Trump Investigations Thread

[Cherico]

Remarkable, literally every part of what you said is untrue whilst simultaneously failing to address any part of any issue.

But that's about what I'd expect from the kinda quitter who gives up on their own shit hole country to ruin someone else's instead.

We actually did get biden daughters diary where she did talk about her father taking inapropiate showers with her. So while you can call that hyperbowl that's one thing we can put in the true catagory.

As for the rest were you a moderator on Space battles yes or no, also what country are you from? Because a lot of countries went fucking psycho during the lockdowns.

Way I see it, depending on your response, we have at least one mark in watch dogs catogory. Depending on your response for nation of orgin and the former moderator post he might be 3 for 3 or 2 out of 3. In any case if even one thing he says is true even if hyperbole then your statement about you saying eveyrthing he said was literally untrue is false.


But I think the big issue here is that you have called people racist for saying what you just said to Watch dog.

So you either have to admit your were wrong about all of those rants or you need to apologize to Watch Dog.

Good news Watchdogs a pretty solid guy and would have no problem accepting your apology.

 

[Megadeath]

Lmao the leftist always defaults to "Know thy place illiterate latin serf"

Every fucking time.View attachment 1729

Lol, that's not what I was insulting you for moron. Quitters can come from Latin America as readily as anywhere else, but there's plenty of better people there too. Perhaps you are illiterate after all though if that's the best you can parse it. Also once again failing to engage with either the previous point or the new one, so I'm just going to accept your inability to (ever) actually argue a point as a concession from now on so I can ignore the faeces flinging that makes up 90% of your posting.

We actually did get biden daughters diary where she did talk about her father taking inapropiate showers with her. So while you can call that hyperbowl that's one thing we can put in the true catagory.

As for the rest were you a moderator on Space battles yes or no, also what country are you from? Because a lot of countries went fucking psycho during the lockdowns.

Way I see it, depending on your response, we have at least one mark in watch dogs catogory. Depending on your response for nation of orgin and the former moderator post he might be 3 for 3 or 2 out of 3. In any case if even one thing he says is true even if hyperbole then your statement about you saying eveyrthing he said was literally untrue is false.


But I think the big issue here is that you have called people racist for saying what you just said to Watch dog.

So you either have to admit your were wrong about all of those rants or you need to apologize to Watch Dog.

Good news Watchdogs a pretty solid guy and would have no problem accepting your apology.

Thank god I don't give a shit what you think when it's so very dumb. No, something being vaguely similar does not make them the same. As to the rest, that's a technical no on being an SB mod, and as I'm sure you've been involved in a discussion that covered before, I'm an Aussie.

As for what you consider the big issue, what I said could certainly be considered anti-immigrant but I don't think it's racist. If you think I was wrong in "all of those rants" I'd love for you to actually quote said "rants".

Regardless, I certainly won't be apologising. I idn't particularly mean what I said, the only point of it was to respond to his garbage "arguments" on their own stupid level.

 

[Rocinante]

Lol, that's not what I was insulting you for moron. Quitters can come from Latin America as readily as anywhere else, but there's plenty of better people there too. Perhaps you are illiterate after all though if that's the best you can parse it. Also once again failing to engage with either the previous point or the new one, so I'm just going to accept your inability to (ever) actually argue a point as a concession from now on so I can ignore the faeces flinging that makes up 90% of your posting.


Thank god I don't give a shit what you think when it's so very dumb. No, something being vaguely similar does not make them the same. As to the rest, that's a technical no on being an SB mod, and as I'm sure you've been involved in a discussion that covered before, I'm an Aussie.

As for what you consider the big issue, what I said could certainly be considered anti-immigrant but I don't think it's racist. If you think I was wrong in "all of those rants" I'd love for you to actually quote said "rants".

Regardless, I certainly won't be apologising. I idn't particularly mean what I said, the only point of it was to respond to his garbage "arguments" on their own stupid level.

"I said something kinda racist but I didn't really mean it, so it doesn't really count."

Lefties always disguise or cover for their racism with an excuse like this. "Well It had context, it wasn't really racist," but no, you used his ethnicity in an argument against him. That's pretty racist of you. And for the record I disagree with a majority of what that dude says and how he says it. He often comes off as a total whackjob and extremely over exaggerates things he says. Dude has a flair for hyperbole...you still pulled the race card out, though. Just admit it, apologize and move on and all is good.

 

[Megadeath]

"I said something kinda racist but I didn't really mean it, so it doesn't really count."

