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Crossover Muggles in Harry Potter

Lanmandragon

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It apparently prevents a location from showing up on any kind of map. It literally can't be mapped.

Which means pretty much all modern guided weapons are useless.

Of course, that is only one of the many defenses that need to be overcome.

I mean muggle aversion charms are a thing. A muggle literally can't go to Hogwarts. Attempt to do so and they will see only a ruin that they become utterly convinced isn't safe, or isn't interesting, or that their kid is locked in the car and they have to save them, or whatever.

Short of a magic counter for those kinds of passive defenses, muggle infantry is entirely worthless against Hogwarts as they will always convince themselves that they need to be somewhere else. And given that muggles all see it as a ruin already, and that the charm apparently works with their own minds to provide an excuse that they find acceptable, you may well have the muggle attackers convinced that they already attacked and destroyed it.

But ultimately, all of this already assumes that you are negating virtually all of the wizards advantages. To reach the point where a dude with a gun is fighting a dude with a wand at ten paces is to essentially word of god fiat your way past 90%+ of the wizards capabilities.

And wizards deciding that they need to be serious? Well then the muggles are thoroughly fucked even in direct combat.

Step 1: Make an invisibility unitard.
Step 2: Charm it with Cushioning, Unbreakable, and Silencing charms.
Step 3: Cast the Bubblehead and Supersensory Charms.
Step 4: Put on hearing protection.
Step 5: Walk through virtually any muggle facility in the world carrying an adult mandrake. Watch everyone who hears it instantly fall over dead.

But really, step five can be pretty much anything because your wizard is pretty much utterly immune to any muggle response.

Unbreakable does exactly what the name implies, it makes something unbreakable. Cast it on a shirt and suddenly that shirt is bulletproof. Pair with a cushioning charm to negate the kinetic energy component and you get to walk around immune to bullets and shrapnel and blades.

The Bubblehead charm provides immunity to inhalation vector gas weapons, and modifying it for full body protection from chemical weapons is probably not that difficult.

Supersensory Charm means that the wizard isn't ever surprised or ambushed.

Invisibility cloak (in the form of the unitard) makes them impossible to see while the silencing charms make them completely silent. Thermal imaging and IR might still work (assuming that magic can't solve those issues relatively easily).

Now who is wearing that suit? Someone who can teleport, unlock any door, turn structural supports into lions, burn down cities, etc.

And now the real kicker, you don't actually need that many of that wizard. A time turner means that they can attack one place, jump back in time and attack another, jump back in time and attack a third, etc.

But lets say that you do manage to attack Hogwarts or the Ministry or Diagon Alley, etc. How are you finding Malfoy Manor? Shell Cottage? The Burrow? Number 12?

A hundred thousand wizards showed up at the Quidditch World Cup. All attacking Hogwarts is going to get you is to enrage the wizards as the muggles just attacked their children and tried to carry out the Witch Hunts again.

Each and every one of those adult wizards is a potential person of mass destruction. Apparate into a city, cast Fiendfyre (if Goyle can do it, it can't be that hard), apparate away and watch the city burn with unquenchable hellfire.

Grindelwald was going to burn Paris down with a spell that wouldn't affect those who were loyal to him. Do you doubt that such a spell couldn't be modified into one that wouldn't affect those who were magical?

Then there are the beasts. Dementors show up at a military base and suddenly everyone present is seeing their worst memories and shivering, all the while flight capable demons that they can't even see (and are immune to most anything they could try) are going around and eating their souls. Let a Nundu loose in London and suddenly they are left with nuking the place or being the epicenter of every plague. Then there is the bird whose cry drives anyone who hears it mad; just put a few under the Imperius curse and have them fly around squawking - you now have a few hundred thousand insane people to deal with.

Now while all this is going on, remember that the muggles no longer have electricity. Why? Because wizards walked around turning power transformers into lemon-pops.

There are no more bridges? Why? Because wizards teleported around and casually transfigured their support beams into metal/stone/concrete lions that are now rampaging through muggle cities killing everyone they come across.

You aren't ever going to get army vs. army combat.
Sure but that's obvious and not any fun to talk about.
 

Hlaalu Agent

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Sure but that's obvious and not any fun to talk about.

Not really, because it is just applying ultra competence to the wizards that they never demonstrated or even knowledge of normal society that they don't really demonstrate either. Just because someone arguing on a forum says that they will do something, does not mean they will do something. It is sort of like the Federation being argued to use all of their bullshit by the Trekkies, or the megaton wank of the Warsies.
 

Lanmandragon

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Not really, because it is just applying ultra competence to the wizards that they never demonstrated or even knowledge of normal society that they don't really demonstrate either. Just because someone arguing on a forum says that they will do something, does not mean they will do something. It is sort of like the Federation being argued to use all of their bullshit by the Trekkies, or the megaton wank of the Warsies.
The thing is though his plan is far more complicated then the wizard would need. Pop into the White House imperious Trump. Rinse and reapeat on the G20 leaders victory. Take a day or so at best and we already know for a fact. That they have access to at least BOJO and it's very likley. A similar situation in the other nations.
 

Hlaalu Agent

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The thing is though his plan is far more complicated then the wizard would need. Pop into the White House imperious Trump. Rinse and reapeat on the G20 leaders victory. Take a day or so at best and we already know for a fact. That they have access to at least BOJO and it's very likley. A similar situation in the other nations.

That would require it to occur to someone...which it very well might. I do find that one more believable, since it doesn't require people to act with perfect knowledge or competence. Though, again it still has to occur to someone, and then be decided upon as a plan of action. Which probably makes it most likely a dark lord would do it, due to not being bound by anyone or anything.
 

