Tiamat
I've seen the future...
Pick better groups of people to get funding from..
Name them.
Pick better groups of people to get funding from..
I believe he is in the isolationism and appeasement side of the debate. People forget their own history.
In other news. Dear Gods! How can the Russians eat these!? I'd rather eat hákarl and fermented shrimp paste uncooked! The flavor would be better. This ration is just empty calories and the minimum nutrition
Name them.
So, who? International politics aren't a wishing well, there is a finite, and in fact very small pool of options for things like this. And in this case you aren't even being picky about allies, you are being picky about the allies of your allies, smh.Pick better groups of people to get funding from.
So you're in the "we'll sulk and stick our head in the sand because we can't have perfect allies that no one has, never had, and never will" camp, congratulations.No, I'm on the 'isolationism and if the Europeans want to buy weapons and what have you from the USA, they can pay for them with money instead of getting them for free. Otherwise, what happens on the other side of the Atlantic isn't America's business'.
And to top off the ridiculousness of your attitude, you ask others to prove a negative.How should I know of any? It’s not my area of expertise. But since you clearly know more then I do, by all means, please provide to me how it’s supposedly impossible for Ukraine to get anything nearly as close as what the WEF and Davos are offering from other sources. As that is your contention, is it not?
So, who? International politics aren't a wishing well, there is a finite, and in fact very small pool of options for things like this. And in this case you aren't even being picky about allies, you are being picky about the allies of your allies, smh.
So you're in the "we'll sulk and stick our head in the sand because we can't have perfect allies that no one has, never had, and never will" camp, congratulations.
And to top off the ridiculousness of your attitude, you ask others to prove a negative.
I never said they are great choices. But as everyone is implying, you will never find them a better choice than similar ones, aka western globalist institutions.Which is why it will no doubt be easy for you to provide specifics and find evidence that the WEF and Davos are great choices for Ukraine and provide said information to me, correct?
They sure will try. Which is still better chances than being conquered by an already existing totalitarian state.And that they’re not just a bunch of money-laundering Globalists who seek to control the world that will screw over Ukraine via GloboHomo initiatives and turn the country into an authoritarian state.
"a war that isn’t any of our concern" is not a designation that can be pinned on anything out of your sheer ignorance of any concerns and unwillingness to learn about them.No, I’m in the ‘what Europe does isn’t any of our business’. It’s not about having ‘perfect allies’. Also, since Ukraine isn’t even an ally, but an ally of our allies in a war that isn’t any of our concern, that’s all the more reason why it’s none of our business.
Ok, prove to me that you're not being mind controlled by agent Yuri to write that.No, I’m asking people to provide evidence that I’m wrong. Instead just saying ‘your wrong, lamo’.
Pick better groups of people to get funding from.
Oh look, you are putting words into my mouth AGAIN.
No, I'm on the 'isolationism and if the Europeans want to buy weapons and what have you from the USA, they can pay for them with money instead of getting them for free. Otherwise, what happens on the other side of the Atlantic isn't America's business'.
How should I know of any? It’s not my area of expertise. But since you clearly know more then I do, by all means, please provide to me how it’s supposedly impossible for Ukraine to get anything nearly as close as what the WEF and Davos are offering from other sources. As that is your contention, is it not?
I see you've learn nothing and are still trying to pretend you haven't swallowed massive amount of Ru propaganda, and burden of proof is on you to provide better options than the WEF, not on others to prove a negative.Which is why it will no doubt be easy for you to provide specifics and find evidence that the WEF and Davos are great choices for Ukraine and provide said information to me, correct? And that they’re not just a bunch of money-laundering Globalists who seek to control the world that will screw over Ukraine via GloboHomo initiatives and turn the country into an authoritarian state.
No, I’m in the ‘what Europe does isn’t any of our business’. It’s not about having ‘perfect allies’. Also, since Ukraine isn’t even an ally, but an ally of our allies in a war that isn’t any of our concern, that’s all the more reason why it’s none of our business.
