To each their own then. The complaints were too hot, too many bugs, too wet, too far from anything. Nothing to do but hunt and fish. Sounds almost like a tropical swamp from their complaints.
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Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion
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So even toilets and toiletries from the EU will be sanctioned now...that might finally break the civies in Russia, if they are forced to rely on the CCP for basic toiletries, and break a lot of lingering economic ties with the EU that could be used to move money around sanctions.
mrttao
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> Punish putin
... how is it punishing putin? he has toilets already
also do they really think russia can't make toilets? this is not rocket science here. it is simple porcelain.
basically the limitations are going to get increasingly petty with time, in an effort to get Russia out of the Ukraine because the EU fully knows and understands that once Ukraine falls the war wont end there, and after 30 plus years of neglecting their military europe would most likely have a war that would crush all of europes delusions and their self esteem, and that's if it doesn't go nuclear which is possible.
So yeah the EU is desperate and will be throwing everything into tilting this.
Incredibly ironic as those are some of the main import of the sub department of Army Logistics that handles loot. They evaluate, organize and fence or provide shipping of the loot to a soldier's family for a percentage. It's the one segment of Russian Army Logistics that is efficient, works on time and has minimum graft. 😄 The department has a transhipment hub in Minsk and Rostov on Don it's members never see combat unless they piss off their boss and get transferred to the Frontline.
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Oh, it's all of those things too! My buddies were mostly speaking about the joy they get from being the OPFOR for the training command that gets to face off against all the units that rotate in for training.
It's swampland alright. Near 100% humidity, with summer temps in the 90-100's F.
It's less about the how complicated the production process is, and more about removing as many avenues of sanctions avoidance as possible for Russia.
Making it so even basic toiletries cannot be sold to Russia anymore will help severe some of the last links Russia can use to get foreign currency and goods in an above the board manner.
This also forces Russia to lean even more heavily on the CCP for basics.
As I figured, the sanctions are more about removing some of the ability of the Russian military to function at the level it's at right now.
When toiletries are likely to become scarce at home, it'll be even harder to provide even minimal hygiene products to the Russian troops, and that can have a degradational effect on morale and effectiveness as times wears on.
Your friends are hated by everyone else in your military and every NATO unit who've trained with them. Good operators from what I've heard. But everyone who talks about OPFOR most commonly call them dirty, cheating bastards. The Royal Marines hate your friends. Lol
Yup!
The cheating is intentional. Welcome to war..or at least the harshest approximation we can develop!
All that said, US training philosophy is to make the training harder than any conflict we might face.
King Arts
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Dude you need to stop with the copium and just uncritically supporting every action of the establishment. Most sanctions (except for those that deal with critical materials like weapons steel etc) are pointless they don’t inconvenience the leadership. Putin and his inner circle can get domestic indoor plumbing and toilets he’ll they could be gold. As for the poor Russia is a craphole many of them in the rural area probably have outhouses. This would only probably affect a portion of the Russian middle class. After iran and Cuba I would think most intelligent people would see sanctions as useless.
Lulz. Sanctions are a debuff, not a killshot, even if some politicians market it as the latter. If you fall for that, you don't get to speak for intelligent people.
Here you have a pretty anti-US outlet admitting that sanctions do in fact work in case of Iran.
Iran’s economy reveals power and limits of US sanctions
US sanctions drove Iran into a two-year recession. The economy is now growing, but the upside is limited.
King Arts
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Tell me how long the sanctions on Iran have been going on? 40 years? Only NOW after decades is there a CHANCE NOT A GURANTEE that Iran's government will fall apart. Listen if you are actually planning to go to war within a year or two then sanctions could be useful. Yet that's not how our leaders do things. They just say "Wah I don't like this nation sanction!"Lulz. Sanctions are a debuff, not a killshot, even if some politicians market it as the latter. If you fall for that, you don't get to speak for intelligent people.
Here you have a pretty anti-US outlet admitting that sanctions do in fact work in case of Iran.
Unless "making enemies economically weaker" is something that falls under your defininion of "useless", but that would be very interesting to read.Iran’s economy reveals power and limits of US sanctions
US sanctions drove Iran into a two-year recession. The economy is now growing, but the upside is limited.www.aljazeera.com
That is useless.
LordsFire
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...No it isn't?
Keeping your enemies economically depressed is useful. And given the Iranian propensity for chants of 'death to America,' there's never really been any doubt as to whether or not they're our enemies.
They're also very fond of funding terrorism.
King Arts
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Again sanctions unless you do it to critical things like weapons, or unless you are able to actually prevent them from getting something they actually need like food won't cause them to collapse. If you are doing the same thing for decades and it's not giving any benefit. There is no benefit to limiting trade unless you plan to immediately go to war. We really need to kick out any politician who supports long term sanctions.
LordsFire
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Did you even read what did i write?
This is a geopolitical equivalent of saying some overadvertised detergent is totally fake and doesn't do anything because the ad said it removes all stains while in reality it left some trace of a stain and can't clean some industrial chemical stains. Which makes it mediocre at best, but still by definition not completely useless and worthless.
Just because some people oversell sanctions and they don't meet that arbitrary promise doesn't mean the other extreme, that they do nothing, is true.
There is no time limit on considering a state hostile and treating it accordingly, that idea is ridiculous, impractical, and the leadership of countries you simp for would laugh you out if you suggested they act like it.
That's the opposite of reality. Sanctions do more economic harm over a long term, while a country could make decent preparations to hunker down for a year or two.
King Arts
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My proof is that the Islamic Republic of Iran still exists, and so does the Socialist Republic of Cuba despite decades of sanctions.
No there definitely should be a time limit because eternal alliances and rivals are a ridiculous thing that only fools have subscribed too. By refusing to trade with people we are limiting ourselves. America has forbidden tourism to Cuba, as well as importing Cuban cigars. Neither action has benefitted us. It's just prevented some Americans from getting to enjoy some nice imported goods, for no reason. Because the fucking dictator of Cuba died of natural causes before any of the chickenhawk neocons ever even started a war in Cuba.
So what?
Obviously that has far more to do with changes in the geopolitical arena rather than time itself. It could change in 4 years, or it could stay the same in 40. The case of Iran, which i remember you consistently simping for, is the latter, for the record.
Are you a "line must go up" shitlib now?
“WHAT FOOLS WOULD SELL US THEIR SECRETS?”
Stalin’s supposed remark about Britain’s decision to provide...
No, but it has weakened your enemies. No one claims sanctions make someone richer generally.
>for no reason
Why not just outsource all your industry to China's slave labor while at it.
What the hell does it have to do with sanctions working or not?
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LordsFire
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Did it never occur to you that there are things to gain aside from 'the enemy regime was destroyed'?
The sanctions have done an excellent job of making sure that Iran stays a poor country with a comically equipped military that passes off refurbished F-5s as "new built indigenous fighters" and a plywood mockup with literally Cessna-grade electronics as a "totally advanced stealth fighter".
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