Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion
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And this shit is just plain poorly disguised "tactical fiscal conservative", the next worst thing after "tactical libertarians".
100 billion to fuck up a long term rival state? FINAL PLUNDERING!!!.
555 billion on climate bullshit? Whatever.
Multi trillion covid bullshit? Just a passing annoyance.
If you want to stand for the obvious stupidity of strict isolationism, have the honor to do that.
If you want to shill for Putin being your country's ally, somehow, also have the honor to do that openly.
Actually the Danubian Bulgarian state, I will be calling it that to distinguish it from Volga and Crimea Bulgarias, was formed by 3-4 groups, not 2.
There were some leftovers of the Thracians that the Slavs assimilated in whole or in part, so we consider them the 3rd group, recently it was found out that a number of Goths also joined Danubian Bulgaria.
The Slavs had flooded the south of the Danube around the start of the 6th century IIRC, and the Greek colonizers were "drowned in the slavic sea", saying that, but some of them were hellenized.
Some of the proto Bulgars moved to the North-East to settle on the Vloga, and became the first Turcic tribe to become Muslim, a fact the Grand Mufti of Bulgaria is very eager to remind us of.
Some, left in the old lands on and around Crimea mixed with other Turcic tribes and the Khazars and eventually some of them even merged with the Cossacks.
Some Bulgars even went to Italy and settled there but were murdered by king Dagobert.
So, yeah, feel free to call us Tatars, as we ride out horses over you and cut your heads off to make wine goblets and otherwise honor Trngri.
Tatars are not turks.You are.
And moscovites which becomed russians and now are soviets are were more ugrofins and tatars then slavic,but so what? they still were named as slavic nation.Becouse it was group which made their state.
We poles get tons of germans after mongol invasion - but,becouse state was slavic,were treated as slavic,too.
Your state was made by turks,so even if other groups joined,you are still turks.
Blasterbot
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what if purely hypothetically some one was against all of that? what if they complain about all of that but this is the thing people clip of his? what if he is against funding gender studies in Pakistan even if it is just a few million? what if he doesn't like the multi trillion covid bills? what if every time someone brings up climate bullshit he just says he is gonna idle his car in a parking lot for 2 hours because fuck you in particular? why the hell are you assuming he is inconsistent without looking at him at all or providing evidence he is?
Because if we imagine a perfect, ultra dedicated spherical fiscal conservative in a vacuum who only cares about the money, who would be perfectly equally against all of this regardless of the merits and downsides of all of these, you would expect his attention and outrage to be given proportionally to the sum spent, in which case there would be extremely little attention left to give to the Ukraine related spending after all the other crap, especially the crap measured in trillions.
If one also corrects for the rationality of the spending, then unless one is a Russia shill, various leftist ideological programs are naturally a bigger waste even proportionally to their sticker price (worse than waste, a negative value program on account of the damage they cause, rather than zero value one) than spending some money to keep an old rival down by proxy, which has certain merit behind it even outside of the clown world worthy thought processes.
But answer yourself - how many of the people who yell the loudest about Ukraine aid being a waste of money fit either of these patterns?
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
Benny Johnson? I remember him. He used to write articles for Buzzfeed, until he got fired for plagiarizing articles. Apparently TPUSA and Charlie Kirk didn’t mind lowering its standards even further so now he’s working for them and parrots their trash.
This whole Ukraine situation is a great litmus test of who on the RIght are only on the Right to be 'contrarian' and do not have any real positions besides 'Left Bad'.
DarthOne
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Nice attacking the person and not the argument.
No, the arguement is retarded too; Johnson's a moron with a mornic take.
DarthOne
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And you say that because….?
Agent23
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Yeah, yeah, use 2-3 letters where I can do fine with just one, also, your Polish Catholic Western chauvinism is showing and that is one of the silliest theories about Cyrillic I have ever heard of, it is weirder and more far-fetched than some of ATP's conspiracy theories.
Now, tell me, how many schools for the serfs did your beloved Magnates build and how much time were they willing to let their peasants get educated?
Probably zero, since that would give the peasants tools and ideas that might set them on a path to kicking out the fat, inbred aristocratic parasites.
Fun fact, Serfdom is something that came to us after Christianity, prior to that the place was dominated by the Free Slavic Peasant municipality and the rod aka extended family/clan/tribe in the Slavic portion of the country, and a traditional turcic organization among the Bulgars.
As to alphabets, well, that is probably the easiest part of a language to learn, as long as it is not one of those that use pictograms, although I have no idea how the hell you managed to turn 'ch' into 'cz', we just have 'ч' for that, lol.
Our decision to take in the disciples of St.Cyril and Methodius stemmed from our need to curtail both Byzantine/Greek and Latin influences, the two were already working on a slavic alphabet as part of their mission to Velikomoravia, but were yeeted out by the Papists.That initial version, glagolic, was devised by them because the Byzantines wanted to gain influence and expand Orthodoxy among the Slavs to counter the Pope and gain more allies and because places like Velikomoravia could not be hellenized easily.
