Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[ATP]

I’m sorry..... polish claims? That is freaking Konigsberg aka Prussia.

No,it is Królewiec.City which was polish vassal for 200 years or more,but never russians.And soviets keep it without any international law supporting their taking.

 

[gral]

The only reason that those islands were temporarily Japanese was the Russo-Japanese war of 1904.

No, not the southernmost Kuril Islands - ownership was settled in the 19th century(1855, Treaty of Shimoda). In 1875, the Treaty of St. Petersburg had Japan get the entirety of the Kuril Islands in exchange for Russia getting Sakhalin Island. Of course after the Russo-Japanese War, Japan got the southern half of Sakhalin. What Japan claims are the limits of the Treaty of Shimoda - the southern third of the Kurils: Kunashir, Iturup, Shikotan and the Habomai islands.

 

[Agent23]

No, not the southernmost Kuril Islands - ownership was settled in the 19th century(1855, Treaty of Shimoda). In 1875, the Treaty of St. Petersburg had Japan get the entirety of the Kuril Islands in exchange for Russia getting Sakhalin Island. Of course after the Russo-Japanese War, Japan got the southern half of Sakhalin. What Japan claims are the limits of the Treaty of Shimoda - the southern third of the Kurils: Kunashir, Iturup, Shikotan and the Habomai islands.

So Japan stabbed Russia in the back, took part of what it had agreed was Russian territory, Sakhalin, prior because Russia agreed to let them have the Kurils, then it has the temerity to complain after Russia takes the territory it ceded for Sakhalin.
yeah, in this case Japan is being a sore loser.

 

[Sobek]

Seems like the west used Ukraine for money and fucked them in the process. What a shit position.

 

[Bacle]

The Kuril Islands have been traditionally inhabited by the Ainu people, who are close to the Japanese and generally associated with Japan.

Its at least as legit as Russia's claim to Ukraine.

Exactly.

Having said this, there's no way Russia could conventionally defeat the Japanese military based on what we are seeing in Ukraine... but I doubt Japan wants a war, it needs its men (and women) to make babies, not fight wars.

Luckily the Kuril's are close enough that Japan could use stand-off munitions to wreck any military bits on said islands, and sustain that bombardment, long enough to reduce casualities on landing by a significant amount.

Plus, I was serious about an expeditionary force of weebs; it'd be like Japan's own Foreign Legion ala France. That way they actually risk fewer of their own shrinking pop.

@Bacle Any supposed "play for the Baltics" by Russia is just propaganda.

I like that you have enough optimism to think that.

After what has happened in the lead up to the Ukraine invasion, and the rhetoric around it on both sides...I cannot operate on the assumption it is just 'propaganda'.

Japan establishing a Japanese Foreign Legion of weebs to go Neo-Imperialist on Russia and East Asia isn't the weirdest thing that's ever happened historically, but it would have us really going full circle as a species.

No need to go neo-Imperialist on Asia, Japan has good enough ties with most of Asia now that it doesn't need to conquer them.

Taking the Kuril's back is the limit of what might be feasible. Japan trying to take all of Asia again is not what I was talking about; that was Immortal Watchdog making an exaggeration.

 

[gral]

So Japan stabbed Russia in the back, took part of what it had agreed was Russian territory, Sakhalin, prior because Russia agreed to let them have the Kurils, then it has the temerity to complain after Russia takes the territory it ceded for Sakhalin.
yeah, in this case Japan is being a sore loser.

No. The southern part of the Kurils wasn't on dispute after 1855, and wasn't part of the 1875 Treaty(which was the territory which Russia, as you put it, 'ceded'). That's why Japan claims the 1855 borders, not the 1875 ones.

 

[Cherico]

If Russia thinks they can take all of Ukraine and are willing to use their milatary to get it then by the same logic Japan is free to take all of the Kurels.

 

[WolfBear]

No,it is Królewiec.City which was polish vassal for 200 years or more,but never russians.And soviets keep it without any international law supporting their taking.

Upvoted for boldness!

 

[WolfBear]

If Russia thinks they can take all of Ukraine and are willing to use their milatary to get it then by the same logic Japan is free to take all of the Kurels.

And China can take Outer Manchuria if it is willing to withstand a nuclear attack by Russia.

 

[Cherico]

And China can take Outer Manchuria if it is willing to withstand a nuclear attack by Russia.

you play by the old rules you have to deal with the old price.

 

[Agent23]

AJ has a live migration tracker:
Russia-Ukraine war by the numbers: Live Tracker

The latest and still growing count had 2,276,103 people entering Poland, 586,942 in Romania, 381,395 in Moldova, 349,107 in Hungary, 272,012 Slovakia, 271,254 in Russia and 6,341 in Belarus.

At this rate Poland's population might grow as much as 10% by June, with most of the migrants allegedly being of limited economic utility and with food and energy prices soaring.
Geez, I certainly don't want to be in any Pole's shoes right about now, especially if my theory of a possible EU heel face turn/kick em while they are down strategy comes to fruition as I predict.

EDIT: nice little interview with Patrick Lancaster


Hungary's FM on sanctions and energy realism, diversification of energy providers will take at least 5 years and cost us, it is a matter of mathematics and physics, not of politics and posturing.


Add the Visegrad group to the list of Ukronazi casualties!
Thanks for breaking it, Poland!