Lefties always disguise or cover for their racism with an excuse like this. "Well It had context, it wasn't really racist," but no, you used his ethnicity in an argument against him. That's pretty racist of you. And for the record I disagree with a majority of what that dude says and how he says it. He often comes off as a total whackjob and extremely over exaggerates things he says. Dude has a flair for hyperbole...you still pulled the race card out, though. Just admit it, apologize and move on and all is good.

Okay, I do care somewhat what you think. But, point to where I said anything about race or ethnicity. Everything I said makes exactly as much sense and works exactly the same if he's Irish and moved to the UK, Vietnamese who moved to Japan, or an American immigrant to Australia. I literally don't even know where he's from beyond South America. That whatever country it is is a shit hole is entirely predicated on his own previous statements.

i suppose you could argue that saying any country is a shit hole is racist? But, that's pretty dumb. Noth Korea is a shit hole. Doesn't mean I have anything against the majority of north Koreans. Same for half the middle east.

Finally, once again... I truly despise the ridiculous labeling. For one thing, what exactly do you presume that from? A hatred of Trump and disgust at the firearms situation in the US? I don't think you know a great deal else about my political opinions. Further, reducing everything to a lobotomised simplicity of US vs THEM, left vs right mentality is wildly counter-productive for any kind of functional society and also far too simplistic to even approximate the spectrum of issues based political positions.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Okay, I do care somewhat what you think. But, point to where I said anything about race or ethnicity. Everything I said makes exactly as much sense and works exactly the same if he's Irish and moved to the UK, Vietnamese who moved to Japan, or an American immigrant to Australia. I literally don't even know where he's from beyond South America. That whatever country it is is a shit hole is entirely predicated on his own previous statements.

i suppose you could argue that saying any country is a shit hole is racist? But, that's pretty dumb. Noth Korea is a shit hole. Doesn't mean I have anything against the majority of north Koreans. Same for half the middle east.

Finally, once again... I truly despise the ridiculous labeling. For one thing, what exactly do you presume that from? A hatred of Trump and disgust at the firearms situation in the US? I don't think you know a great deal else about my political opinions. Further, reducing everything to a lobotomised simplicity of US vs THEM, left vs right mentality is wildly counter-productive for any kind of functional society and also far too simplistic to even approximate the spectrum of issues based political positions.

Dude just take the L already.

 

[Megadeath]

Dude just take the L already.

Why, thank you for your insightful wisdom. It is perfectly in line with the brilliance I've come to expect from you, and inarguably you have added greatly to this dialogue.

 

[Rocinante]

Okay, I do care somewhat what you think. But, point to where I said anything about race or ethnicity. Everything I said makes exactly as much sense and works exactly the same if he's Irish and moved to the UK, Vietnamese who moved to Japan, or an American immigrant to Australia. I literally don't even know where he's from beyond South America. That whatever country it is is a shit hole is entirely predicated on his own previous statements.

i suppose you could argue that saying any country is a shit hole is racist? But, that's pretty dumb. Noth Korea is a shit hole. Doesn't mean I have anything against the majority of north Koreans. Same for half the middle east.

Finally, once again... I truly despise the ridiculous labeling. For one thing, what exactly do you presume that from? A hatred of Trump and disgust at the firearms situation in the US? I don't think you know a great deal else about my political opinions. Further, reducing everything to a lobotomised simplicity of US vs THEM, left vs right mentality is wildly counter-productive for any kind of functional society and also far too simplistic to even approximate the spectrum of issues based political positions.

Okay. You're not a typical lefty, I have agreed with you on occasion. And at times even decided I like you. So this morning, I have lumped you in with them, incorrectly.
You're not a 100% fit, and you have original ideas instead of just following the ideology like a good little lefty. I vehemently disagree with you on some topics, but you've always been pretty cool to me even when I was being an asshole to you, So you don't deserve to be lumped in with them. I like you for the same reason I like @bintananth. Yeah you're to the left of me, but I don't see you as the typical SB ideological leftist. The fact that you're willing to hang with a bunch of right wingers who are routinely hostile to you says a thing or two about your character.

Anyways, maybe I've been conditioned by lefties, or maybe some of my own old leftism is coming through, I can EASILY see how your post could be considered racism, by the recipient. Was it outright, horrendous racism? Not even close. It's not a binary. Its a spectrum, (like how the left views gender! Lol) and that was wayy over on the lower end.

My interpretation was that you were attacking him based on the country he's from. Which ehh, maybe "racist" isn't the exact right word, but there's some sort of "ist" going on there.

But I don't think it's an egregiously racist thing. More of a "sorry about that, didn't mean it That way," and move on kind of thing.

