Russia's troops were given the most dangerous thing you can give a military.
A deadline.
So they are pushing, and pushing, and pushing in an attempt to meet that deadline even though doing so isn't anywhere near sustainable for them.
Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022
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A deadline.
So they are pushing, and pushing, and pushing in an attempt to meet that deadline even though doing so isn't anywhere near sustainable for them.
strunkenwhite
Well-known member
I think the part I got the most value out of was when you talked about the failure of Russian artillery to perform counterbattery on Ukrainian artillery, as evidenced by Ukrainian artillery consistently acting in ways that would be insane if such counterbattery consistently existed (and those Ukrainian artillerymen would probably be dead at this stage of the conflict if they were that insane). This is especially significant when Ukrainian counterbattery fire has been widely noted as highly effective.
I found this highly significant because it shows that even an area of supposed Russian strength is proving to be a pathetic mess. (As opposed to their areas of weakness being even weaker than expected, or Ukrainian areas of strength being stronger than expected, or Ukrainian areas of weakness being more resilient than expected, which as far as I know are all also broadly true.)
Russian Liberation Authorities Erect a Statue of Vladimir Lenin in Kherson.
Somehow another Russian Helicopter Gunship was Struck by ATGM Fire Reportedly.
Russia Reportedly Finding More Random Volunteers to Shovel into the Ukraine, like this Aged Cossacks apparently. Unknown if this bus will be used as a battlefield taxi to the frontlines.
Ukrainian Military Reports They've Attacked Snake Island in the Black Sea.
Russian Social Media Website VK.com is reportedly deleting posts about War Dead? Hopefully it's to prevent disinformation.
Over twenty explosions and fires have been reported in Russia reportedly. Some are likely accidents, while others are all but confirmed to be due to Ukrainian activity. Some are just unknown.
www.rferl.org
Somehow another Russian Helicopter Gunship was Struck by ATGM Fire Reportedly.
Russia Reportedly Finding More Random Volunteers to Shovel into the Ukraine, like this Aged Cossacks apparently. Unknown if this bus will be used as a battlefield taxi to the frontlines.
Ukrainian Military Reports They've Attacked Snake Island in the Black Sea.
Russian Social Media Website VK.com is reportedly deleting posts about War Dead? Hopefully it's to prevent disinformation.
Over twenty explosions and fires have been reported in Russia reportedly. Some are likely accidents, while others are all but confirmed to be due to Ukrainian activity. Some are just unknown.
Radio Free Europe said:
Blasts, Bombs, And Drones: Amid Carnage In Ukraine, A Shadow War On The Russian Side Of The Border
Ukrainian officials have not taken responsibility for a series of explosions and attacks on Russian territory. Similarly, Russian officials have not made a big deal over the fact that Russian territory appears to be routinely targeted by a foreign military.
www.rferl.org
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Russian Liberation Authorities Erect a Statue of Vladimir Lenin in Kherson.
Somehow another Russian Helicopter Gunship was Struck by ATGM Fire Reportedly.
Russia Reportedly Finding More Random Volunteers to Shovel into the Ukraine, like this Aged Cossacks apparently. Unknown if this bus will be used as a battlefield taxi to the frontlines.
Ukrainian Military Reports They've Retaken Snake Island in the Black Sea.
Russian Social Media Website VK.com is reportedly deleting posts about War Dead? Hopefully it's to prevent disinformation.
Over twenty explosions and fires have been reported in Russia reportedly. Some are likely accidents, while others are all but confirmed to be due to Ukrainian activity. Some are just unknown.
Blasts, Bombs, And Drones: Amid Carnage In Ukraine, A Shadow War On The Russian Side Of The Border
Ukrainian officials have not taken responsibility for a series of explosions and attacks on Russian territory. Similarly, Russian officials have not made a big deal over the fact that Russian territory appears to be routinely targeted by a foreign military.
Russians have a nasty habit of declaring victory when their enemies are still killing them on the field.
strunkenwhite
Well-known member
"Infiltration of their airspace—by missiles." Something about putting it that way just tickles me.
