Trump Investigations Thread

[evilchumlee]

What specific promises did you want him to not follow through on?

Repealing Obamacare
If it was for a single payer universal system, cool... but... that did not appear to be the plan.)

"Build a wall, make Mexico pay for it."
First, it's just nonsensical. Second, it's just not all that effective or feasible. Shore up border fences where necessary. We didn't need an insane expensive literal concrete wall running the nation's border.

Approving Keystone XL.
It was a terrible idea the entire time, never should have gotten off the ground at all. Not all pipelines and such are bad, THAT specific one is.

"I'm going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money."
Fuck off Trump, we will keep our 1st Amendment. There already are libel laws. Just because people call you out on your bullshit doesn't mean they are lies. Deal with it.

"Department of Environmental Protection. We are going to get rid of it in almost every form. We're going to have little tidbits left, but we're going to take a tremendous amount out."
The EPA is a good thing. Protecting the environment is a good thing.

"That's why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do, too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states."
No. No it shouldn't. Republicans sure hate the Feds getting involved with state government, until they don't. That's a state issue. Has no business being on Federal level.

"Largely we can eliminate the Department of Education."
Sounds about right for Trump.

"I would defund it because of the abortion factor, which they say is 3 percent. I don't know what percentage it is. They say it's 3 percent. But I would defund it, because I'm pro-life." (Planned Parenthood)
Planned Parenthood is a wonderful organization that provides healthcare for women.

"End birthright citizenship."
Republicans are now for... taking away Constitutionally protected rights?!

"We're going to cancel the Paris Climate Agreement and stop all payments of U.S. tax dollars to U.N. global warming programs."
Terrible idea at a terrible time.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Repealing Obamacare
If it was for a single payer universal system, cool... but... that did not appear to be the plan.)

Man government employees have routinely proven they can't even be trusted with the right to vote and you wanna trust them with the decision about whether people not a loved one can get an organ transplant? Lmao

In the UK they just murdered a toddler via bureaucratic fiat and you want this tyranny by the managerial class imported here?

As to the Keystone pipeline anything that takes income away from degree holders and puts it in the hands of people in trades is objectively a good thing.

the Preaidential mandate should be 3 things and only 3 things

1, Forcefully restore the era where 80% of the world's wealth belonged to the American Middle Class. By any means

2, Imprison at least 30% of Federal Employees for their involvement in the atrocities committed against the American people from 2009 to 2024. Hold multiple treason trials multiple times a day nonstop for two years, streaming them all.

3,Restore an era where the power resides almost solely with married couples who have more than 3 children.

Nothing else.

Trump at least tried one of those things. Though being a liberal he did it poorly

 

[LordsFire]

SNIP

So, the root problem here is that you're buying into a lot of the media's leftist lies.

To address things one by one:

1. Obamacare has been an absolute disaster, driving costs up, and quality of care down. It was also unconstitutional. To give you an idea of just how bad it was, I knew a guy in 2013 who would have had to pay more than his entire annual income into the system, then into co-pays, before he got a single cent back out of it. It was an utter disaster from beginning to end.

2. Building a wall is a good idea. It's a footnote on the federal budget, and the dissuasion effect alone, of making it clear that we no longer want millions crossing the border illegally each year, would be huge.

3. No, Keystone XL was not a terrible idea. It's just that watermelons and their like hate anything that makes the west prosperous.

4. Trump is far too much a blunt instrument to deal with the problem with our libel laws, but he's not wrong that there is a problem. Mainstream Journalism is 90+% lies by volume, even if a lot of those lies are lies of omission, and being able to continuously, perpetually slander people needs to have some kind of response at some point. It's the sort of thing you need to be extremely careful so that you don't damage the first amendment, which Trump was not suitable for dealing with.

5. Reasonable protection of the environment is a good thing. The EPA is not; it's an obstructionist bureaucracy that is choking the life out of our economy, and keeps trying to assume more and more authority on itself.

6. You're correct that a concealed carry permit should not be valid in all 50 states. Because the Constitution is clear; 'Shall not be infringed.' Concealed is constitutionally legal in all 50 states with no permit required. Any subordinate laws violating this are in violation of the Constitution.

7. The Department of Education has been a disaster. Standards have fallen across the board since its implementation; why are we wasting money like this?

