Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[Agent23]

I know people who hate the idea of supporting Ukraine - as pointed out by my neighbour @ATP - erecting new statues to Bandera and his butchers is not a friend winning move in Poland.

I know actual RL people who said that "uncle Addy did nothing wrong/what 6 million, that is a commie lie..." and/or that said Austrian artist "Saved Yurup/civilization", they now have 'Sliva Usraina' and gold and blue all over their social media profiles.

I know every people has bad apples.

 

[Agent23]

In case anybody is interested - I'm of an age age where I qualify for the Volksturm only

I am of the "go live in a cabbin in the woods with few months supply or find the urge to go eat real Serb Skara in the event of war", myself.

And in continuation of your previous comment, I really don't see why you'd want to use your national resources to keep syphilis alive.
Then again, some of you guys did ree hard for more EU l/NATO involvement in the war.

Not all Poles, of course, the problem is that you are letting the tail wag the dog, and that tail is partially wagged by the Eurocracy and the USA.

 

[Marduk]

Which reminds me, @Marduk when will you be supporting your side in a more active manner?

You know, from a ditch/trench somewhere close to Donbass instead from your couch shitposting and reeing st people who do not want to support the most corrupt country in Yurup(Yup, Ukraine pre war was more corrupt than Russia), and calling everyone who disagrees with you a communist or a paid Putin shill?

Also, here is a little present for you:

Oh, you want to bring this shit up again?
Seeing how you care more than i do to bring it up:

Heard their recruitment standards are getting lower than ever, no way they would refuse you
I'll be in Donbass right behind you, with the much famed NATO mercenaries that the propagandists you shill constantly talk about (supposedly they do all the cool stuff there, so why would i even consider joining any less important group), as soon as they send me their number, you are lucky to have yours already though.

So, why don't you immigrate to the glorious Russian World you shill so much for, you hypocrite? At least i live in NATO and don't whine about it.

(Yup, Ukraine pre war was more corrupt than Russia)

Yeah, congratulatuions to the nationalists for kicking out Putin's scummy buddies like Yanukovych and Medvedchuk

 

[ATP]

I know people who hate the idea of supporting Ukraine - as pointed out by my neighbour @ATP - erecting new statues to Bandera and his butchers is not a friend winning move in Poland.
For quite a few it is like choosing between gonorhea and syphillis - i.e. backing those nice cuddly Ukrainians or supporting those fluffy Russian carebears ...

I do not hate it - simply think,that now,when kgbstan could no longer win,supporting Ukraine is no longer needed.
Certainly not when they glorify butchers of polish children.

In case anybody is interested - I'm of an age age where I qualify for the Volksturm only

And? in some cases,they fought as well,or better,then SS in 1945.
All you need is keep trenches free from soviets.

 

[Bacle]

 

[Agent23]

Oh, you want to bring this shit up again?
Seeing how you care more than i do to bring it up:

Heard their recruitment standards are getting lower than ever, no way they would refuse you
I'll be in Donbass right behind you, with the much famed NATO mercenaries that the propagandists you shill constantly talk about (supposedly they do all the cool stuff there, so why would i even consider joining any less important group), as soon as they send me their number, you are lucky to have yours already though.

So, why don't you immigrate to the glorious Russian World you shill so much for, you hypocrite? At least i live in NATO and don't whine about it.

Yeah, congratulatuions to the nationalists for kicking out Putin's scummy buddies like Yanukovych and Medvedchuk

Sure, sure, Poroshenko, Kolomoisky and your beloved Zelcho are squeaky clean.
Also, Ukraine has been under the control of pro, read bought US people since at least 2014, but then again you needed to use a bullshit counter argument.

Hurr sure, I am in NATO, guess what:

Foreign relations of Bulgaria - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Republic of Bulgaria is a country in Southeast Europe, and a member of both NATO (since 2004) and the European Union (since 2007).[1] It maintains diplomatic relations with 181 countries.[2]

Oh, look, I am in NATO, or rether a citizen of s country thet is part of NATO, too.
And I see zero use from it and see no reason why we should degrade our relations with the Russians over Ukraine or waste our money on that shithole and the EU's desire to gobble it up because it and NATO are ideological bureaucracies without a point to their existence.

