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I never said it made him a fascist. I said denying people the vote based on political preference was something I'm only aware of communist and fascist governments doing. And, no he's not stating his opposition to letting the opposition get there way. He was literally asked, do you think it's only a problem because they'd vote democrat, and he said yes.
And thats why I accused you of gaslighting. Because your a prick that likes to use innuendo and implications because you think the 'subtle jabs' are funny.

And the Nazis were National Communists and even a brown dude whose countries got a Communist Party with a Minister named Stalin in the originals honor knows it.
 
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And thats why I accused you of gaslighting. Because your a prick that likes to use innuendo and implications because you think the 'subtle jabs' are funny.

And the Nazis were National Communists and even a brown dude whose countries got a Communist Party with a Minister named Stalin in the originals honor knows it.
No, I said what I meant and meant what I said; What he said is awful. The only other groups that I know in favour of such an awful practice are the go to examples of awful political parties. Nothing subtle about it.

You're wrong about Nazis being communist, and that argument is dumb. It's also entirely irrelevant here, so I shan't engage with it further.
 

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There's nothing definitive, no. Online research on the major parties is spectacularly unhelpful as every source I can find describes their positions on statehood and nothing else, and when I visited it was years ago and I didn't talk about politics with the locals, so I can't judge thier party affiliation based on that.

As for Hispanics voting democrats, and specifically Puerto Ricans.....I wouldn't say it's inevitable, but it's extremely, extremely likely. Puerto Ricans that move to the US are largely democrats (though that could just be the ones that move), and culturally PR is a lot more Central American than North American.

Also, the fact that both major parties believe they would is a valid reason to think that's the case, they have the resources to do more research and find out for sure, and have both concluded PR will be a democrat stronghold. The only people that don't think are the media people writing "hey, PR might not be a seep blue state", and that's probably just the media trying to trick republicans into going along with it. If PR wasn't a sure thing, there's no way the dems would be pushing it this hard.
I see plenty of cases of people's politics, that may make sense in one context, forcing them into taking positions in other contexts that are counterproductive. So if Democrats, for example, have a hard-on for maximizing representation of minorities, which on average benefits them politically, and Puerto Rico is chock full of Hispanics which count as a minority, there you go. The generously distributed true believers in minority representation will be all aboard, and even the most cynical operators will have a hard time pushing against the usual direction of flow without exposing their flanks to accusations of hypocrisy. And why would they bother trying when there is little evidence that it will disadvantage them? If PR would merely turn into an unusually eccentric swing state, for example, and they can get mileage out of attacking Republicans on the issue, why not?

Also, I would guess that most mainlanders' exposure to Puerto Ricans is through people who left the island—there's been fairly massive emigration from there. I don't think it's safe to say that the politics of the emigrants are the same as the politics of those who chose to stay.

For myself, I would need convincing evidence that granting long-overdue and long-delayed representation to DC and Puerto Rico would be disastrous to sway me from the default that of course my fellow citizens of the United States of America deserve representation when their territory is of a size commensurate with other states (population-wise). And I do not see it.
 
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Threadbanned until morning! Good God! we have had more reports filled in the past hour than in the past few weeks!
No, I said what I meant and meant what I said; What he said is awful. The only other groups that I know in favour of such an awful practice are the go to examples of awful political parties. Nothing subtle about it.

You're wrong about Nazis being communist, and that argument is dumb. It's also entirely irrelevant here, so I shan't engage with it further.
And your an asshole. I say it because thats what I mean and I mean what I say. So stop paraphrasing Doctor Seus thinking it sounds deep.
 

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And your an asshole. I say it because thats what I mean and I mean what I say. So stop paraphrasing Doctor Seus thinking it sounds deep.
Huh, never knew that was a Seuss quote. On the other hand, it's not meant to sound deep, it's a simple statement of fact that whatever hidden meaning or clever innuendo you attribute to my posts is purely a figment of your imagination. They really are just as simple as what they say.
 