One of the objectives of the Ukrainian strike on a Russian headquarters near Izyum yesterday was apparently the Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, General Valery Gerasimov who has held that post since 2012. Ukrainian media sources are reporting that he was wounded in the strike, though this has not been confirmed.
Chances are the Ukrainians were helped by the fact that the Russians made no secret that General Gerasimov was going to be in the area earlier.
Russian forces allegedly intentionally fired upon a family consisting of a Mother and her thirteen and three year old sons as they attempted to flee a town near Kyiv along with a group of other people. After being allowed to pass through a Russian checkpoint, Russian forces allegedly opened fire on them, killing seven people including the thirteen year old Yelysei.
Everyones favorite Russian News Commentary show brings on a 'Russian Military Expert' who Explains How they have Filtration Camps set up already in the Donbass that can 'Process' a hundred thousand prisoners at a time.
Also... if you want to know how long it would take a Nuclear Missile Launched from Kaliningrad to Berlin, Paris or Moscow, Russian Media has the answer for that as well!
No information if they did a reverse study however.
Russian Propaganda Videos (and pictures allegedly sent to the soldiers Mother) show a Azov Battalion prisoner apparently being executed by Russian forces after his capture.
Brokering a deal with both Russian and Ukrainian Authorities (including UN Officials being compelled into a photo op with Russian FM Sergei Lavrov) the United Nations and International Red Cross reached an agreement to evacuate numerous civilians from Azovstal and withdraw them to Ukrainian held territory. Dozens are reportedly to be evacuated with the first hundred or so civilians arriving in Ukrainian held territory, over 150 miles away, on Monday.
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www.reuters.com
Chances are the Ukrainians were helped by the fact that the Russians made no secret that General Gerasimov was going to be in the area earlier.
Russian forces allegedly intentionally fired upon a family consisting of a Mother and her thirteen and three year old sons as they attempted to flee a town near Kyiv along with a group of other people. After being allowed to pass through a Russian checkpoint, Russian forces allegedly opened fire on them, killing seven people including the thirteen year old Yelysei.
Everyones favorite Russian News Commentary show brings on a 'Russian Military Expert' who Explains How they have Filtration Camps set up already in the Donbass that can 'Process' a hundred thousand prisoners at a time.
Also... if you want to know how long it would take a Nuclear Missile Launched from Kaliningrad to Berlin, Paris or Moscow, Russian Media has the answer for that as well!
No information if they did a reverse study however.
Russian Propaganda Videos (and pictures allegedly sent to the soldiers Mother) show a Azov Battalion prisoner apparently being executed by Russian forces after his capture.
Brokering a deal with both Russian and Ukrainian Authorities (including UN Officials being compelled into a photo op with Russian FM Sergei Lavrov) the United Nations and International Red Cross reached an agreement to evacuate numerous civilians from Azovstal and withdraw them to Ukrainian held territory. Dozens are reportedly to be evacuated with the first hundred or so civilians arriving in Ukrainian held territory, over 150 miles away, on Monday.
Civilians from Mariupol flee Azovstal bunkers in U.N.-led evacuation
Civilians were evacuated on Sunday from the bunkers of Mariupol's Azovstal steel works after the United Nations and the International Red Cross led a deal to ease the ordeal of the most destructive siege of the war in Ukraine.
www.reuters.com
@Husky_Khan ,germans and french are moscow allies,they would never hurt them,and both sides knew that.Althought burning Warsaw could be done,if putin think,that Biden would do nothing in that case.
But - only then,kgb are psychos and genociders,but - lucky for us - cowardly ones.They would never start war,in which they could die.
P.S about concentration camps - moscow is stupid to say that,now ukrainian would fight to death even if putin use nukes.It is always nicer to die fighting,after all.
But - only then,kgb are psychos and genociders,but - lucky for us - cowardly ones.They would never start war,in which they could die.
P.S about concentration camps - moscow is stupid to say that,now ukrainian would fight to death even if putin use nukes.It is always nicer to die fighting,after all.