You advocate for the institutions our countries are part of to waste money and resources and mess up our diplomatic relations with a 150 million market that provided us all with cheap energy.

I prefer the Garfield approach.

In short, your little retort is full of shit and not an excuse for why your ass is not in a trench defending what you profess to believe in, which from all your dosjoint rants and nitpicks is basically your hate boner for the Russians and some pipe dream about Great Poland/polish Eastern European sphere of influence.

Now, as your excuses and what's outism have been proven to be bullshit, again, get your cowardly ass to Donbass and join up in the Ukrainian Foreign legion you bloody coward and hypocrite.
With your shield or on it!

 

[Marduk]

Sure, sure, Kolomoisky and your beloved Zelcho are squeaky clean.
Also, Ukraine has been under the control of pro, read bought US people since at least 2014, but then again you needed to use a bullshit counter argument.

Since when is getting rid of corruption fast?

Hurr sure, I am in NATO, guess what:

Foreign relations of Bulgaria - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Oh, look, I am in NATO, or rether a citizen of s country thet is part of NATO, too.
And I see zero use from it and see no reason why we should degrade our relations with the Russians over Ukraine or waste our money on that shithole and the EU's desire to gobble it up because it and NATO are ideological bureaucracies without a point to their existence.

You advocate for the institutions our countries are part of to waste money and resources and mess up our diplomatic relations with a 150 million market that provided us all with cheap energy.

>market
>cheap energy
You should know better. Give me the numbers, not marketing bullshit. At least learn to shill properly if you're gonna shill.

I prefer the Garfield approach.

On short, your little retort is full of shit and not an excuse for why your ass is not in a trench defending what you profess to believe in, which from all your dosjoint rants and nitpicks is basically your hate boner for the Russians and some pipe dream about Great Poland/polish Eastern European sphere of influence.

Ah, so the shit you shill you don't believe in at all, got it. Go fuck off then and stop wasting internet bandwidth with your pointless ramblings then.
You can keep the your imaginings about what i believe and why to yourself, no one cares, and you don't need to tell me.

Now get your cowardly ass to Donbass and join up in the Ukrainian Foreign legion you bloody coward and hypocrite.
With your shield or on it!

Only if i can see you there and put a crosshair on you as you frontally assault the trenches, you coward, hypocrite and fucking Quisling.

 

[Agent23]

Since when is getting rid of corruption fast?


>market
>cheap energy
You should know better. Give me the numbers, not marketing bullshit. At least learn to shill properly if you're gonna shill.


Ah, so the shit you shill you don't believe in at all, got it. Go fuck off then and stop wasting internet bandwidth with your pointless ramblings then.
You can keep the your imaginings about what i believe and why to yourself, no one cares, and you don't need to tell me.


Only if i can see you there and put a crosshair on you as you frontally assault the trenches, you coward, hypocrite and fucking Quisling.

Right back at you, chicken hawk.

Remind me, how am I a quisling if I am not a citizen of Ukraine?

I have no dog in this war, and I sure as hell don't see why we need to all sacrifice for your mutt, or rather, your whale.

 

[Marduk]

Right back at you, chicken hawk.

Remind me, how am I a quisling if I am noth a citizen of Ukraine?

You are a citizen of a NATO member state shilling for Russian interests and spreading their propaganda, that makes you a Quisling.

I have no dog in this war, and I sure as hell don't see why we need to all sacrifice for your mutt, or rather, your whale.

Then fuck off already, don't you have any vodka to drink, videogames to play, or thots to simp for?
Yet you are here, reposting the ludicrous claims of Russian propaganda since months. You must have spent dozens of hours on this, if you don't care, why?

 

[Agent23]

You are a citizen of a NATO member state shilling for Russian interests and spreading their propaganda, that makes you a Quisling.


