United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread

[Bacle]

But everything changes! That's the only constant!

So how can you assume anything other than the inevitability of modernity ending?

Of course, this is where you are entangled in your own contradiction. For your assumption to hold, modernity must be the magical exception to your universal rule. Because if it isn't, then your approach cannot be coherent.

Let's face it. You just don't want certain things to be true. That's well-evidenced by the fact that you've gone off on irate allcaps rants in various discussions on the matter. And because you have to keep shouting this, you'll twist yourself every which way to keep telling yourself that modernity will always be there, and the republic will never falter but also everything changes and nothing is forever except when you need it to be because stories are more true than reality except when they tell you things you don't like to hear and also conservatives are wrong and you treat them with contempt but you do know what's best for them, and, and, and--!

You're bullshitting, mate. And that's the end of this particular discussion. Bye now.

You claim I'm contradicting myself, because you keep thinking I actually buy the same bullshit you do about what 'moderniaty' even is.

See, I know you're idea of 'moderniaty' ending is effectively the same as the idiots who think we can turn back the clock to the 1950's/'retvrn to tradition' shit. Which isn't going to happen, and is pure right-wing cope that fools keep clinging too.

And it's not that I do not think the republic cannot falter, it's that I think it's either on life support or dead already due to the stolen election.

But if you just want to run away from this because I'm not playing the game you want to play, go ahead. There is a reason there are more Independent voters that either Dem or GOP, and your sort of attitudes are a large part of why.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

You claim I'm contradicting myself, because you keep thinking I actually buy the same bullshit you do about what 'moderniaty' even is.

See, I know you're idea of 'moderniaty' ending is effectively the same as the idiots who think we can turn back the clock to the 1950's/'retvrn to tradition' shit. Which isn't going to happen, and is pure right-wing cope that fools keep clinging too.

And it's not that I do not think the republic cannot falter, it's that I think it's either on life support or dead already due to the stolen election.

But if you just want to run away from this because I'm not playing the game you want to play, go ahead. There is a reason there are more Independent voters that either Dem or GOP, and your sort of attitudes are a large part of why.

Damn you're black pilled.

 

[Rocinante]

He's done a pretty impressive job "capturing the moment". If he keeps that up, his chances are good.

He'll still inherit a ruined economy and a governmental apparatus filled to the rafters with mortal enemies. It's hard to swim against the current -- especially when they're actively trying to drown you.

Desantis has honey badger energy. That helps against those kinds of attacks. He doesn't give a shit.

I loved in his interview with Shapiro, Ben asked why he is willing to do things that other conservatives are scared of doing...and he said it's because he doesn't care what people who aren't going to vote for him anyways think about him.

As long as he keeps up in the direction he's going, a hostile media won't even matter that much, because we can see what's he's doing, and it's more than anyone else is doing.

I REALLY hope we get Desantis 2024 instead of Trump. Trump has that same mentality, but more baggage and isn't as professional and put together. He puts his feet in his mouth too often and doesn't know when to step back and let the other side make mistakes.

 

[Bacle]

Damn you're black pilled.

Nah, I'm just utterly over a lot of the right-wing cope that I see around here; if the Right wants to have chance of regaining ground, the cope has go. It's as useless as the cope-cages the Russian's stuck on their tanks, but far more damaging to the Right's ability to fight back effectively.

I still have some hope DeSantis can get into office; though if there is even an America as we know it in 2024 is a big question mark.

Also, failing that, I still have hope Musk can help the sane people escape to Mars eventually.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Nah, I'm just utterly over a lot of the right-wing cope that I see around here; if the Right wants to have chance of regaining ground, the cope has go. It's as useless as the cope-cages the Russian's stuck on their tanks, but far more damaging to the Right's ability to fight back effectively.

You mean "not giving up and letting morale go down the toilet"?

Had men such as you sat in the Senate of Rome, Carthage would have won the Punic Wars.

 

[Bacle]

You mean "not giving up and letting morale go down the toilet"?

Had men such as you sat in the Senate of Rome, Carthage would have won the Punic Wars.

I'm not giving up, but I'm not interested in humoring the cope a lot of tradcons here tell themselves.

Deal with the ugly, harsh realities of the present, make realistic assessments of what fights can be won and how, and realize no amount of 'morale' can substitute for effective strategy and follow-through.

 

[posh-goofiness]

Nah, I'm just utterly over a lot of the right-wing cope that I see around here; if the Right wants to have chance of regaining ground, they just have to shift their position to the Left.

Fixed that for you. Also, fuck that.

 

[Bacle]

Fixed that for you. Also, fuck that.

When compared to what the tradcons want, yes, it would seem that way.

Because the simple fact is there are more moderates, populists, Libertarians, and Independents than there are hardcore tradcons or social conservatives.

You do not win elections via subtraction, and pandering to the shrinking part (tradcons) of the Right and general population, as opposed to the growing part (populists and moderates) is a self-defeating strategy.

 

[Terthna]

When compared to what the tradcons want, yes, it would seem that way.

Because the simple fact is there are more moderates, populists, Libertarians, and Independents than there are hardcore tradcons or social conservatives.

You do not win elections via subtraction, and pandering to the shrinking part (tradcons) of the Right and general population, as opposed to the growing part (populists and moderates) is a self-defeating strategy.

It's not like there's been much of a push to adopt that strategy though; or any strategy, for that matter. For the most part, the Republicans seems content to just sit on their hands and do absolutely nothing.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Republicans just need a strong leader to rally around, For better or worse Trump filled that role.

