Then please tell me what is the point of sanctions?
To weaken the targeted country as much as feasible with easy means.
Even if, lemme put it in videogame terms, a proverbial -10% to economy, that's still a something.
Ok, why are they geopolitically hostile to us, ideologically I understand they are Islamists, or dictatorships vs democracies. But most nations are not ideological they don't care about nation half way around the world and aren't on some sort of crusade to spread the faith of "FREEDOM" to all corners of the globe. Iran is Islamic so they would want to spread Shia Islam yes. But could they realistically do that? No neocons keep screaming on how our enemies are going to "come take ur freedumbz" Even if we left the middle east entirely Iran's victory is far from assured most Arabs are Sunni, you might say Arabs are incompetent and that the Persians would be able to win, but you are forgetting their are Islamic nations that are Sunni that are not Arab like Turkey who would not want Iran to become master of the middle east. And that's not even factoring Israel. So tell me why must Americans come and throw their weight around and make themselves hated? I say let them fight.
You don't want the ME to turn into discount WW2 in religious flavor. See: 1973.
Even if Iran would lose in the end, it would be one hell of a pain in the ass for America and even more so its allies. Deliberate shoving your head as far into the sand for as long as possible as you can seems to be your idea of policy that should be promoted here, which obviously is the opposite of good policy.
>make themselves hated
Get your head out of the anti-western isolationist media bubble, it's a bad influence, full of sick people like leftists and naive pacifists.
Again enemy means you are actively fighting. There is no point of having negative diplomatic relations if you aren't actively at war.
FFS, can you stop saying utterly ridiculous shit for a few months?
Try applying that thinking to the Cold War.
I mean the differance being is because of nukes we could not allow the cold war to go hot. If we could fight the Soviets without causing human extinction we absolutely should have.
Again with overly simplistic comparisons and proud ignorance of all the little annoying details behind the real situation. HOW?
Good luck getting the US congresscritters and public to support open war against Iran in current year.
Do you honestly think that Iran would be able to export Shia Islam? Why what makes you think it's a serious danger?
They can do plenty enough of damage by trying, and they already have a couple relative successes.
Why would they consider us enemies long term? Again if America was not in the area people there would not hate us, do they hate the Japanese or Cambodians? No people only hate those they interact with.
Did you read my links?
What part of "West and Christians" do you struggle to understand, and where does it translate to "those damn interventionist Americans, no problem with the rest of westerners and Christians though".
Ironically, Iran did attack a Japanese tanker too:
en.wikipedia.org
Well guess i have to wish you luck building a time machine to the Age of Sail, because that's the last time just deciding to not interact with distant powers could have much effect.
Oh by the way how do I quote those two posts you linked to, I want to say that only half of one post refers to Iran and it's not simping to say a nation is a rational actor, and request for proof that they would be irrational. I mean the fucking Soviet Union was a rational actor.
Well the latter isn't simping for Iran, the latter is you admitting to being fucking ridiculous. How do you expect me to provide proof of a prediction? Will you accept a signed statement of a fortune teller? If not, guess you understand what a ridiculous expectation did you have.
The second one said that Iran treats Christians better than the Soviet Union. That's pretty fucking obvious are you simping for the communists? Atheist regimes are the worst atrocities and horrors ever brought upon the world. The Muslims with their thousand plus years of trying to invade Europe have caused less harm than just the Soviet Union not even communists as a whole, and it's really crazy when you think of it that the Soviet Union were actually moderate communists compared to what could have been. Mao was even worse, and the absolute worst of the bunch was the Khmer Rouge. Yes the Islamists are bad but they are merely theives and burglars compared to communists who are pedo rapist, cannibal serial killers.
If Muslims had the armies and weapons of "atheist regimes", you would be singing a different tune. Those can be logically considered rational actors, because they are obviously materialistic and don't want to die. Can you say the same of the Twelver Shia theocracy?
Can you prove any of this? This is the same Bush era shit "They hate us for our freedoms!" bullshit. Iran would like us to become Muslims yes but I doubt they would try especially hard when they have other issues at home and in the middle east. As for the CCP I admit I don't know much if they are honest and truly believe in Maoism then yes they would, but if they simply are authoritorians then no they wouldn't.
I've linked you excerpts from the bloody IRGC handbooks, what more do you want?
Do i need to get the Supreme Leader himself on call to answer your questions and convince you that no, Islamic Revolution is not an isolationist religion of peace?
You have no arguments, you can only repeat ridiculous dogma straight from a collection of stereotypical isolationist talking points, and ask for ever more proof, anyone can do that.
The problem here is your dogmatic belief in isolationism being the side effect free cure for all the problems of international politics that is absolutely not shared by any of the more ambitious politicians of the world, western or anti-western, the latter especially would laugh in your face at the mere suggestion of applying that sort of thinking in their neighborhood. USA is a giant economy and political influence on the world, and it also works the other way around, like it or not, hence anything it does or doesn't affect the global situation, as in them too. They know it, you know it, and they know you know it, and so it is bound to be in their interest to involve themselves into affairs that will affect that.
And your nonsense about Russia is false. Russia is a mafia state they don't have an ideology they don't care if other nations are democracy, dictatorship, or monarchy, or anything. As long as it doesen't affect their power at home and in their satelite states.
>their satellite states
Here you go...
That's a very dangerous term to throw around while living in the glass house of isolationism.
Is it some sort of "get out of jail free" card for excusing the same stuff you whine about USA doing, except much harder, by other powers, just because their reach in doing it is shorter than USA's?
