Crossover Muggles in Harry Potter

[Spartan303]

So we see in JK Rowlings works that Muggles are idiots and easily duped. This annoys me to no end. And I would have loved to see muggles able to compete or not fit into stereotypes or muggle societies that are quick to pick up on the Masquerade.

So my question is two fold.

1.) Which characters, across the Scifi and Fantasy multiverse settings could compete with Wizards in a straight up duel with a better than even chance of winning? This person can have esoteric skills and abilities of their own so long as it does not constitute magic. (The Force, Psionics, Psykers, Biotics, PtV, ect) or they may just simply that good or smart that they could adapt to Wizarding style Combat and still work out a win (Courage, Will, Skill, Technology...ludicrous amounts of firepower, ect.). So who can compete in a straight up duel while still technically being a 'Muggle'?

2.) Assuming an ISOT situation (Island Sea Of Time) where the magical community across the globe is transported from their home universe Earth into another. This is a universe in which the Non Magical world is a bit quicker on the up take than canon potter verse. Which societies fit into this category? And how would the two coexist?

Discuss.

 

[Husky_Khan]

With how a lot of it is presented, the Wizarding world has loads of esoteric abilities and abilities and artifacts but a lot of the time, at least in so far with the movies there seems to be a lot of spell slinging. Obviously the evil dudes tend to use killing curses liberally while other spells commonly used are the disarming ones, the shield one 'protego', the mind focused ones like silencio, confundo and stupefy, and then spells like incendio and aguamenti and reducto/expulso/confringo for flames, water and explosions of three different varieties. And whatever their hold person spell is.. petrificus or something.

Haven't actually seen any of the new movies yet... or read any of the books... ever. But that never stopped me from RP'ing HP wizards before.

Plus random ones like emitting flocks of birds and levitation and turning your wand into flashlight. So your mook Auror or Death Eater or Hogwarts student is definitely a super flexible combatant. Easily comparable to a Biotic or Force User or the like. Assuming that things like lightsabers or physical/energy shields can block these magical attacks/curses then it'd be even more competitive. If not... the fact the Potterverse Wizards (unlike say DnD or Dresdenverse magic users) don't deplete spells or get tired, could be an advantage for the Wizards even if they are using just 'direct offensive/defensive' spells and nothing out of left field.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

So we see in JK Rowlings works that Muggles are idiots and easily duped. This annoys me to no end. And I would have loved to see muggles able to compete or not fit into stereotypes or muggle societies that are quick to pick up on the Masquerade.

They fundamentally can't.

Or to be more precise, anything that can compete with HP wizards who aren't artificially nerfed to an absurd degree isn't a muggle. Why do you think that so many of the muggle wank/wizards suck fics do stuff like make transfiguration temporary, add severe limitations on spell casting, and absolutely nerf virtually every spell?

So my question is two fold.

1.) Which characters, across the Scifi and Fantasy multiverse settings could compete with Wizards in a straight up duel with a better than even chance of winning? This person can have esoteric skills and abilities of their own so long as it does not constitute magic. (The Force, Psionics, Psykers, Biotics, PtV, ect) or they may just simply that good or smart that they could adapt to Wizarding style Combat and still work out a win (Courage, Will, Skill, Technology...ludicrous amounts of firepower, ect.). So who can compete in a straight up duel while still technically being a 'Muggle'?

None of them. Wizard apparates a hundred miles away at the speed of thought, downs Liquid Luck, and alters probability so that if winning is possible then it will occur for them.

2.) Assuming an ISOT situation (Island Sea Of Time) where the magical community across the globe is transported from their home universe Earth into another. This is a universe in which the Non Magical world is a bit quicker on the up take than canon potter verse. Which societies fit into this category? And how would the two coexist?

Discuss.

Wizards mind rape their new home into forgetting about them. There is no real way for a non magical society to put up any kind of even moderately successful fight against wizards who can read (and control) minds, teleport past any physical security, turn into (and command) animals, shapeshift, burn cities to ash with ease, etc.

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Interrogation and subversion? Whack someone with the Imperius and order them to tell you whatever you want to know, for the tiny handful that might (theoretically) be able to resist, throw on a confundus or two, Veritiserum, legilimency, sleep deprivation, and/or any of the myriad means of torture to lower their resistance. Then they become the perfect sleeper agents, suicide bombers, and patsies.

Travel? Apparition, portkey, expanded spaces, personal flight.

Concealment? Unplottable keeps a location from showing up on all maps, that means no GPS, no satellite surveillance, no guided weapons of any kind. Muggle Aversion, Fidelius, Notice-Me-Nots, Disillusionment, Polyjuice, transfiguration, expanded spaces, invisibility cloaks.