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Huh, never knew that was a Seuss quote. On the other hand, it's not meant to sound deep, it's a simple statement of fact that whatever hidden meaning or clever innuendo you attribute to my posts is purely a figment of your imagination. They really are just as simple as what they say.
Its not clever innuendo, its not even innuendo. Its not a quote becaue you are paraphrasing popular or well known sentence strings in your attempts to stretch out insults to three of more lines in a half-assed effort to skirt the no personal attacks rule. Thats what 'hidden meaning' I am seeing in every other post you ever make. And I am getting sick of it.

Your view points are not that antithetical to mine. Your policy actions or political stances are of no personal interest to me. The only think I can't stand is you taking every chance to make your posts be either a direct or 'veiled' bit of gaslighting against someone or a group as a whole. So it all goes back to my first and consistent personal attack against you and that practice of yours in this farce of a derail. You are a Prick.

Mods I'll take myself off for a day or two as a penalty for this. So if you want to make that official or do something else feel free. I won't contest it.
 

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Threadban: No need to report what I have already seen, you should know better! Stop being an ass!
Its not clever innuendo, its not even innuendo. Its not a quote becaue you are paraphrasing popular or well known sentence strings in your attempts to stretch out insults to three of more lines in a half-assed effort to skirt the no personal attacks rule. Thats what 'hidden meaning' I am seeing in every other post you ever make. And I am getting sick of it.

Your view points are not that antithetical to mine. Your policy actions or political stances are of no personal interest to me. The only think I can't stand is you taking every chance to make your posts be either a direct or 'veiled' bit of gaslighting against someone or a group as a whole. So it all goes back to my first and consistent personal attack against you and that practice of yours in this farce of a derail. You are a Prick.

Mods I'll take myself off for a day or two as a penalty for this. So if you want to make that official or do something else feel free. I won't contest it.
Well, fortunately it turns out after a little bit of introspection on my end that I don't give a shit about your feelings. :) So, if you think I'm breaking rules then grow up and report it, otherwise just grow up in general you precious snowflake.
 
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Okay everyone! Both @Megadeath and @Abhishekm have been removed from this thread until the staff have dealt with this mess in the morning and their behavior get better.

Until then however this thread is under a zero tolerance on harassment, name calling, and any other form of insult being thrown around just like in the George Floyd Thread and it will remain in such a state until @LordSunhawk deems otherwise.

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Why do you even need a Capital anyway. Just Telecommute! What a waste of historical monuments having Politicians in it cluttering up the place.
The official excuse would probably be something along the lines of 'but if we lived in our homes and met via zoom, hackers could potentially infiltrate and spy upon our political communications and our homes aren't as protected as the capitol.' The reality being 'we like the luxury.'
 

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The official excuse would probably be something along the lines of 'but if we lived in our homes and met via zoom, hackers could potentially infiltrate and spy upon our political communications and our homes aren't as protected as the capitol.' The reality being 'we like the luxury.'
Protection was important when capitals have bigger walls to defend them.After that communication was still issue.
But,just like you said,now it is not problem,and country without capital would be no worst,but actually better.
Just gave one office/Let say - Forreign affairs/ in one city,and they would work just fine.
 

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If we disagree it's because you're intentionally twisting the interpretation of their actions.

See how unhelpful that is? The automatic assumption of bad faith makes discussion pointless.


I blame extremists and idiots on either side. The kind who suggest the best or only solution is violence, for example. It's also incredibly hard for me to grasp how you can say on one hand you think a coup is best for America, and then in the very next paragraph describe peoples fear of a coup as irrational.
The Left have always, or at least they have for the last decade or so, feared a coup from their political or ideological rivals to the point where it has become a paranoia of theirs and are acting on their delusions accordingly.

A shade of this is how people acted on SB on their learning of the "evil Alt-Right Nazi PM!" The hysteria was just eye-boggling, and they were literally accusing people in the PM of attempting or planning a coup for the site... which was all in their heads.

What you're not seeing is that the average person on the Left now are minorities in their own political alignments: the extremists have become the majority/the normality, even to their self-detriment (you have White people supporting BLM, who are, by their own admission, Marxists and believe that anyone White should be punished for being White, for crying out loud!).

My belief that a coup may be necessary now has developed because of how they're acting: it's not a cause but an effect, a self-fulfilling prophecy. They're trying to destroy the scales.