 

[ATP]

AJ has a live migration tracker:
Russia-Ukraine war by the numbers: Live Tracker

At this rate Poland's population might grow as much as 10% by June, with most of the migrants allegedly being of limited economic utility and with food and energy prices soaring.
Geez, I certainly don't want to be in any Pole's shoes right about now, especially if my theory of a possible EU heel face turn/kick em while they are down strategy comes to fruition as I predict.

EDIT: nice little interview with Patrick Lancaster


Hungary's FM on sanctions and energy realism, diversification of energy providers will take at least 5 years and cost us, it is a matter of mathematics and physics, not of politics and posturing.


Add the Visegrad group to the list of Ukronazi casualties!
Thanks for breaking it, Poland!

Not EU,but germany,who are kgbstan allies in this war,if you do not see it by yourself till now.
And yes,it is problem for Poland,but good in long term.
Our medical system practically never worked/you need always pay ar have friends to get good doctor/,but now it is chance to stop pretend,that it exist.
Schools - they would be even worst then now.
So,medical and education check could be introduced.

Economy sanctions? we could come back to coal and leave UE,they need us more then we need them.
You see danger,which exist,but i see chance for better future.

Back to war - kgbstan win in Czeczenya genociding 20% of population and keeping 100.000 soldiers there for 10 years.
Even if they win war with Ukraine,they still need 4.000.000 sodiers to occupy it for next 10 years.
China could do so,kgbstan - mission impossible.

You see - no matter what happen,Poland still have chance.kgbstan - not anymore.Only question is,how much their madness would cost others.

 

[Terthna]

you play by the old rules you have to deal with the old price.

Well, if you go by what Peter Zeihan has been saying, those old rules are how the world actually works; the new ones are just a temporary thing forced on everyone by the United States, and won't last for much longer.

 

[Agent23]

Well, if you go by what Peter Zeihan has been saying, those old rules are how the world actually works; the new ones are just a temporary thing forced on everyone by the United States, and won't last for much longer.

No idea who that guy is, but Mearsheimer, Kissinger and Kennan both thought that what worker since time immemorial, aka balance of power realpolitik will still work and the USA's little ideology driven hegemony is the exception, not the norm, and that it is divorced from reality.

Also, all the end of history idiots and neocucks like Fukuyama and the Kagans are getting high on their own farts.

 

[Cherico]

No idea who that guy is, but Mearsheimer, Kissinger and Kennan both thought that what worker since time immemorial, aka balance of power realpolitik will still work and the USA's little ideology driven hegemony is the exception, not the norm, and that it is divorced from reality.

Also, all the end of history idiots and neocucks like Fukuyama and the Kagans are getting high on their own farts.

Fukuyama wrote his book at the end of the cold war during a time of international jubilation. I give him a pass based on that.

 

[ATP]

No idea who that guy is, but Mearsheimer, Kissinger and Kennan both thought that what worker since time immemorial, aka balance of power realpolitik will still work and the USA's little ideology driven hegemony is the exception, not the norm, and that it is divorced from reality.

Also, all the end of history idiots and neocucks like Fukuyama and the Kagans are getting high on their own farts.

Of course.That is why Biden before war told that small agression mean small sanction - Putin could take rest of Donbas,Marjunpol,and rest of the world except Poland would not care.

But,kgbstan declared war to take entire Ukraine and kill nazis there.That is ideology,not realpolitics in action.KGB would not keep more then Biden want to gave them,and they would lost half of their army for that.
China is arleady planning for taking russian lands after kgbstan fall as a state.That is realpolitics,too.

Of course,my conspiracy theory could be true,and Putin have secret pact with Biden handlers to made war long,which let democrats win election,and Putin kill russian army.

 

[WolfBear]

AJ has a live migration tracker:
Russia-Ukraine war by the numbers: Live Tracker

At this rate Poland's population might grow as much as 10% by June, with most of the migrants allegedly being of limited economic utility and with food and energy prices soaring.
Geez, I certainly don't want to be in any Pole's shoes right about now, especially if my theory of a possible EU heel face turn/kick em while they are down strategy comes to fruition as I predict.

EDIT: nice little interview with Patrick Lancaster


Hungary's FM on sanctions and energy realism, diversification of energy providers will take at least 5 years and cost us, it is a matter of mathematics and physics, not of politics and posturing.


Add the Visegrad group to the list of Ukronazi casualties!
Thanks for breaking it, Poland!

Ukrainian refugees' main value is their human capital. If they're old, then this can't help much, but if they're young, then they should eventually become productive workers.

 

[WolfBear]

Of course.That is why Biden before war told that small agression mean small sanction - Putin could take rest of Donbas,Marjunpol,and rest of the world except Poland would not care.

Yep, and to be fair, that did sound reasonable--a larger Russian incursion into Ukraine = more Western sanctions on Russia.

 

[Agent23]

Ukrainian refugees' main value is their human capital. If they're old, then this can't help much, but if they're young, then they should eventually become productive workers.

When, in 5 - 15 years?
Meanwhile, they are just mouths to feed that probably won't understand Polish.

Also, more proof Biden is senile:

 

[WolfBear]

When, in 5 - 15 years?
Meanwhile, they are just mouths to feed that probably won't understand Polish.

Also, more proof Biden is senile:

They could learn Polish. And they could use English in the meantime.