So, yeah, the Chad Nationalist/Panslavic Cyrillic vs. the Virgin Knockoff Latin.
Holy cow, I didn't know that Evil Putler's evil KGBstan controlled the churches of Ukraine, Ethiopia, Greece, etc, etc.
Countries With The Most Orthodox Christians
| Rank | Countries With The Largest Orthodox Christian Populations | Orthodox Christians |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Russia | 101 million |
| 2 | Ethiopia | 36 million |
| 3 | Ukraine | 35 million |
| 4 | Romania | 19 million |
| 5 | Greece | 10 million |
| 6 | Serbia | 6.7 million |
| 7 | Bulgaria | 6.2 million |
| 8 | Belarus | 5.9 million |
| 9 | Egypt | 3.9 million |
| 10 | Georgia | 3.8 million |
Nah, just sad and slightly amused on account of your actions, but I do not care about your chauvinistic attitude.
Yeah, because my ancestors did not save Europe from the Arabs, oh, wait...Khan Tervel, the saint and savior of Europe
What were you Poles doing back then?
We are only and primarily interested in our own history, about a millennia and a half of it, as well as the more important aspects of European history.You and your Baltic buddies don't qualify.
But honestly, the Livonians, the Teutonic order and the rest of them are all the expression of the same old Drang nach Osten.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_on_the_Ice
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Muscovite_War_(1609–1618)
You were saying?
Slavic-Viking on Slavic-Viking violence.
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Tiamat
I've seen the future...
Respectfully, I simply pointed out he wrote for Buzzfeed and got fired for plagiarism, which last I checked is one of the worst sins a supposed journalist or writer can make.
And no. I don’t ageee with his argument at all. I want the border secured. I despise Biden. I also despise trump and want to see Ukraine prevail because it serves are interests, since Putin clearly is not and never was our friend, and isn’t going to stop with Ukraine if he has his way, he’s proven that already. If he has his way China might get similar ideas too.
That good enough for you?
If you want to argue that saving a fraction of a percent of the budget by not taking the best opportunity to undermine the second strongest rival power's interests at the moment since at least decades, if ever, is one of the best opportunities to alleviate the debt problems, do that, at the risk of looking quite ridiculous.
If you want to argue Russia is not a hostile or rival power to USA despite all the recent history and statements of its leaders pointing otherwise, also do that.
If you want to just simply argue isolationism, do so openly rather than having everyone guess and make a separate thread for it, you have my blessing regardless of how critical of such arguments i will be.
But good job just shitposting memes instead of making an argument.
Blasterbot
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except you are taking complaining about one as not complaining about the other things. if someone argues against all of that whenever it is brought up than he will be arguing against whatever topic wastes money that is being discussed at that point rather than trying to torpedo social security or medicare which are programs that even the staunchest of conservative politicians will never touch.
Buba
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Oh, that's to confuse the enemy, maskirovka, you understand.
In Polish "ch" = "h". Although on its own "h"="h" too.
Take that, spies!
Besides "cz" for 'ч' we also have "ć" ...
In the Kingdom of Poland established in 1815, around 1820 the Magnates in the Government closed down 3/4ths of elementary schools catering to commoner children ...
Because I've seen his other comments on Zelensky's visit, and the dude is just a REE'ing contrarian right grifter like so many on the Far Right are, that has no real political points beside 'Left Bad, anything the Left supports Bad', and wants to knitpick Zelensky wearing the same kind of clothes as his troops, instead of a suit.
As I said, this whole situation is a great way to separate those on the Right with critical thinking skills and geo-political understanding from those who are just contrarian Right folks who would say the sky being blue is 'fake news' if a Democrat says it, and those who want to pretend we can go back to the 19th/18th century or earlier because they hate 'modernaity' and the 'GAE'.
Like, if I could go back to my 2016 self, I'd say openly supporting Trump and 'conservatism' is fucking waste of time, money, and energy.
Had the Dems actually run Bernie in 2016, and not the She-Devil, Trump would never have been POTUS.
Agent23
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Well at least now I understand why marduk might think that learning a different alphabet is hard...
I am tempted to try and learn Polish now, lessee, so far I have found that the words for flood, whore, fat/obese, Thursday, fire and sword are fairly similar phonetically, probably because of the same slavic roots.
Looks like it has less weird grammar cases than Russian and the sentence ordering is not as heavily messed up.
Why do you have vines growing around some of your letters?
Buba
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I protest against the inclusion of Ethiopia and Egypt - these Christians are not "Orthodox" but "Eastern". These heretics consider Christ's nature to be "mono" and not "uni" (or the other way around, I never remember ... ), a FUNDAMENTAL difference!
Actually Polish has more cases - seven. But the vocative is as good as dead, disappearing inside living memory ...
Please give example - I'm too dim - or tired - to understand what you have in mind.
Blasterbot
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as a catholic enlighten me as to the difference.
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