Lanmandragon

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That would require it to occur to someone...which it very well might. I do find that one more believable, since it doesn't require people to act with perfect knowledge or competence. Though, again it still has to occur to someone, and then be decided upon as a plan of action. Which probably makes it most likely a dark lord would do it, due to not being bound by anyone or anything.
Specific dark Lord's not Tom dudes to crazy. Maybe grindlewald or whatever.
 

Hlaalu Agent

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Specific dark Lord's not Tom dudes to crazy. Maybe grindlewald or whatever.

Yes, Grindlewand and the like, especially if not encumbered by PIS. Which is a problem with Potter wizards, they act like morons, or many of them do due to poor writing or a lack of understanding of implications by Rowling.

Anyways the Wizards by and large not demonstrating such creativity is why I take issue with what Tippy has to say about this. To me it is the same bullshit, as I said, from other fandoms. It would be like me having the Tamriellic Empire unleash all of its potential bullshit, even though in lore they haven't shown that capacity, just essentially their own version of creative portal use. Essentially they can march armies underwater, have magical paratroopers that get flinged at the enemy, mages that can transfer attributes from an enemy army to friendly soldiers, etc in lore, and all of these are extensions of what you can do in gameplay. They also flew on ziggarut mounted moths to the moon and to heaven, but let us not get into that. So, even if they can do all of that, they still can't or will not do much of the magical bullshit that is possible as per lore and confirmed by gameplay. They won't do that alchemy loop trick, even though fortify intelligence potions exist and the concept of abusing fortification exists in lore. And further the higher tier beings tend not to intervene, except for the Daedra, so all of that CHIM bullshit tends to be out the window.

So what I am saying is that just because something is theoretically possible and deskchair thinkers can postulate it, does not mean it would happen. *And I forgot to finish off by saying this, just because the Federation could use time travel bullshit to destroy their enemies does not mean they will, or just because they can invert the tachyon beam to create a higg-boson cascade, does not mean they will always pull that out of their ass.
 

Hlaalu Agent

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We also have to understand that when we go through the wizarding world in the time of Harry's tenure at Hogwarts, the wizarding world is still reeling from Voldy's mass-murdering spree... which was only decades from Grinderwald's war. That is also something that people forget.

That is something we should all take into account, yes. So I would take it that we should try to apply it on both ends?
 

Aaron Fox

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That is something we should all take into account, yes. So I would take it that we should try to apply it on both ends?
It isn't exact but if I have to give people an idea of what the equivalent is, then what happened to the Wizarding World is WW2 was followed up by a Vietnam War that kicked off WW3. At least, that is the implication.
 

Aaron Fox

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That sort of population-level is likely why the Ministry of Magic either goes quickly to either cover up or make snap arrests. They don't want more dark dunderheads going on murder sprees causing even more problems for everyone else (decreasing tax revenue, fewer people to man the various positions required to keep society functioning, etc.).
 

Shipmaster Sane

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Wow, just wow... people are forgetting that Harry Potter-verse has (basically) no rules and runs on a pure 'magic must defeat magic' mentality when it comes to its magic system. That is why muggles being involved with Potter-verse tends to be either a) Potter-verse is hit with the nerf bat so hard that it is unrecognizable (aka 'Harry Potter in Name Only') or b) paired with a setting that is more crazy and unrestricted in comparison (like, say, Marvel or DC comic universes).

The only good crossover that doesn't demean muggles completely while keeping Harry Potter itself is a Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha crossover/fusion of all things, and it is mostly because muggles developed calculators (and is something that the muggle-borns bemoan losing the ability to use with arithmancy being so calc heavy) and MGLN's 'devices' are essentially magical calculators that feed the solutions into their user's brain directly, and this is something that the magical world wants to replicate the moment they discover there existence.

Although having what amounts to two walking WMDs (Nanoha and Fate) in Hogwarts is... something particular.
Spiders and other animals that would be vaporized on contact with a military from 100 years ago played a major role in the largest scale set piece battle in the entire series.
 

Aaron Fox

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Spiders and other animals that would be vaporized on contact with a military from 100 years ago played a major role in the largest scale set piece battle in the entire series.
Because they're magical. Those spiders (whose patriarch/leader is Hagrid's old pet) tend to be small dogs at least in size? Magical. Centaurs? Magical. Not a normal/muggle animal among them.
 

Aaron Fox

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It seems like Wizards are more of a threat to themselves than anything else.
Given that the really good dark dunderheads can turn their names into locator beacons (implied to be the reason that Voldy's lackies kept showing up in the 7th book, Harry and friends always say Voldy's moniker) among other things, they are at times.

It also doesn't help that going any further than a metaphorical body height level in the Dark Arts has the implication of having your mental faculties sour. Out of Voldy's inner circle that we're regularly shown, only Snape and Malfoy aren't mentally sour... at least that is my recollection.
 

Aaron Fox

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Are you suggesting that one of those spiders would be, what, immune to gunfire?
Given that insect/arachnid exoskeletons are -for their size- some of the strongest biological things in nature (spider silk is also incredibly strong, but since we're so large we break them easily)?

Most probably. You'll probably have to start going into HMG (so 12.7mm or bigger) with AP rounds to get the little ones, anything larger than that would require autocannons minimum.
 

Shipmaster Sane

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Given that insect/arachnid exoskeletons are -for their size- some of the strongest biological things in nature (spider silk is also incredibly strong, but since we're so large we break them easily)?

Most probably. You'll probably have to start going into HMG (so 12.7mm or bigger) with AP rounds to get the little ones, anything larger than that would require autocannons minimum.
I guarantee you that you just pulled that out of your ass without the slightest understanding of the forces involved.

Go on, tell me by what metric you came to the conclusion that you'd need a BMG round to penetrate the spider, I fucking dare you.
 

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