 

[Bacle]

It's not like there's been much of a push to adopt that strategy though; or any strategy, for that matter. For the most part, the Republicans seems content to just sit on their hands and do absolutely nothing.

That's fair.

After all, the GOP establishment are feckless or in cahoots with the Dem leadership, the tradcons cannot admit they are no longer in the driver seat of the Right, the corpo neo-cons only care about enriching themselves or their donors, and the few sane populists/libertarian-minded folks like Rand Paul are a minority that has to fight tooth and nail to stop the stupidity of the leadership.

Republicans just need a strong leader to rally around, For better or worse Trump filled that role.

A strong leader doesn't matter much without the ground game and cultural institutions to back it up.

After all, the Left marched through the institutions while the Right just wanted to grill, and the Right still doesn't seem to have learned from that.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

For the most part, the Republicans seems content to just sit on their hands and do absolutely nothing.

Define who you consider to be Republicans in this please.

 

[Terthna]

Define who you consider to be Republicans in this please.

Mostly the politicians who talk a big game, but back down every time the Democrats even hints at pushing. Your Mitch McConnells and Ted Cruzes, in other words. The guys with power, who refuse to use it on behalf of the American people.

 

[Zyobot]

Mostly the politicians who talk a big game, but back down every time the Democrats even hints at pushing. Your Mitch McConnells and Ted Cruzes, in other words. The guys with power, who refuse to use it on behalf of the American people.

So, people who are members of the Republican Party, but don’t bother fighting for its actual principles?

 

[posh-goofiness]

So, people who are members of the Republican Party, but don’t bother fighting for its actual principles?

Mostly the politicians who talk a big game, but back down every time the Democrats even hints at pushing. Your Mitch McConnells and Ted Cruzes, in other words. The guys with power, who refuse to use it on behalf of the American people.

In other words the very definition of people on the Right who have attempted to make their positions palatable to the Left? Once again, fuck that.

When compared to what the tradcons want, yes, it would seem that way.

Because the simple fact is there are more moderates, populists, Libertarians, and Independents than there are hardcore tradcons or social conservatives.

You do not win elections via subtraction, and pandering to the shrinking part (tradcons) of the Right and general population, as opposed to the growing part (populists and moderates) is a self-defeating strategy.

Now, I may be misremembering this, but I thought the Right base was growing in comparison to the Left. Not because of policy positions, but because the Right have more children.

 

[Bacle]

Now, I may be misremembering this, but I thought the Right base was growing in comparison to the Left. Not because of policy positions, but because the Right have more children.

That is true to a degree, or was before the pandemic (which is going to cause a lot of demographic issues down the line if the vax's actually do cause infertility, but that's an issue for down the road).

However, just having more babies doesn't mean much if the Left has the power to effectively indoc them the second they get to a public school setting, and the Left can import more of their own types from elsewhere.

Latino's going Red is going to hurt the Dems, same if more of the African-American block switches over. However, the levers of power are firmly in the Dems grasp, outside SCOTUS (and thanks to the leak, the court will never be the same; the trust within and without is gone).

The issue with the tradcons thinking they are still in the drivers seat, and their desire to compare everything to Rome, is that they can drive away moderates and Independents, who outnumber the hardcore base of either side.

So assuming we ever get trustworthy elections again, it's in the Right's best interest to base it's platform and election strategies around focusing on swing voters in the middle, rather than pandering to the hardcore tradcon base.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Mostly the politicians who talk a big game, but back down every time the Democrats even hints at pushing. Your Mitch McConnells and Ted Cruzes, in other words. The guys with power, who refuse to use it on behalf of the American people.

Gotcha. I can agree with that as well. I think one of the great things about what's happening right now is the number of people who are just pissed at the level of disdain they are seeing from elected officials, administerial idiots and others. It's waking a lot of people up to just how decrepit our system is currently.

 

[What's the sitch?]

We can't afford to lose Florida as a Bastion of freedom and base to fall back to and example for people to look, De Santis, just about, single handedly stood his ground where everyone else caved at least some at best. Some people don't understand just how close we came to losing everything and becoming like Australia tier lockdowns/oppresion and things are still tenuous. If he becomes president he will just have all the same enemies or more and be unable to not nearly do as much as we hope anyway while leaving Florida at risk to someone else that might just be some wishy washy flip flop RINO. This is gonna be a long haul battle if we are to win this(I still doubt it).

 

[strunkenwhite]

Fixed that for you. Also, fuck that.

Only if any and all change is leftist. And if you're rejecting any and all change, you've already lost. "Standing athwart history yelling Stop" is such a memorable quote to me because it's so obviously futile.

That is true to a degree, or was before the pandemic (which is going to cause a lot of demographic issues down the line if the vax's actually do cause infertility, but that's an issue for down the road).

No need for this particular caveat. Vaccination is at least somewhat polarized with the left having more of it than the right in aggregate.

We can't afford to lose Florida as a Bastion of freedom and base to fall back to, De Santis, just about, single handedly stood his ground where everyone else caved at least some at best.

Thing is, he could afford to take that stand with the electorate he had. Florida's been moving significantly (albeit slowly) to the right over the last couple decades and I see no reason to believe that this will reverse itself in less than a decade. If you want to worry about a big red state, I'd worry more about Texas.

 

[What's the sitch?]

That's literally what I was referring to about Texas, they cucked way too much during this whole debacle for supposedly being " TEXAS". It was mostly Florida, if it wasn't for Florida every other state would caved to the mandates and wokery, but they were able to hold out by just pointing to Florida.