 

[Megadeath]

Okay. You're not a typical lefty, I have agreed with you on occasion. And at times even decided I like you. So this morning, I have lumped you in with them, incorrectly.
You're not a 100% fit, and you have original ideas instead of just following the ideology like a good little lefty. I vehemently disagree with you on some topics, but you've always been pretty cool to me even when I was being an asshole to you, So you don't deserve to be lumped in with them. I like you for the same reason I like @bintananth. Yeah you're to the left of me, but I don't see you as the typical SB ideological leftist. The fact that you're willing to hang with a bunch of right wingers who are routinely hostile to you says a thing or two about your character.

Anyways, maybe I've been conditioned by lefties, or maybe some of my own old leftism is coming through, I can EASILY see how your post could be considered racism, by the recipient. Was it outright, horrendous racism? Not even close. It's not a binary. Its a spectrum, (like how the left views gender! Lol) and that was wayy over on the lower end.

My interpretation was that you were attacking him based on the country he's from. Which ehh, maybe "racist" isn't the exact right word, but there's some sort of "ist" going on there.

But I don't think it's an egregiously racist thing. More of a "sorry about that, didn't mean it That way," and move on kind of thing.

Well, when you put it like that... 😳 Yeah, rereading with a clearer head and trying to put aside my own knowledge of my post, yes I can easily see it being taken as racist. That means I phrased it poorly, and for that and any offence anyone may have take for it, I will apologise.

That said, it was intended as an insult. I was intentionally responding to a childish insult in kind. The insult was intended to be of his choices and character though, not ethnicity, nationality or race. I think anyone who gives up and runs away in the face of adversity or refuses to stand up for and fight (In whatever form that is.) for their own values is deplorable. He's indicated that he's done basically exactly that. Which isn't the only or even main reason I dislike him, but that's not important. It was a throw away insult but certainly not intended to be a racist one or anything similar, but admittedly the way it was expressed could have been more clear. I hope that's cleared things up for anyone concerned.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Lol, that's not what I was insulting you for moron. Quitters can come from Latin America as readily as anywhere else, but there's plenty of better people there too. Perhaps you are illiterate after all though if that's the best you can parse it. Also once again failing to engage with either the previous point or the new one, so I'm just going to accept your inability to (ever) actually argue a point as a concession from now on so I can ignore the faeces flinging that makes up 90% of your posting.

Did you say something worth a refutation? No, not really. There is a criminal conspiracy to frame a former president and frankly I believe 100% of the evidence presented by 80% of federal Prosecutors are forgeries 100% of the time.

So my contention is this.

Jack Smith should be put on trial for treason. Nothing else matters, all evidence he presents is false.

This is an immutable truth.

In conclusion: hate speech is a lie, Australians were put in concentration camps, you've attacked my race multiple times. There are only two genders, the coof vaccine was an attempt to kill two billion people and the Titanic was sunk by a bomb to keep the people opposed to the Federal reserve from organizing!

Thank you, goodnight!

Note, I don't actually believe that last one about the Titanic 🤣🤣

Edit- oh an abandoning a crackhouse to escape junkies who chose to kill themselves slowly with poison isn't cowardice, it's self defense.

 

[Cherico]

Okay, I do care somewhat what you think. But, point to where I said anything about race or ethnicity. Everything I said makes exactly as much sense and works exactly the same if he's Irish and moved to the UK, Vietnamese who moved to Japan, or an American immigrant to Australia. I literally don't even know where he's from beyond South America. That whatever country it is is a shit hole is entirely predicated on his own previous statements.

i suppose you could argue that saying any country is a shit hole is racist? But, that's pretty dumb. Noth Korea is a shit hole. Doesn't mean I have anything against the majority of north Koreans. Same for half the middle east.

Finally, once again... I truly despise the ridiculous labeling. For one thing, what exactly do you presume that from? A hatred of Trump and disgust at the firearms situation in the US? I don't think you know a great deal else about my political opinions. Further, reducing everything to a lobotomised simplicity of US vs THEM, left vs right mentality is wildly counter-productive for any kind of functional society and also far too simplistic to even approximate the spectrum of issues based political positions.

No man what you said was racist by your standards.

Like you really reemed into a person for saying something similar, you really got on your high horse to do it to, I mean it got super uncomfortable you went into a very dark place.

And now you just have done the exact same thing....

Dude either apologize or stop trying to impose rules on to others that your not capable of following yourself.

 

[Megadeath]

No man what you said was racist by your standards.