8. Planned Parenthood has been the key actor in the largest campaign of murder in human history. The idea that they provide generalized 'health care' is a flat-out lie, and there are plenty of former employees who testify to this. They're a money-making operation that profits off of murder, and was founded with an explicit racist intent to boot, one which statistics bear out in how disproportionately they kill black babies.

9. I'll agree with you that ending birthright citizenship would be a bad plan. It's being abused, but the solution is not trying to amend the constitution to end it, but instead blocking the practice of 'anchor babies' another way, such as by requiring foreign nationals who engage in birth tourism to either give up the child, give up the child's American citizenship, or give up their citizenship in another nation.

10. The Paris Climate Agreement was a terrible agreement that literally nobody entered with any real intention of following through on. In spite of pulling out, while Trump was in the White House, America somehow managed to do more carbon reduction than basically anyone else. Funny how that worked.


TL;DR: Government is not the solution to our problems, it's the cause of most of them.

 

[evilchumlee]

As to the Keystone pipeline anything that takes income away from degree holders and puts it in the hands of people in trades is objectively a good thing.

I'm not sure that's what "objective" means.

the Preaidential mandate should be 3 things and only 3 things

1, Forcefully restore the era where 80% of the world's wealth belonged to the American Middle Class. By any means

And Trump (as well as others) giving a bunch of tax breaks to billionaires really helps that...

I don't entirely disagree with you. We could definitely use some redistribution of wealth. An oddly socialist idea for this board, though.

2, Imprison at least 30% of Federal Employees for their involvement in the atrocities committed against the American people from 2009 to 2024. Hold multiple treason trials multiple times a day nonstop for two years, streaming them all.

2009 is where we start? 30%? Where does that number come from? You have evidence that 30% of Federal workers have committed crimes?

3,Restore an era where the power resides almost solely with married couples who have more than 3 children.

What? Why?

So, the root problem here is that you're buying into a lot of the media's leftist lies.

I'm not gonna go point by point. My general response is "I disagree" to most of it, but I respect actually giving reasons why you disagree. A critique though, starting off with a comment like this is an easy way to mostly dismiss.

"The root of the problem with this thread is that you're buying into Trump's lies".

It's just... lazy.

 

[LordsFire]

I'm not gonna go point by point. My general response is "I disagree" to most of it, but I respect actually giving reasons why you disagree. A critique though, starting off with a comment like this is an easy way to mostly dismiss.

"The root of the problem with this thread is that you're buying into Trump's lies".

It's just... lazy.

I've followed politics since the 90's. I don't think Trump coming onto the political stage has changed a single one of the political stances I've had for 20+ years.

Trump is a symptom of the current political environment, not the architect of it.

 

[evilchumlee]

Trump is a symptom of the current political environment, not the architect of it.

That's 100% true.

 

[bintananth]

You're fucking delusional

I'm also right more often than not.

Trump and Co. already lost the NY fraud case by way of a summary judgment. The current trial is, in basketball sports-speak "garbage time" to determine the final score while the clock winds down to 00:00.00.

Trump and Co. are - in basketball sports-speak - committing fouls to stop the clock and giving the other side free-throws.

That only sometimes works when you're down by about 4 or less when the shot clock is off. It doesn't work when you're down by 20+ with minutes to go.

 

[Vyor]

Trump and Co. already lost the NY fraud case by way of a summary judgment.

Which is getting appealed because said ruling is fucking insane.

 

[IndyFront]

Not exactly related to the investigations, but Jimmy Dore recently exposed rather succinctly the lie that Trump wants to prosecute his political enemies (what the Democrats are doing at this very moment ironically enough)

 

[bintananth]

Not exactly related to the investigations, but Jimmy Dore recently exposed rather succinctly the lie that Trump wants to prosecute his political enemies (what the Democrats are doing at this very moment ironically enough)

I ain't white. No one I'm related to is. Some parts of the GOP are saying that non-whites aren't American and fostering the idea that they deserve death.

I'm fairly certain that @Captain X is native-American and equally opposed to the extermination of non-whites

 

[IndyFront]

I ain't white. No one I'm related to is. Some parts of the GOP are saying that non-whites aren't American and fostering the idea that they deserve death.