Then fuck off already, don't you have any vodka to drink, videogames to play, or thots to simp for?
Yet you are here, reposting the ludicrous claims of Russian propaganda since months. You must have spent dozens of hours on this, if you don't care, why?

Oh, and since when is Ukraine part of NATO?
Or the EU?

Oh, yeah, it isn't.

And I don't give a rat's ass about NATO to begin with.
Did I vote for it?
No!
Is it a sovereign nation I am a citizen of?
No!
It is an amorphous bureaucratic blob thet didn't have a reason for existing until it expanded into one.

Keep on reeing, oh bellicose Polish irrelevance.

 

[Marduk]

Oh, and since when is Ukraine part of NATO?
Or the EU?

Bulgaria is a part of NATO, so is Romania, Poland and few other countries bordering Russia, and those are absolutely concerned about Russia's wars of conquest in Europe, and rightfully so.

Oh, yeah, it isn't.

And I don't give a rat's ass about NATO to begin with.
Did I vote for it?
No!
Is it a sovereign nation I am a citizen of?
No!
It is an amorphous bureaucratic blob thet didn't have a reason for existing until it expanded into one.

Keep on reeing, oh bellicose Polish irrelevance.

For someone who can't stop telling everyone about how much he doesn't care about any of the things involved, you do talk an awful lot about all the related stuff. You're some kind of a tsundere shill.
"It's not like i care about the whole war, NATO, Russia, EU, Ukraine or anything, baka, now let me spam Russian propaganda around all the related threads for months and how much i'm butthurt about Poland having any kind of international relevance to show you how little i care".

 

[Agent23]

Bulgaria is a part of NATO, so is Romania, Poland and few other countries bordering Russia, and those are absolutely concerned about Russia's wars of conquest in Europe, and rightfully so.


For someone who can't stop telling everyone about how much he doesn't care about any of the things involved, you do talk an awful lot about all the related stuff. You're some kind of a tsundere shill.
"It's not like i care about the whole war, NATO, Russia, EU, Ukraine or anything, baka, now let me spam Russian propaganda around all the related threads for months and how much i'm butthurt about Poland having any kind of international relevance to show you how little i care".

I care because those bullshit organizations impact me when they try to expand, start pointless conflicts like in Yugoslavia, Libya and Siria and push for more expansion of EU control, expansion of the Eurozone or territorial expansion of the EU.
I have no dog in this war, and I don't care about the mutts a few reetards in the NATO and the EU bureaucracy and you bellicose NAFO fanboys and cowardly polish irredentists might have, in fact I would love it for their mutts to be dragged out and executed before their very eyes.

 

[Terthna]

As to Ukraine, it did not exist as anything prior to the end of WWI and it is made up of land thst is either historically Russian, part of the old Kievan Rus, not that there is much distinction, and that the Russians bled for and controlled for hundreds of years.

So? They're a country in their own right now, and the people of Ukraine deserve the right to self-governance just as much as everyone else does. The ones who actually want it, I mean; as I also thought the people of Crimea deserved the right to decide that they wanted to be part of Russia instead.

 

[Agent23]

So? They're a country in their own right now, and the people of Ukraine deserve the right to self-governance just as much as everyone else does. The ones who actually want it, I mean; as I also thought the people of Crimea deserved the right to decide that they wanted to be part of Russia instead.

Have a conversation with some of their nationalists sometime and repeat that, they are legit dumber than the we wuz kangz Americans.

As I said, I don't care at best and view it as an artificial construct of the USSR in its current state.
I don't mind it going back to it's original borders, which means landlocked western Ukraine, with historically Russian bits reverting to Russia and the historically Polish bits reverting to Poland.

But frankly, I want to see it cut into bits because it is the toy of the neolibs, neocons, Biden and the EU.

The forces behind Ukraine are all forces I despise.

Shooting their dog will be lovely.