Like you really reemed into a person for saying something similar, you really got on your high horse to do it to, I mean it got super uncomfortable you went into a very dark place.

And now you just have done the exact same thing....

Dude either apologize or stop trying to impose rules on to others that your not capable of following yourself.

Again, I'm sure I don't have a clue what you're talking about but if you'd care to quote it then I'm prepared to address it.

 

[strunkenwhite]

Dude either apologize or stop trying to impose rules on to others that your not capable of following yourself.

I'm curious what your opinion is of (and if you had even noticed) the apology he rendered here:

Well, when you put it like that... 😳 Yeah, rereading with a clearer head and trying to put aside my own knowledge of my post, yes I can easily see it being taken as racist. That means I phrased it poorly, and for that and any offence anyone may have take for it, I will apologise.

That said, it was intended as an insult. I was intentionally responding to a childish insult in kind. The insult was intended to be of his choices and character though, not ethnicity, nationality or race. I think anyone who gives up and runs away in the face of adversity or refuses to stand up for and fight (In whatever form that is.) for their own values is deplorable. He's indicated that he's done basically exactly that. Which isn't the only or even main reason I dislike him, but that's not important. It was a throw away insult but certainly not intended to be a racist one or anything similar, but admittedly the way it was expressed could have been more clear. I hope that's cleared things up for anyone concerned.

 

[Cherico]

I'm curious what your opinion is of (and if you had even noticed) the apology he rendered here:

That's as honestly as close to an apology as your going to get from Megadeth

 

[Pocky Balboa]

I'm curious what your opinion is of (and if you had even noticed) the apology he rendered here:

That ain't an apology, my dude.

 

[Blasterbot]

I'm curious what your opinion is of (and if you had even noticed) the apology he rendered here:

in the spirit it was given the TLDR is I didn't mean to accidentally a racism that I would jump on someone else over but I wanted to insult the other guy a lot because he is an immigrant as well as having other traits I don't like. besides he started it.

NGL pretty dick move. I kinda expect it but seeing how the double standard happens in real time is sad.

 

[Megadeath]

in the spirit it was given the TLDR is I didn't mean to accidentally a racism that I would jump on someone else over but I wanted to insult the other guy a lot because he is an immigrant as well as having other traits I don't like. besides he started it.

NGL pretty dick move. I kinda expect it but seeing how the double standard happens in real time is sad.

The double standard? Why yes, it is kinda sad, isn't it? I responded with a childish insult when childishly insulted. In response we've had a whole page of people condemning me for what they imagine I meant despite clarification, and not one word said against the other idiot simply because despite being half crazy and mostly vile he's part of "your side".

Also, nothing I said was racist, nor was it insulting him for being an immigrant. The insult applies regardless of race, ethnicity etc. and doesn't apply to all or even most immigrants. But I'm sure you'll go on wilfully misrepresenting what I've said and insisting you know better than I what I actually meant and think, because like so many you're incapable of viewing anything past the simple binary of "Us vs Them" and can't get past the pathological need to defend "your side". Sad indeed.

 

[Abhorsen]

@Megadeath, you accused @Pocky Balboa of being in QAnon's major beliefs, which is an accusation of extremism. Specifically, you claimed Pocky believed that Trump was going to declare martial law from his secret bunker and arrest the government:

I bet you were one of the idiots sitting around waiting for him to declare martial law from his secret bunker and arrest basically the entire government after they "showed their hands" with the "treason" of his "fraudulent" election loss, weren't you?

As per rule 2e: accusations of extremism:

• e) Accusations of being or belonging to a political extremist group or holding an extremist ideology, unless the poster self-identifies as such or can be proved to be such, with the accuser having the burden of proving their accusation.

This is not allowed without proof.

So you have a few options..

First, you can provide enough evidence that it is more probable than not @Pocky Balboa specifically holds the beliefs you claim he holds. For example, proof that he believes in QAnon would suffice, a post of him stating he believes in the secret bunker stuff would suffice, etc. If you have him alluding to being a QAnon, that would also suffice (a bunch of QAnon Memes, him using QAnon quotes like "Where we go one, we go all", etc.).

It is insufficient to only show that he believes 1) the election was "stolen" or "fradulant" or 2) that the people in power are treasonous or crooks or should go to jail, as you accused him of believing a significantly more extreme ideology than that. You have to show that Pocky believes that Trump is somehow going to arrest people, declare martial law, etc. in some sort of abnormal extrajudicial method. TBC, I'm not saying don't show evidence relating to Pocky's possible belief in election fraud or that people in power are crooks as part of your case, just that showing that alone is insufficient.


