Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion
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Pocky Balboa
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As someone born and raised in the Philipines...
Bruh, no ifs and buts about it the US won the Filipino-American War and it was a vicious war. Don't be daft like a fucking leftard, it's damn insulting to say it isn't a real victory.
Terthna
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While I appreciate and respect what Musk and Project Veritas have done, all they've really managed to accomplish is inform people of some of the things that have been going on behind closed doors; which hasn't actually resulted in anyone being held accountable yet, let alone prevented from doing even more heinous bullhonky on a daily basis. I don't think that's enough to get them to do what you want; and neither do you, when the subject doesn't involve Russia.
I wasn't even talking to him when he inserted himself into the conversation, and tried to catch me in a "gotcha" by bringing up South Korea and West German, like they proved regime change always works out; ignoring the fact that those were the results of wars (and not good results for the people in the other halves of the countries), and not attempts to manipulate local politics the ensure that a political regime more aligned with our own interests took power.
Let me ask again - what kind of ridiculous pretzel logic are you engaging in here? Suggesting that saving half of Korea from communism was a bad move on part of US... because it failed to save the other half too?
How would not doing anything be better at all?
No one claims regime change *always* works out well, and this statement being true is not necessary for attempts at it to be worthwhile anyway.
Blasterbot
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but if they have mixed results asking why and examining what worked well and what didn't is completely reasonable. it also means we need a damn good reason to do it if we got a greater failure than success rate.
Improving the technique of course is always a good idea, but isolationism of course does absolutely nothing to help that.
Not taking on hopeless initiatives is also a good idea, but then again, making a blanket assumption that all cases are hopeless is openly ideological and practically useless.
It's not a game, so the worthwhile success chance doesn't have to be over 50%, it has to be justified in regard to costs and expected benefits. Cheap, backstage attempts can be worth it even at 20%, while even a 100% sure attempt is not worth it if it's expensive and the benefits are meager.
I knew that.You knew that.Everybody with brain knew that.
But,when exactly stopped that Democrats from doing stupid deals with Moscov?
So,they would made it again.Especially ,that they would pay with our,not their property.
Political happenings with regards to Ukraine's defense against the Russian invasion, and Russian actions towards the west.
Includes breakdown of what is going to Ukraine in terms of military equipment; new to this is Paladin SPGs and the announced Bradley aid.
Yeah, after looking into it more, I'd say that the US won the F-A War decisively.
Yeah, that "WW1 fallout causing WW2" analogy rings pretty accurate with GW 1 and 2, on reflection.
I'm actually wondering if some Ukrainian unit will modify a Bradley to have a light cannon than its stock autocannon.
...Fucking hell, Command and Conquer likely predicted the goddamn future.
C&C Tiberian Dawn - Guys Running Away From Tanks In The Desert
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Nod's original Light Tank was an M2 Bradley refitted with a 70mm light cannon.
Not a chance, they need IFVs way more than they need light tanks, and they don't have any decent ~70mm guns available anyway.
Nah, the Bradley's they are getting are the latest model; already video of Bradley's being moved out from Bulgaria towards Ukraine on flatbed trucks.Yeah, after looking into it more, I'd say that the US won the F-A War decisively.
Yeah, that "WW1 fallout causing WW2" analogy rings pretty accurate with GW 1 and 2, on reflection.
I'm actually wondering if some Ukrainian unit will modify a Bradley to have a light cannon than its stock autocannon.
...Fucking hell, Command and Conquer likely predicted the goddamn future.
C&C Tiberian Dawn - Guys Running Away From Tanks In The Desert
Nod's original Light Tank was an M2 Bradley refitted with a 70mm light cannon.
So this time Ukraine won't even need to wait for us to pull old Bradley's out and refit them; they are getting top-line Bradley's straight out of the NATO forward reserves. These are also equipped for anti-drone work, not just infantry support.
Uh...no they are getting A2s.
We arnt sending the newest one because no...
We arnt sending A3s or A4s.
The ones you see are NATO ones for training
Some Army guys on a Discord who posted vids of the Bradley's being moved by flatbed thought they were the latest models, minus the guns.
However, if they were the A2s that were used for training, that's still a good amount of fairly modern firepower. Might not have the neat bits that make the A3's double as drone killers, but it's still an improvement over Soviet-style IFVs.
The A2s are 90s Desert Storm and iirc 03 invasion models.
The ones that have higher T72 kills then the Abrams.
Also, 500 TOWs
Seeing word from people on the ground, including photo's for Discords, that some of the units going to Ukraine are A3's out of the forward storage; something about a transceiver on them that aren't on A2's.
Why would we risk what we have in a A3 being taken captive?
Are they sure these are going to Ukraine or perhaps they are going to a forward deployment in Poland or something like that?
Because they are cheaper and easier in terms of getting Ukraine the capabilities they need now, rather than waiting to upgrade the A2s later. Also likely the same reason we are sending them a clutch of Paladins; faster and cheaper to send Ukraine stuff that's in ready condition, than wait to refurbish older stuff.
Or at least that seems ot be the reasoning I'm seeing from I saw the stuff before; they don't seem to fear it this shit getting into Russian hands, or at least intact, much. And it's just massively logisitically easier to pull some stuff fromt he forward storage and send it east, rather than wait to ship older stuff from CONUS.
Edit: Also, latest Bradley's are A4, only come out in the last year or so supposedly, per same Discord.
Nah, sounds like they were in Bulgaria and were headed east, not north.
So it's most likely heading to Romania. The Foreign NATO bases have been expanded continuously in the last 5 years. Longer if you count the forward deployment of troops when Russia invaded Crimea 2014
That does sound like a Romania NATO deployment.
East of Bulgaria is Turkey or sea, no border with Ukraine.
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