 

[Bacle]

So? They're a country in their own right now, and the people of Ukraine deserve the right to self-governance just as much as everyone else does. The ones who actually want it, I mean; as I also thought the people of Crimea deserved the right to decide that they wanted to be part of Russia instead.

Crimea was a referendum at gun point, with the troops carried in by helo's and the local Black Sea Naval Infantry, just like all the other ones Russia has done, and the Kremlin deports the native pop to colonize with their own as soon as they can.

The fact there are Ukrainian irregulars and partisans in Crimea and the Donbass, to this day, shows gun-point referendums did not work as well as Russia would have liked.

 

[Terthna]

Have a conversation with some of their nationalists sometime and repeat that, they are legit dumber than the we wuz kangz Americans.

As I said, I don't care at best and view it as an artificial construct of the USSR in its current state.
I don't mind it going back to it's original borders, which means landlocked western Ukraine, with historically Russian bits reverting to Russia and the historically Polish bits reverting to Poland.

But frankly, I want to see it cut into bits because it is the toy of the neolibs, neocons, Biden and the EU.

The forces behind Ukraine are all forces I despise.

Shooting their dog will be lovely.

Crimea was a referendum at gun point, with the troops carried in by helo's and the local Black Sea Naval Infantry, just like all the other ones Russia has done, and the Kremlin deports the native pop to colonize with their own as soon as they can.

The fact there are Ukrainian irregulars and partisans in Crimea and the Donbass, to this day, shows gun-point referendums did not work as well as Russia would have liked.

There's something to be said for being told you're wrong by people on both sides of a conflict.

 

[Agent23]

There's something to be said for being told you're wrong by people on both sides of a conflict.

Oh, and while we are on that subject, why don't you check what your State Department's pet national socialists do to the ethnic Hungarians and Romanians (don't care about those since the stripper factory Komsus lick NATO/US ass harder than Kiro the coke snorter did.) and Besarabian Bulgarians.

Yeah, fuck Ukraine.

And fuck the "other side" you are referencing, too.

If It makes them ree like the Clinton fanclub did when Trump eon then I would not mind the whole of Ukraine turning into a burned, charred, lifeless wasteland.

 

[Marduk]

I care because those bullshit organizations impact me when they try to expand, start pointless conflicts like in Yugoslavia, Libya and Siria and push for more expansion of EU control, expansion of the Eurozone or territorial expansion of the EU.

Why the fuck do you give a damn about Syria or Libya? What interests do you or your country of all countries have there?
Why do you care about "bullshit organizations expanding" but with exception to those run from Moscow? You said you "prefer the Garfield approach" yet you care about world events no less than those you try to attack, possibly even more, but in different pattern of directions, one curiously compliant with the political preferences of certain movements that very much pride themselves on caring about everything.

I have no dog in this war, and I don't care about the mutts a few reetards in the NATO and the EU bureaucracy and you bellicose NAFO fanboys and cowardly polish irredentists might have, in fact I would love it for their mutts to be dragged out and executed before their very eyes.

You claim you don't care, ok, then don't care, there are other active threads here, we even have whole subforums that aren't about politics, but your activity on even this small forum contradicts your words there, and in fact implies you care a whole fucking lot.

If you truly didn't care, you would be giving it exactly as much attention as you are giving to the Tigray conflict, if you told me you don't care about that one, i would take your word for it.

 

[Agent23]

Why the fuck do you give a damn about Syria or Libya?

Maybe because as much as I despised Gadaffi for Bulgarian reasons I do not like massive refugee waves flooding into Europe, some coming through here, open air slave markets and ISIS incubators?

Also, sending ships around to play NATO peacekeeper costs money.

 

[Marduk]

Maybe because as much as I despised Gadaffi for Bulgarian reasons I do not like massive refugee waves, open air slave markets and ISIS incubators?

Ah so you do care about what happens in other countries after all, even ones on different continents and a thousand of kilometers away. So what was that with whining about why Ukraine's neighbors interfering with Ukraine getting invaded by their other neighbor, US interventionism, and so on?