelevant.

Russia had missile cruisers and subs. But most of those ships are rusted to hell, including active ships. The last time Russia did a show the flag cruise and allowed tourists around the Baltic on their ships rust and patches of welded segments was visible even when they tried painting over them. Old school 2D displays from the 50s mated to more modern sensors and a weird insistence on analog controls and lack of computerization. Everything must be reported up to the captain and he has to decide. Where a USN ship detects and engages ships within microseconds of the Air Defense radar sensing a threat. Russians can take 15 seconds on the most well drilled ships'(rare because drills cost money and ammo and therefore less money for officers to steal) command loop to activate its systems. It's even worse in the army. The Intel on a live firefight has to make it to Central HQ in the regional commands in Russia proper. It has been shown to take 40 minutes to hours for orders to return. Resulting in artillery killing Russian troops being common as the front has shifted multiple times by then.

Artillerymen are kept far away from other soldiers for their safety. Artillerymen are usually beaten if lucky or gang raped and tortured to death at worst if caught alone by other soldiers. This shit is so common it's all over Russian Social Media. But somehow the Russians ignore it and keep supporting Putin saying "Let's not talk about that now. It can wait for after the war."

 

[Bacle]

Russia making noises about Ukraine getting ready to 'invade' Transnistria...which is likely cover to open up another front on Ukraine and try to interdict NATO weapons shipments going to Odessa, and pull more Ukrainian troops away from the other fronts.

We've already seen the reports about Russia looking to seize that airport.

 

[Agent23]

 

[Zachowon]

Gonzo moved out of Ukraine because he rated out arty positions and in return for being got by Ukraine he gave up FSB agents and is now fearing for his life

 

[mrttao]

Russia making noises about Ukraine getting ready to 'invade' Transnistria...which is likely cover to open up another front on Ukraine and try to interdict NATO weapons shipments going to Odessa, and pull more Ukrainian troops away from the other fronts.

Interdicting weapon shipment to your enemy is just common sense.

 

[Zachowon]

Besides the fact we have no evidence that Ukraine is doing such a thing

 

[Zachowon]

 

[mrttao]

Besides the fact we have no evidence that Ukraine is doing such a thing

ok? so you think Bacle is wrong about the facts he presented to us. Great.
out of curiosity through which neighbor do you think they are receiving their weapon shipments?

Anyways, regardless of which country they ship through.
Bacle was trying to make it sound like Russia would be unreasonable if they moved to cut off those weapon shipments aiding the country they are literally at war with.
Which is just being silly. At least make better accusations against them.

 

[Marduk]

Russia making noises about Ukraine getting ready to 'invade' Transnistria...which is likely cover to open up another front on Ukraine and try to interdict NATO weapons shipments going to Odessa, and pull more Ukrainian troops away from the other fronts.

We've already seen the reports about Russia looking to seize that airport.

But... how?
It would give them limited artillery coverage over the bottleneck going between Romania border and Ukraine, however, the few thousands of troops they could get to the place at most, even few tens of thousands if they draft every local man who can walk and shoot somewhat straight... but if they started to use that, it would provoke Ukrainian response, and with no access to external supplies, the whole Transnistria would be an easy win for Ukraine's reserves. Who apparently just happen to be getting ready for exactly such an opportunity.

It could be a distraction for a couple months, even more if kept unused as a sword of Damocles, but in long term it would be a sacrifice of the whole Transnistria card if used.

 

[Bacle]

But... how?
It would give them limited artillery coverage over the bottleneck going between Romania border and Ukraine, however, the few thousands of troops they could get to the place at most, even few tens of thousands if they draft every local man who can walk and shoot somewhat straight... but if they started to use that, it would provoke Ukrainian response, and with no access to external supplies, the whole Transnistria would be an easy win for Ukraine's reserves. Who apparently just happen to be getting ready for exactly such an opportunity.

It would open up another front, and force Ukraine to split more forces off to protect that portion of border as well. And taking over Moldova with 'security forces' to 'protect' it from an fictious Ukrainian invasion is absolutely within Putin's playbook of dirty tricks.

And I don't think arty coverage of the bottle neck is going to feel 'limited' if now Russia is able to harass anything on Ukraine's border with Romania.

 

[Marduk]

It would open up another front, and force Ukraine to split more forces off to protect that portion of border as well. And taking over Moldova with 'security forces' to 'protect' it from an fictious Ukrainian invasion is absolutely within Putin's playbook of dirty tricks.

And I don't think arty coverage of the bottle neck is going to feel 'limited' if now Russia is able to harass anything on Ukraine's border with Romania.

Taking over the whole Moldova with what is there is going to be an even taller order than effectively harassing Ukraine's logistics with Romania... Especially with Ukrainian forces ready to flank them.
The whole Transnistria has something like 1 standing brigade equivalent, 3-4 additional of crappy infantry if they mobilize reserves. While Moldova has little more in terms of standing forces, 3x the reserves, they aren't going to get surprised now, so they can't get blitzed, not by forces like that, and if Ukraine intervenes, Russia is taking an L because the whole place is cut off from anything new getting there from Russia.