But, if a coup does occur, what may come after may just be as bad from elements on the Right/Conservatives. I'm actually Center-Right (pro tip: according to a lot of people on Left, having middle-ground views most of the time is just a buzzword/phrase for being "Alt-right", that's how far they've gone), and some of the things I see Conservatives/Right-aligned people say make me shake my head. Thing is, the middle ground I stand on is becoming increasingly pushed on by both sides -- if I disagree with one side on certain issues, I'm just as bad as the other.

But I honestly believe that the Democrat party, and the politicians running it and its die-hard supporters, have become rabid and self-destructive to America. Heck, I'd even call them the (banned) Communist or Socialist Party of America, at this point.

Edit: oh, I didn't see the thread-ban notice. My bad.
 
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The Left have always, or at least they have for the last decade or so, feared a coup from their political or ideological rivals to the point where it has become a paranoia of theirs and are acting on their delusions accordingly.

A shade of this is how people acted on SB on their learning of the "evil Alt-Right Nazi PM!" The hysteria was just eye-boggling, and they were literally accusing people in the PM of attempting or planning a coup for the site... which was all in their heads.

What you're not seeing is that the average person on the Left now are minorities in their own political alignments: the extremists have become the majority/the normality, even to their self-detriment (you have White people supporting BLM, who are, by their own admission, Marxists and believe that anyone White should be punished for being White, for crying out loud!).

My belief that a coup may be necessary now has developed because of how they're acting: it's not a cause but an effect, a self-fulfilling prophecy. They're trying to destroy the scales.

But, if a coup does occur, what may come after may just be as bad from elements on the Right/Conservatives. I'm actually Center-Right (pro tip: according to a lot of people on Left, having middle-ground views most of the time is just a buzzword/phrase for being "Alt-right", that's how far they've gone), and some of the things I see Conservatives/Right-aligned people say make me shake my head. Thing is, the middle ground I stand on is becoming increasingly pushed on by both sides -- if I disagree with one side on certain issues, I'm just as bad as the other.

But I honestly believe that the Democrat party, and the politicians running it and its die-hard supporters, have become rabid and self-destructive to America. Heck, I'd even call them the (banned) Communist or Socialist Party of America, at this point.
Hmm, there's a bit in that which I think I can relate to or somewhat agree with. On the other hand, there's more that I disagree with. I think both parties have more extremists than they used to, and fewer sensible heads. I do not think that the radical elements represent or control either party though. I think that more damage is done by the fact that the two main parties are so internally united, and represent the only political options. Say, you want to have a gun to defend yourself, but you believe abortion should be legal. You either have to remain silent, or support a group that disagrees with a fairly major part of your political ideology. If you do join up, as far as everyone else is concerned, you are the next identical party clone. There's a whole long list of expectations and assumptions that will be shoe horned onto you, regardless of what you do or say. If you decide that you're not willing to support that group anymore, well be prepared to flip litterally every single opinion and belief 180, or go back to having no voice. And if some new issue ever becomes a hot button? Well, one party will take a stance on it, and then the other party has to take the exact opposite to avoid looking "weak" or whatever. All of this made worse by tribalistic idiots, who end up aligned with whichever party for reasons of location or family mostly, but will in some cases litterally fight and die, because "My team, right or wrong."
 

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This is pretty much an accurate summation. Hell, I'm seeing parallels between AntiFa and BLM with pre-Nazi Germany's Brownshirts, except with social-media replacing leaflets and clandestine organizational meetings, and their using the excuse of "racism" to act like cats' paws.
They are not quite there yet, organisation-wise and violence-wise, but then the internet makes the sort of less hierarchical movements far more viable than they would have been 90 years ago. Though that you have Antifa marching through streets with assault rifles adds another level of concern, as it'll be only a matter of time until these guns will be used to lethal effect on their opponents. Once that genie is out of the bottle...
 