I'm fairly certain that @Captain X is native-American and equally opposed to the extermination of non-whites

They're fucking idiots. The GOP would lose every election for the rest of time if they unironically came out in extermination of non-whites. Luckily those people are fringe and don't represent the GOP as a whole

 

[bintananth]

They're fucking idiots. The GOP would lose every election for the rest of time if they unironically came out in extermination of non-whites. Luckily those people are fringe and don't represent the GOP as a whole

Never under-estimate stupidiy. Vivek Ganapathy Ramaswamy has said that he wants to do away with birthright citizenship and deport all of the foreigners.

Um ... where do I start?

 

[evilchumlee]

They're fucking idiots. The GOP would lose every election for the rest of time if they unironically came out in extermination of non-whites. Luckily those people are fringe and don't represent the GOP as a whole

That's one of my issues with the GOP though. Sure, those people are on the fringe and don't represent the GOP as a whole... but the GOP also panders to them as a reliable voting bloc.

I hate the extremes on both sides, but if you held a gun to my head and make me choose, i'd take the extreme left over the extreme right. The extreme left is absolutely insane, but I do think they have good intentions. The extreme right is pure concentrated evil. I'll take insane over malevolent.

 

[The One Char]

That's one of my issues with the GOP though. Sure, those people are on the fringe and don't represent the GOP as a whole... but the GOP also panders to them as a reliable voting bloc.

I hate the extremes on both sides, but if you held a gun to my head and make me choose, i'd take the extreme left over the extreme right. The extreme left is absolutely insane, but I do think they have good intentions. The extreme right is pure concentrated evil. I'll take insane over malevolent.

And one of the dems core voting blocs is currently chanting "from the river to the sea" and "globalize the intifada" and attacking jews so shut the fuck up.

 

[evilchumlee]

And one of the dems core voting blocs is currently chanting "from the river to the sea" and "globalize the intifada" and attacking jews so shut the fuck up.

And one of the GOP's core voting blocs are literal Nazi's.

Everyone is fucked up.

 

[Blasterbot]

Never under-estimate stupidiy. Vivek Ganapathy Ramaswamy has said that he wants to do away with birthright citizenship and deport all of the foreigners.

Um ... where do I start?

what an incredibly uncharitable way to frame that. Guy wants to deal with the issue of anchor babies. he acknowledges that it would need an amendment. it wouldn't take away citizenship from anyone born before that change occurred. the foreigners thing is him wanting to deport illegals. yes. yes you should deport illegal migrants. phrasing it they way you are is implying that it would work together to banish all the POC from America.

 

[The One Char]

And one of the GOP's core voting blocs are literal Nazi's.

Everyone is fucked up.

Thank you for reminding me you're so stupid you're incapable of acting or arguing in good faith.

 

[evilchumlee]

he acknowledges that it would need an amendment.

The way that I look at it... fine. I don't agree with removing birthright citizenship. I'm generally against removing rights.

As long as they try to do this the correct way, through a constitutional amendment... fine. If it happens, so be it.

Thank you for reminding me you're so stupid you're incapable of acting or arguing in good faith.

Am I wrong though?

Are the swastika-flag waving people that are a bit too common nowadays voting Democrat?

It's by no means all conservatives. I'm talking about the extremes. Are you telling me that our Neo-Nazi's, skinheads, Ku Klux Klan, etc. types are not voting Republican?

 

[The One Char]

The way that I look at it... fine. I don't agree with removing birthright citizenship. I'm generally against removing rights.

As long as they try to do this the correct way, through a constitutional amendment... fine. If it happens, so be it.



Am I wrong though?

Are the swastika-flag waving people that are a bit too common nowadays voting Democrat?

It's by no means all conservatives. I'm talking about the extremes. Are you telling me that our Neo-Nazi's, skinheads, Ku Klux Klan, etc. types are not voting Republican?

Considering nine point fucking five out of ten times they're feds LARPing to give their masters propaganda? Nope. for example there are probably about ten thousand-ish members of the KKK in the country, five thousand are some flavor of law enforcement.

But you wont believe that.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Are the swastika-flag waving people that are a bit too common nowadays voting Democrat?

Generally yeah, b/c a lot of flag-waving natzis are people cosplaying to incrimnate the right.