Your second option, if you are unable to do the above, is that you can publicly retract your statement with a post in this thread, stating that there is no evidence Pocky is a QAnon follower nor that he believe in those things. It's insufficient for a retraction to simply state that you couldn't find evidence.

You have 48 hours to do one of those two. If you do not, you will be hit with a perma thread ban. If you, for some reason, claim to not have heard about this within the 48 hours later on, you can appeal by opening an appeal thread, and a valid defense would be satisfying the option one defense of your claims.



For everyone else: we don't want people on the threads screeching "Racist Nazi Bigot" or similar on the board. But if the person is a Racist, you are allowed to state that with proof. Preferably, include the proof in the post you are making the claim, so staff doesn't have to step in and demand proof.

 

[Megadeath]

Well, that puts me in an awkward position @Abhorsen. I'll start by saying that if @Pocky Balboa truly finds the comparison to those lunatics odious, then I do indeed apologise for hurting his feelings with said aspersions. I'm also quite prepared to say that not only can't I find definitive proof but that such doesn't exist on this site. I'm also of course willing to undertake not to say the same or similar again without more specific evidence.
On the other hand, in so far as my "claim" was a statement of my personal belief, those beliefs remain unchanged and I'm therefore unwilling to repudiate them. That personal belief is based on many comments like :

I consider anyone who still thinks the election wasn't stolen to be approving of Biden as a president and supportive of the current problems the US is in. As such, I consider them, if they're American citizens to be traitorous scumbags who should be treated like any treasonous slime deserves to be treated.

and others about the election and Trump in general. As I say, I'm prepared to accept that such posts don't rise to the level of evidence you think is necessary for me to share those beliefs so I won't, but no one can dictate my conscience or determine what standards define my personal beliefs and while I'm willing not to share them where it may cause upset I'm entirely unwilling to lie about those beliefs.

Also, colour me wildly unsurprised that despite your last sentence acknowledging similar behaviour in others I'm the one specifically called out.

 

[Abhorsen]

Well, that puts me in an awkward position @Abhorsen. I'll start by saying that if @Pocky Balboa truly finds the comparison to those lunatics odious, then I do indeed apologise for hurting his feelings with said aspersions. I'm also quite prepared to say that not only can't I find definitive proof but that such doesn't exist on this site. I'm also of course willing to undertake not to say the same or similar again without more specific evidence.
On the other hand, in so far as my "claim" was a statement of my personal belief, those beliefs remain unchanged and I'm therefore unwilling to repudiate them. That personal belief is based on many comments like :

and others about the election and Trump in general. As I say, I'm prepared to accept that such posts don't rise to the level of evidence you think is necessary for me to share those beliefs so I won't, but no one can dictate my conscience or determine what standards define my personal beliefs and while I'm willing not to share them where it may cause upset I'm entirely unwilling to lie about those beliefs.

Also, colour me wildly unsurprised that despite your last sentence acknowledging similar behaviour in others I'm the one specifically called out.

You are the one being called out here, but this has happened before, and the poster in question has supplied proof. We have this rule because we think it serves a practicable utility. Either it restores civility if not true, or if it is true, it gives the person a chance to tee off against the extremist.

As for what you believe personal belief, that's fine. You can believe whatever. You can't post whatever though, lest the site descend into namecalling. We aren't a perfect freedom of speech website (notably our ban on posting nazism/stalinsim/maoism being the largest example of this), but we strive to get as close as is practicable. It quickly becomes impractical to have a board where people can endlessly troll, so we have a number of civility rules to contain this.

This is in fact my favorite such rule. Why? Because in the case of a correct allegation of extremism, it allows one to probably deservedly drag the other person through the mud (and frequently it has been deserved, though not here). Imagine, for example, I was to deny I was a crazed AnCap! I know that almost every user of politics could drag me kicking and screaming through my various AnCap hot takes! As I pointed out in the first paragraph, this has been used before, and it is fun reading, though I won't link here, it isn't too hard to find (search for me talking about Extremism should handle it).

And in the case that it isn't, it can lead to a civil apology like you gave @Megadeath, something much more useful that an actual mod activity.

So thank you @Megadeath for the apology. this matter is closed as I see it.

 

[Pocky Balboa]

I'll start by saying that if @Pocky Balboa truly finds the comparison to those lunatics odious, then I do indeed apologise for hurting his feelings with said aspersions

I don't really care about what people's thoughts and beliefs are on me in general but I do care about accusations of my performing specific actions without proof, which is what I found offensive. I'll accept the the apology and as Abhorsen says the matter is done with.