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Bacle

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It's one duma deputy, just as relevant as that one US senator.
And unlike in the US, where we have free speech, or did till the Ministry of Truth was formed, there is no reason to believe this deputy is not echoing an official party line, particularly given Russia has already previously talked about carving a corridor to Kaliningrad.
 

ATP

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Russian Ambassador to Poland got painted red by protestors when attempting to make a speech at a wreath laying ceremony at the Soviet Soldiers Cemetery in the Polish Capital for May 9th Victory Day.


He was also called a fascist and murderer. Russian spokespeople responded that he was attacked by Neo-Nazis... And so forth.

I found new facts about that.He was attacked by Iryna Ziemliana,ukrainnian working with Bartosz Kramek - leftist,who was giving instruction how to topple current polish goverment/which mean idiot or german agent/
abd support rapefugees from Belaruss /which mean idiot or putin agent/

So,entire affair was most likely made by Moscov,which used their agent Kramek for that.Ziemliana could be either agent or useful idiot.

Especially,that moscov ambassador do not look unhappy after attack.

It show,that Moscov suck in fighting anybody with normal army,but still is master of provocation.And that is only way for them to win.

On another topic - leftists attacking people in USA in the name of murdering children are most likely useful idiots working for putin agents,too.
 

Bacle

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If I was him I would say "I will buy more French weapons of you support us".
Except the very fact Macron is trying to pressure Zelensky to give concessions to Putin, so Putin can 'save face', shows Macron does not give a damn about Ukraine's future.

If Putin is able to take land and keep it in an half-ass, badly coordinated, badly executed invasion, he will not take it as a sign to stop, but as a sign that Macron is willing throw all of Ukraine to Russia if Putin needs to 'save face'. Then Putin will invade again as soon as his reserves and stockpiles are rebuilt.

If France wants to be surrender monkey's, that's on them.

Edit: I mean if it was me in Zelensky's position, dealing with Macron pulling this shit, I'd bluntly say I'll find another intermediary who won't try to undercut me. Or just tell Macron that he can tell Putin that every Russian that crosses into Ukraine has forfeited their lives, and the only way to get them back it to withdraw without conditions.
 

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Macron doesn't understand Russian nature. If the Russians get territorial concessions after invading Ukraine they'll see it as a sign it's ok to try for more later ... again.

If France wants to be surrender monkey's, that's on them.
You forgot include cheese-eating in the description of the French. ;)
 

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Except the very fact Macron is trying to pressure Zelensky to give concessions to Putin, so Putin can 'save face', shows Macron does not give a damn about Ukraine's future.
Its worse than that.
France had great business deals with Russia, sometimes involving state owned industries (including the tip of the iceberg, Mistral class assault ships that had to be cancelled/sold due to 2014 spazout).
And then there was prospective germanization of French energy policy with reduction of nuclear power in their energy mix, of course pushed by greens.
The interests who pushed that stuff would really like to have things go back to normal so that they can return to making money, and that requires political reals "calming down" the Russia-Ukraine situation. The faster, the better, and Ukraine's territory and independence are a price they would be willing to pay for it, if only they could keep appearances and spin it as a decent deal.
Marcon and many other politicians in France represent those interests, where do you think their donations come from.
 

Bacle

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Uh, so possibly breaking developments on a ongoing coup against Putin, from multiple sources.

 

Cherico

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Uh, so possibly breaking developments on a ongoing coup against Putin, from multiple sources.

I will believe it when I see it.
 
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