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
They are grinding up Ukraines trained cadre while advancing slowly and systematically.
If this Offensive Fails It'll Be Revealed to Be a TRIPLE Feint for the REAL ATTACK.
Which is to draw all of the West's MANPADs, Gepards and S-300 systems into Ukraine so they can fire Nuclear Weapons at the Capitols of Europe and drown the British Isles under a Massive Tsunami through the missile defense gap!!!
Except Russia is loosing ground on two of three fronts?
Footage of the Evacuation of Civilians from Mariupol with Red Cross Workers Leading the Way.
Reliable Russian Media Showing Ukrainian Advances in Areas Before Even the OSINT nerds Can Realize Them
Details on Ukrainian UAV's often equipped with anti-tank grenades that are used to take out Russian Armored Vehicles including Tanks.
Two Japanese Volunteers In Ukraine Joining the Fight Against the Russian Invaders.
A railway bridge in the Kursk Region was reportedly damaged due to sabotage, according to that Regions Governor.
Also another facility in Belgorod Oblast in Russia is aflame, reportedly a Russian Military Warehouse.
english.alarabiya.net
Russians Are Systematically Plundering Southern Ukraine. They Cleared Out an Entire Dealership of Agricultural Vehicles Worth Millions of Dollars in Melitopol as one Example with Many of the Vehicles now Apparently Located in Chechnya. Unfortunately, at least for now, the vehicles remain inoperable due to them being remotely shut down.
www.ctvnews.ca
Also the Russians continue to Pillage the Farms and Stores of Foodstuffs, Shipping Off Tons of Agricultural Product Back to Crimea since the Railroads and Ports are Still Closed to Most Traffic Due to the Entire War Thing Going On.
Reliable Russian Media Showing Ukrainian Advances in Areas Before Even the OSINT nerds Can Realize Them
Details on Ukrainian UAV's often equipped with anti-tank grenades that are used to take out Russian Armored Vehicles including Tanks.
Two Japanese Volunteers In Ukraine Joining the Fight Against the Russian Invaders.
A railway bridge in the Kursk Region was reportedly damaged due to sabotage, according to that Regions Governor.
Also another facility in Belgorod Oblast in Russia is aflame, reportedly a Russian Military Warehouse.
Russia reports fire at military facility in Belgorod region near Ukraine border
One person was injured in a fire on a Russian defense ministry facility in the southern Belgorod region bordering Ukraine, Belgorod region governor said on
Russians Are Systematically Plundering Southern Ukraine. They Cleared Out an Entire Dealership of Agricultural Vehicles Worth Millions of Dollars in Melitopol as one Example with Many of the Vehicles now Apparently Located in Chechnya. Unfortunately, at least for now, the vehicles remain inoperable due to them being remotely shut down.
Russians plunder US$5M farm vehicles from Ukraine -- to find they've been remotely disabled
Russian troops in the occupied city of Melitopol have stolen all the equipment from a farm equipment dealership. But after a journey of more than 1,100 kilometres , the thieves were unable to use any of the equipment -- because it had been locked remotely.
Also the Russians continue to Pillage the Farms and Stores of Foodstuffs, Shipping Off Tons of Agricultural Product Back to Crimea since the Railroads and Ports are Still Closed to Most Traffic Due to the Entire War Thing Going On.
planefag
A Flying Bundle of Sticks
But... why?
I mean. Consider the possible goals:
- Encircling Ukrainian troops in the Joint Forces Area. Not going to happen, given they're advancing at a rate of a kilometer or two a day, at best. They couldn't "encircle" anything moving at ten times that speed. To encircle you have to cut off the other guy before he can withdraw, and that means digging in around him well enough that he can't break through.
- Somehow taking Odessa and keeping the entire Ukrainian Black Sea coast, which is impossible with forces committed across the entire eastern front. Nor can they hope to rapidly shift flank and steal a march with NATO intel assets watching everthing that walketh, crawleth or blyateth in Ukraine.
