Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[Agent23]

Zach, come on, don't try to play dumb; the IC plays politics all the time and the military brass are more politicians than soldiers/sailors.

If Trump really did have the election stolen from him, and the IC has proof, the fact Biden is in the White House shows that the IC is political and partisan in it's current form.

What is the IC, some part of the US command structure?

 

[Bacle]

What is the IC, some part of the US command structure?

Intel Community; the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, etc. are collectively called the Intel Community in many discussions.

 

[Agent23]

Intel Community; the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, etc. are collectively called the Intel Community in many discussions.

Oh, so the corrupt swamp garbage, got it.

 

[ATP]

Oh, so the corrupt swamp garbage, got it.

Probably true,at least part of CIA and FBI.Still - they do not rule state,like KGB mafias in Russia.And even if they do so,they do not start wars on their own.

 

[Agent23]

Probably true,at least part of CIA and FBI.Still - they do not rule state,like KGB mafias in Russia.And even if they do so,they do not start wars on their own.

LBJ was the whip of the US senate, Bush Sr. was the chief of the CIA, both were good buddies with the people that owned and operated Halliburton.

 

[ATP]

LBJ was the whip of the US senate, Bush Sr. was the chief of the CIA, both were good buddies with the people that owned and operated Halliburton.

Yers.Rich politicians using state and CIA for their own ends.Still better then KGB destroing Russia.

 

[bintananth]

Intel Community; the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, etc. are collectively called the Intel Community in many discussions.

Which @Zachowon didn't recognize the acronym for despite claiming to be part of it.

 

[WolfBear]

I don't think that Russia would be willing to accept anything less than having all of the Donbass be under separatist rule:

Zelensky: We'll accept status quo ante rather than fight in Donbas

Will the UN do anything about Russia's war crimes?

hotair.com

 

[sillygoose]

I don't think that Russia would be willing to accept anything less than having all of the Donbass be under separatist rule:

Zelensky: We'll accept status quo ante rather than fight in Donbas

Will the UN do anything about Russia's war crimes?

hotair.com

Yeah status quo ante is not on the table.

 

[Zachowon]

Which @Zachowon didn't recognize the acronym for despite claiming to be part of it.

When was the IC brought up that I didn't recognize it?

 

[bintananth]

When was the IC brought up that I didn't recognize it?

My bad. I misread who asked for the acronym clarification while multi-tasking.

Sorry.

 

[Zachowon]

My bad. I misread who asked for the acronym clarification while multi-tasking.

Sorry.

It's all good.

 

[WolfBear]

Yeah status quo ante is not on the table.

But limiting Ukraine's losses to the rest of the Donbass is very possible, no?

Also:

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-zelenskyy-says-post-war-ukraine-will-emulate-israel-won-t-be-liberal-european-1.10721395

Non-paywall version:

Zelenskyy says post-war Ukraine will emulate Israel, won’t be ‘libera…

archived 5 Apr 2022 18:41:42 UTC

archive.ph

 

[sillygoose]

But limiting Ukraine's losses to the rest of the Donbass is very possible, no?

If Ukraine starts seriously negotiating now potentially. The longer it goes on the more Putin has to demand to satiate his public.

 

[WolfBear]

If Ukraine starts seriously negotiating now potentially. The longer it goes on the more Putin has to demand to satiate his public.

Ukraine does seem to be seriously negotiating right now, no?

 

[sillygoose]

Ukraine does seem to be seriously negotiating right now, no?

They said they wanted status quo ante, which would be quite the opposite from negotiating seriously. Of course I don't think Zelensky can do that because of both internal and external pressure on him.

 

[WolfBear]

They said they wanted status quo ante, which would be quite the opposite from negotiating seriously. Of course I don't think Zelensky can do that because of both internal and external pressure on him.

How ironic that the West's main lesson for Russia in Kosovo was that if you use force against a smaller neighbor, you could successfully bully this smaller neighbor to agree to your own peace terms.

 

[sillygoose]

How ironic that the West's main lesson for Russia in Kosovo was that if you use force against a smaller neighbor, you could successfully bully this smaller neighbor to agree to your own peace terms.

Or Iraq. Or really any country the US has ever invaded.

 

[WolfBear]

Or Iraq. Or really any country the US has ever invaded.

Kosovo involved territorial losses for Serbia, though. Iraq didn't involve territorial losses for anyone.

 

[sillygoose]

Kosovo involved territorial losses for Serbia, though. Iraq didn't involve territorial losses for anyone.

It involved the US taking over the economy via corporations and installing a puppet regime. Territorial losses or not the US set all sorts of nasty precedents with moves like that. Of course during the Cold War that was relatively normal.