No, I’m asking people to provide evidence that I’m wrong. Instead just saying ‘your wrong, lamo’.
How should I know of any? It’s not my area of expertise. But since you clearly know more then I do, by all means, please provide to me how it’s supposedly impossible for Ukraine to get anything nearly as close as what the WEF and Davos are offering from other sources. As that is your contention, is it not?
Nobody knows.So what happens after Russia is pushed out of Ukraine?
Ukraine tries to join EU and NATO ASAP.So what happens after Russia is pushed out of Ukraine?
should that happen russia implodes though to what degree is debatable. they likely won't be more than a regional power after that. Ukraine will be massively in debt to many countries and fail to pay that back for a very long time. as marduk says they try and join NATO and EU. how that goes is quite up in the air. letting them in is a big virtue signal but they are gonna be dead weight from an economic and military standpoint and need propping up and massive investment to fix up infrastructure and economy. that may be a plus for certain predatory types.So what happens after Russia is pushed out of Ukraine?
Out of these two for NATO they won't be a drag, if anything a country with the 2nd or 3rd largest army in NATO experienced in large scale near peer warfare is worth a lot for training purposes alone.should that happen russia implodes though to what degree is debatable. they likely won't be more than a regional power after that. Ukraine will be massively in debt to many countries and fail to pay that back for a very long time. as marduk says they try and join NATO and EU. how that goes is quite up in the air. letting them in is a big virtue signal but they are gonna be dead weight from an economic and military standpoint and need propping up and massive investment to fix up infrastructure and economy. that may be a plus for certain predatory types.
they have had a lot of casualties and have had their economy pretty wrecked. their equipment is mostly made outside their nation so their ability to maintain what they got is highly suspect. if Russia falls as hard as many suspect they will on this thread their usefulness as even a staging ground is debatable. how much Nato and the EU would be willing to subsidize them based on that experience is certainly debatable but considering how much of a skinflint Europe tends to be with their defense budgets if Russia isn't a threat anymore I doubt they will invest.Out of these two for NATO they won't be a drag, if anything a country with the 2nd or 3rd largest army in NATO experienced in large scale near peer warfare is worth a lot for training purposes alone.
Even with the casualties they still have more experienced soldiers than vast majority of NATO countries without war, and in a conventional war at that, not COIN shit.they have had a lot of casualties and have had their economy pretty wrecked.
The same is true for at least half of NATO.their equipment is mostly made outside their nation so their ability to maintain what they got is highly suspect.
If Russia becomes a failed state they will be guaranteed some lasting usefulness for that alone.if Russia falls as hard as many suspect they will on this thread their usefulness as even a staging ground is debatable.
NATO generally doesn't throw much money at members due to how it works, even the poor ones, hence it's the less costly option out of the 2, while in the EU it would mandate a big chunk of the development spending and shit.how much Nato and the EU would be willing to subsidize them based on that experience is certainly debatable but considering how much of a skinflint Europe tends to be with their defense budgets if Russia isn't a threat anymore I doubt they will invest.
kgbstan said,that they do not exist,so they would genocide smartest and turn others into slaves.USA deep state is lesser evil for themShame Ukraine decided that it was a Good Idea to sell themselves to the Devil after Russia kicked them in the teeth.
Reminder how detached from reality some of the sources Vatnik's, and their friends, like to quote are.
Badly. They're freezing like the Wermacht of WW2 in the siege of Leningrad. Only the few thousand surviving SOF units and high ranked officers have winter gear and supplies. The rest are dying of dysentery, and freezing to death. With no NCOs to direct them in trenches and latrines. The Russians are shitting and pissing where they sleep. Their trenches look like sewage dumps from the air. It's looks even worse from the videos recorded by the soldiers.I wonder how did the mild winter - so far, and predicted to continue this way - impacts Russian plans.