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Hmm, there's a bit in that which I think I can relate to or somewhat agree with. On the other hand, there's more that I disagree with. I think both parties have more extremists than they used to, and fewer sensible heads. I do not think that the radical elements represent or control either party though.
This I'll have to disagree with: while the Republicans aren't saints and there are a lot of shitty politicians and people in that political alignment (as in "women should be nothing but baby-factories and chained to the stoves" type of nutcases), the Democrats are mostly made up of extremists now. Those who had common-sense or became uneased at how batshit insane their fellows were becoming, ironically, went Republican, become politically neutral in terms of supporting an organized Party or ideology, or even voted Trump, not the Republicans, because he was a populist centrist. Ain't that ironic?

The people left? Most, though not all, are extremists. They're the type of people that literally want America's education system to teach their kids that they're guilty of something for being White, straight, or male.

I think that more damage is done by the fact that the two main parties are so internally united, and represent the only political options. Say, you want to have a gun to defend yourself, but you believe abortion should be legal. You either have to remain silent, or support a group that disagrees with a fairly major part of your political ideology. If you do join up, as far as everyone else is concerned, you are the next identical party clone. There's a whole long list of expectations and assumptions that will be shoe horned onto you, regardless of what you do or say. If you decide that you're not willing to support that group anymore, well be prepared to flip litterally every single opinion and belief 180, or go back to having no voice. And if some new issue ever becomes a hot button? Well, one party will take a stance on it, and then the other party has to take the exact opposite to avoid looking "weak" or whatever.
This I can agree with. If you agree or disagree on certain policies, you're automatically seen as being a political rival or enemy by your own "side". Amusingly enough, the most vitriol of such reactions and disunity comes from the Democrats: "Feminism", feminism, and TERFs come to mind, as examples.

Heck, New York's mayor, who pretty much ordered the deaths of thousands of old people during the Lockdown, is now being turned on by his own Party because it's advantageous of them to do so.

The Left "eating their own" is a meme for a reason -- I think we'll be seeing more of this pattern of behaviour as El Presidente's term carries on, and BLM/AntiFa outlive their usefulness.

All of this made worse by tribalistic idiots, who end up aligned with whichever party for reasons of location or family mostly, but will in some cases literally fight and die, because "My team, right or wrong."
Thing is, it's the Democrats that have escalated this behaviour by "pissing in the pool", so-to-speak. If they hadn't gone full on batshit insane, we'd be seeing far less of this in general -- it's likely American politics would have plodded along as they always did under the "same old, same old" status quot. Heck, Trump probably wouldn't have had a turn in Office.
They are not quite there yet, organisation-wise and violence-wise, but then the internet makes the sort of less hierarchical movements far more viable than they would have been 90 years ago. Though that you have Antifa marching through streets with assault rifles adds another level of concern, as it'll be only a matter of time until these guns will be used to lethal effect on their opponents. Once that genie is out of the bottle...
We're seeing the monkeys dancing to the tune of an unseen organ grinder. I definitely believe there's more coordinated organization behind all these "movements" than just regular people using the internet to organize things, but whether they're part of or make up some sort of conspiracy theory that get people wearing tin foil hats excited is something I have no idea on.

While BLM are racially motivated (with a pair of Communist founders, amusingly enough), a lot of AntiFa's grunts are just dumb kids and adults LARPing (remember "Commander Red"? Haha) that don't realize that their dumbassery is going to have real-life complications/consequences -- even though the people meant to be dealing out the consequences, such as people belonging to the legal/judiciary system, are doing their best to interfere on their behalf because they're useful Cats Paws.

Given what we've seen though, I definitely believe some of those organizational elements are Democrat-aligned or Democrat-funded, though.
 

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It's one thing to state that the Democratic solution of making DC into a state is a poor solution to the problem. But it really seems like a good chunk of you seem to think that there is no problem with the state of affairs, because the DC residents will vote the wrong way.
That's true.

The problem with DC becoming a state is not the residents voting patterns.
It's that it would be a specific and unique empowerment of a federal enclave specifically carved-out to limit the authority of the federal government and its interests over states.
The only real counter to such being that the proportion by which that authority has been limited has declined from a 1/14 to 1/50th in the time since (and the size of the enclave carved away at previously). Which isn't exactly a strong argument.
 