Offensive power? Fiendfyre and Protego Diabolis are both city burners. Anti-matter conjuration should be trivial for any wizard who spends a few minutes with an appropriate physics text. Transfiguration to create fuel air bombs. Transfiguration to turn virtually anything into virtually anything else. What happens when a buildings support walls suddenly become talcum powder? Or bludgers are enchanted to target muggles?

Defensively? Time turners, enchanted gear, various shield charms, etc.

Drop a post NEWT wizard naked (save for their wand) on most fictional Earths and they could turn themselves into the planets ruler in short order; or at least the power behind the throne.

HP wizards are reality warpers with very few limitations.

 

[Deleted member]

Are we talking about other supernatural worlds, or purely scientific ones?

 

[Spartan303]

Are we talking about other supernatural worlds, or purely scientific ones?

The person can come from a super natural setting or Scifi one.

 

[Deleted member]

The person can come from a super natural setting or Scifi one.

I think, then, that a Living Pretender like Sonja Blue from Sunglasses after Dark could take down a Wizard, and Wizards would have some considerable trouble finding themselves on an Earth filled with Pretenders.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

...does Saitama count?

 

[Spartan303]

...does Saitama count?

Who?

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

Who?

you HAVEN'T seen/read One Punch Man? Go do that.

 

[Spartan303]

you HAVEN'T seen/read One Punch Man? Go do that.

I guess he would technically count as a Muggle. So, yes.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Who?

Relevant



Okay not really.

I haven't watched it either but I'm aware of its existence and this thing called anime. Apparently its big in Japan.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

I guess he would technically count as a Muggle. So, yes.

how about Ciaphas Cain?

 

[Spartan303]

how about Ciaphas Cain?

So long as the character isn't himself a practitioner of magic. Esoteric abilities like XCOM Psi or Mass Effect Biotics are acceptable and count as Muggles. The Force is questionable and many consider it tied to magic and thus for this debate we will consider them non-Muggles. People who have been enhanced or changed by Magic but aren't necessarily practitioners of Magic also count as Muggles. Enhanced Muggles but Muggles none the less.

So abilities that can be explained by technology or metaphysical count. Two perfect examples of this would be Buffy Summers and King T'Challa. Buffy is enhanced by magical means, the spirit of the Slayer. But she's not a practitioner of magic, thus making her an enhanced Muggle for this scenario. King T'Challa was enhanced with the heart shaped herb (which may or may not be magical). But he too is a Muggle.

 

[Doomsought]

The punisher, Batman, Snake (either one)... basically anyone who can pull off an ambush. A wizard that gets shot is just as dead as anyone else, they just have an easier time preventing themselves from getting shot if they have warning.

 

[Deleted member]

Any Babylon 5 P-12 like Bester could still take a wizard dead by rights if line of sight.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

...wait... sooooo do Gon and Killua from HxH count?

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

None of them. Wizard apparates a hundred miles away at the speed of thought, downs Liquid Luck, and alters probability so that if winning is possible then it will occur for them.

>HP wizard
>Making practical use of liquid luck

Pull the other one.

 

[Deleted member]

I think, then, that a Living Pretender like Sonja Blue from Sunglasses after Dark could take down a Wizard, and Wizards would have some considerable trouble finding themselves on an Earth filled with Pretenders.

Just to add to this, the Hidden or Real World is a non-euclidean plain of werewolves, vampiric corpses, demons, succubi, etc, which infests the Earth of Sunglasses after Dark. We are talking about the Mad Geometry of a supra-real plain of existence. The critical question would be if wizards can manipulate it... If they can't, and are limited to second-order effects only, they would have trouble.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

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@Spartan303 so your definition of "muggle" is literally anyone who doesn't actively use magic and call it magic?

Yes, under that definition you can probably come up with a great many settings with "muggles" who can at least credibly challenge wizards. But that definition is farcical.

I mean under that definition, Naruto verse ninja would qualify as muggles. As would D&D 3.5 Psions. Or Malcador from 40K.

 

[Spartan303]

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@Spartan303 so your definition of "muggle" is literally anyone who doesn't actively use magic and call it magic?

Yes, under that definition you can probably come up with a great many settings with "muggles" who can at least credibly challenge wizards. But that definition is farcical.

I mean under that definition, Naruto verse ninja would qualify as muggles. As would D&D 3.5 Psions. Or Malcador from 40K.

If they're enhanced by magic but not active practitioners of Magic then yes they'd count as Muggles. Enhanced Muggles to be sure, but still Muggles. What do you think they would call such people?