- Reaching the borders of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts for political puppeterring purposes so their "Novorussia" annexation is complete. Not gonna happen, given their positions across most of the front anywhere near Donetsk city proper have barely budged (in some places not at all) from the previous frontline during the eight-year Donbas War.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
To me, it looks like they are trying to carve up something so that Putin can establish a proxy state and say "job done" and withdraw without losing face.
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
I cant speak as to thier overall strategy everywhere, but thier goal in the donbass is grind up the best of the Ukrainian cadre with artillery, wreck their gear and slowly, systematically advance. I imagine once the Ukrainians have been exhausted enough, they will try for a full breakthrough. The strategy seems to be working, because that blob moving south of Izyum is growing.
paulobrito
Well-known member
In theory - and nobody here has all the facts - they are trying to destroy the professional part of the Ukrainian Army and at the same time conquer all of the Dombass region.
How and why they are doing it this way - anybody guesses.
How and why they are doing it this way - anybody guesses.
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
According to what I know, and I'm basing this on the analysis of the Polish analyst Jaroslaw Wolski, the Russians' goal is simple, they're not trying any tactical tricks they're simply using a huge artillery roller slowly and at the cost of huge WWI-style losses to advance in an attempt to destroy the bulge in Donbass.
In the long run this works better for the Russians than it does for the Ukrainians, because the Russians can still throw men into the meat grinder while Ukraine almost all of its heavily-marshalled brigades to fight in the Donbass. They need to be relieved, the problem is that the best they can get is the last two brigades being reconstructed and a dozen or so independent battalions. All this is kept in the region, and probably the only armored brigade with full personnel has already been used up and suffered heavy losses in the main battle area.
The question is just how much damage the Russians have suffered and how much they are bluffing that they still have reserves.
Those brigades that are fighting there, that is probably over 32 out of 36 pre-war brigades, have been fighting non-stop for over a month and a half. According to the official data, the relieving should take place after two weeks of fighting because the units have lost a significant part of their strength and need replacements now.
In fact, the Ukrainians are looking for a way to move the war into the maneuver phase, with their special forces rampaging behind the front lines focusing mainly on Russian logistics to relieve pressure on frontline troops.
This sack in the Donbass, instead of being Kursk Arc 2.0 is Verden 2.0.
More footage of Russia's "Grinding Operation." Here you can see Russian Armored Vehicles are Grinding Ukrainian Artillery Forces to Exhaustion by Offering Them Ample Targets.
Precision Strike by Russian Forces Attempting to Take Out an Important Ukrainian Military Facility (Note the Tractors Nearby). Meme Denial Ops like this will be More Common in Future Conflicts.
As we speak the Russians are moving more Reinforcements into the Donbass to Grind More Ukrainian Troops into Oblivion.
Oops... Don't worry, it's just a Counter-Battery Radar. Those are cheap. I doubt the Radar is even on the top of the vehicle so it's totally undamaged.
Typically it could take MINUTES to deploy a tank off of a Transporter Truck but Russia has managed to masterfully execute a rapid deployment maneuver after undoubtedly months of practice and training.
Not to be outdone, Ukraine is revealing a way to make MT-LB's actually look somewhat cooler, by bolting rocket pods onto its top.
Precision Strike by Russian Forces Attempting to Take Out an Important Ukrainian Military Facility (Note the Tractors Nearby). Meme Denial Ops like this will be More Common in Future Conflicts.
As we speak the Russians are moving more Reinforcements into the Donbass to Grind More Ukrainian Troops into Oblivion.
Oops... Don't worry, it's just a Counter-Battery Radar. Those are cheap. I doubt the Radar is even on the top of the vehicle so it's totally undamaged.
Typically it could take MINUTES to deploy a tank off of a Transporter Truck but Russia has managed to masterfully execute a rapid deployment maneuver after undoubtedly months of practice and training.
Not to be outdone, Ukraine is revealing a way to make MT-LB's actually look somewhat cooler, by bolting rocket pods onto its top.