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So... You think I'm for communism, unequal application of the law, racial supremacism of a different ethic group, etc.? Or, perhaps I'm just gullible and brainwashed? In which case, open my eyes.
If the events of the past few years, and in particular the past year, have failed to open your eyes, then there's nothing I can do to do so. There have been obvious cases where it's literally the law, or in state constitutions, and Democrats have bypassed or otherwise ignored it, or like in Michigan, members of the state supreme court voted that it somehow didn't violate the state constitution for the governor to just declare herself to have emergency powers, in spite of the fact it is written in there that the legislature needed to grant any such powers. If I can see this kind of shit, anyone who isn't a brainwashed partisan should also be able to. Like I said, they aren't even trying to hide it anymore.

I'll also take your silence on the last part as an implicit apology, and I accept it. I know not everyone you share some political belief with perfectly represents your views, and so far I don't think you're stupid enough to call for shooting every registered democrat.
The more examples there are of Democrats acting against the law and facing no consequences for it, the more I am likely to move in that direction, especially as I see them force through legislation or support executive orders aimed at destroying civil rights and other liberties. Right now, I'm at the point where I'll just never vote Democrat again, and have some small hope that this might get sorted without resorting to violence.

You know, let's just start with the concept of first principles.

There are hundreds of thousands of people living in DC (and contrast to what some of you have been trying to argue, most of them are ordinary people like you or me and not some "Washington fat cat" stereotype) who do not have a voice in the House and the Senate. Is this a problem?
Do they not? Also, just being "ordinary people" is meaningless. Members of antifa and BLM are "ordinary people," too.

It's one thing to state that the Democratic solution of making DC into a state is a poor solution to the problem. But it really seems like a good chunk of you seem to think that there is no problem with the state of affairs, because the DC residents will vote the wrong way.
The danger to the Republic outways any bullshit "problem" with supposed lack of representation, particularly since this could easy be solved by simply moving to an adjacent area outside of DC. This is only a "problem" because permanent residence started being allowed within DC when that was never the intent when it was formed. As others have said, it is very telling that other solutions to this "problem" have not been considered and have been refused to be considered, and that DC statehood (a literal city-state) is being pushed ahead of Puerto Rico statehood. This is nothing more than an obvious power-grab, and yes, I am completely unsympathetic toward anyone in DC. You can no more talk me into supporting this on principle than those morons who tried to shame libertarians into supporting BLM, because I'm smart enough not to support people who act against liberty, and who will turn around and quite happily do harm to me as thanks for helping them. Fuck DC, and fuck your idiotic appeal to principle.
 

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I see plenty of cases of people's politics, that may make sense in one context, forcing them into taking positions in other contexts that are counterproductive. So if Democrats, for example, have a hard-on for maximizing representation of minorities, which on average benefits them politically, and Puerto Rico is chock full of Hispanics which count as a minority, there you go. The generously distributed true believers in minority representation will be all aboard, and even the most cynical operators will have a hard time pushing against the usual direction of flow without exposing their flanks to accusations of hypocrisy. And why would they bother trying when there is little evidence that it will disadvantage them? If PR would merely turn into an unusually eccentric swing state, for example, and they can get mileage out of attacking Republicans on the issue, why not?

Also, I would guess that most mainlanders' exposure to Puerto Ricans is through people who left the island—there's been fairly massive emigration from there. I don't think it's safe to say that the politics of the emigrants are the same as the politics of those who chose to stay.

For myself, I would need convincing evidence that granting long-overdue and long-delayed representation to DC and Puerto Rico would be disastrous to sway me from the default that of course my fellow citizens of the United States of America deserve representation when their territory is of a size commensurate with other states (population-wise). And I do not see it.
Given what happened in 2020, it honestly wouldn't matter how PR and DC actually do vote, because it's taken as enough of a given that election fraud would have the same built-in excuse as in the counties it took place in this last election.
 
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They wouldn't want to bring back feudalism, because under that they'd actually owe their slaves reciprocal duties and have actual obligations. Nah, they want some form of slavocracy/oligarchy. Or a rapine plutocracy/kleptocracy... or this is just another step on the path to anarcho-tyranny. I think you have something on divine right, but as I have just said, they do not want feudalism.
OK let me put it this as it seems like the discussion of codes of conduct are becoming increasingly arbitrary and pointless. They want slavery and they will use climate change as thier godhead.
 
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