Trump Investigations Thread

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
Just so everyone is completely clear on how spectacularly wrong* this post is. The Constitution of the United States expressly forbids Bills of Attainder; Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3. As does every State Constitution.
The Supreme Court has ruled on this five times.

(*There is another word that might seem applicable here, has seven letters, starts with an "F", ends in "ist"?)

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Communists are still barred from the US government.


Ding, Ding, Ding!

We have a winner here.

Time to actually use that law. The results would be amazing, so many neocons started out as communist party members, that bald headed child killer that ran the CIA would also be barred and maybe subject to trial.

So many judges too
 

strunkenwhite

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Ding, Ding, Ding!

We have a winner here.

Time to actually use that law. The results would be amazing, so many neocons started out as communist party members, that bald headed child killer that ran the CIA would also be barred and maybe subject to trial.

So many judges too
It might be amazing in the sense of your surprise when the Court's conservative supermajority strikes it down so hard it achieves orbit on the bounce.
 

Zachowon

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Because it's almost like, unless you get 2/3rds of the US to support it.. to make it an amendment...
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
It might be amazing in the sense of your surprise when the Court's conservative supermajority strikes it down so hard it achieves orbit on the bounce.

That's why you start demonizing institutionalism relentlessly in the alt media and the public and instil a rabid sense of mistrust against the credentialed classes for several years before you do this.

That way John Robert's has to decide whether to simp for commies or to be able to ever take his grandkids to a zoo or something without hundreds of people heckling him.

Or really go anywhere without being denied service etc

The right needs to stop being tolerant, empathetic or really even kind towards anyone left of Ronald Reagan.

tldr:
 
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Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
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The right needs to stop being tolerant, empathetic or really even kind towards anyone left of Ronald Reagan.
Congrats, you just alienated the majority of the US population in perpetuity, and made it so that convincing those all-important swing voters in key areas is much, much harder for the US conservative movement as a whole and effectively making 'preaching to the shrinking choir' the only tactic the GOP would have left at all.

No amount of of being utter cunts to a lot of otherwise friendly or at least neutral swing voters, for the sake of being utter cunts to anyone who doesn't view Reagan as a "Lefty" because of how far right they've gone, has ever made anything better for anyone, or ever will, and that's all this idea does.
 

Terthna

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Congrats, you just alienated the majority of the US population in perpetuity, and made it so that convincing those all-important swing voters in key areas is much, much harder for the US conservative movement as a whole and effectively making 'preaching to the shrinking choir' the only tactic the GOP would have left at all.

No amount of of being utter cunts to a lot of otherwise friendly or at least neutral swing voters, for the sake of being utter cunts to anyone who doesn't view Reagan as a "Lefty" because of how far right they've gone, has ever made anything better for anyone, or ever will, and that's all this idea does.
Still, western civilization as a whole would benefit from being less tolerant towards those who wish death and worse upon everyone to the right of Stalin, and it seems like more and more people are coming to understand that as things keep getting progressively worse.
 

Cherico

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Congrats, you just alienated the majority of the US population in perpetuity, and made it so that convincing those all-important swing voters in key areas is much, much harder for the US conservative movement as a whole and effectively making 'preaching to the shrinking choir' the only tactic the GOP would have left at all.

No amount of of being utter cunts to a lot of otherwise friendly or at least neutral swing voters, for the sake of being utter cunts to anyone who doesn't view Reagan as a "Lefty" because of how far right they've gone, has ever made anything better for anyone, or ever will, and that's all this idea does.


Action reaction, idealism cant prevent what is comming, the growing numbers of people who got fucked over by the left will become more and more angry as they are dispossed and asking them to not be angry at their ill treatment is to ask them to give up their humanity.

You can ask them to target their rightous rage more narrowly yes but to ask them to not possess it just makes it all the worse.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
Congrats, you just alienated the majority of the US population in perpetuity, and made it so that convincing those all-important swing voters in key areas is much, much harder for the US conservative movement as a whole and effectively making 'preaching to the shrinking choir' the only tactic the GOP would have left at all.

No amount of of being utter cunts to a lot of otherwise friendly or at least neutral swing voters, for the sake of being utter cunts to anyone who doesn't view Reagan as a "Lefty" because of how far right they've gone, has ever made anything better for anyone, or ever will, and that's all this idea does.

Hardly, as every single right wing populist in South American and North American history proves out. If you shitpost at, humiliate and mock the idiots and degenerates in society, people will turn to you.

sometimes they need a metaphorical black eye first, but they will.

Action reaction, idealism cant prevent what is comming, the growing numbers of people who got fucked over by the left will become more and more angry as they are dispossed and asking them to not be angry at their ill treatment is to ask them to give up their humanity.

You can ask them to target their rightous rage more narrowly yes but to ask them to not possess it just makes it all the worse.

Exactly, indignant rage is saturating the air, its permeating every facet of our society.

Conservatives need to tap into it and begin to direct it to something constructive, not preach forgiveness and moving on.

Or else an actual right wing movement will. And they're not gonna be nearly as polite as the religious right was.
 

Jormungandr

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Hardly, as every single right wing populist in South American and North American history proves out. If you shitpost at, humiliate and mock the idiots and degenerates in society, people will turn to you.

sometimes they need a metaphorical black eye first, but they will.



Exactly, indignant rage is saturating the air, its permeating every facet of our society.

Conservatives need to tap into it and begin to direct it to something constructive, not preach forgiveness and moving on.

Or else an actual right wing movement will. And they're not gonna be nearly as polite as the religious right was.
To be honest, with how the West has gone wrong in the last few decades, it's looking to be a continuing spiral of Leftist degradation or a crop of Right governments that'll use boot and gun to put things back to a semblance of normalcy -- and I don't mean these hypothetical Right governments going down the "religious supremacy being a magic cure all pill" route like a lot of Christians think/believe.

Unless there's a third path I'm missing, I'm not seeing the future going any other way now. The divides are too deep, the elite/top of the crops have made blatantly illegal, immoral, and unethical plays in recent years, and the Left won't stop until you or your loved ones are dead and/or subsumed.

@Bacle Sorry bro, but your idea of remaining tolerant is now basically certain death for non-Leftoids. You can't be tolerant or civil with people who basically want you destroyed.
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
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Still, western civilization as a whole would benefit from being less tolerant towards those who wish death and worse upon everyone to the right of Stalin, and it seems like more and more people are coming to understand that as things keep getting progressively worse.
There is a difference between fighting the radical Left's madness and their 'tolerance' of groomers and pedos, and treating anyone who doesn't worship Reagan/is to the right of Reagan as the enemy.

What IWD is advocating is the second.
Action reaction, idealism cant prevent what is comming, the growing numbers of people who got fucked over by the left will become more and more angry as they are dispossed and asking them to not be angry at their ill treatment is to ask them to give up their humanity.

You can ask them to target their rightous rage more narrowly yes but to ask them to not possess it just makes it all the worse.
This isn't about 'idealism', this is about the cold hard facts of swing voters and their power in US elections, and about how stupid 'mistreat anyone to the Left of Reagan' mindset is.

Righteous rage isn't the issue here, target selection is.
Hardly, as every single right wing populist in South American and North American history proves out. If you shitpost at, humiliate and mock the idiots and degenerates in society, people will turn to you.

sometimes they need a metaphorical black eye first, but they will.
Or they will turn to people in the center to try to reign in the madness on both ends, and consider both types of radicals as net negatives to their side.

'Rules for Radicals' is not a book the GOP should be trying to take pages from, nor is S. American politics applicable to the US, no matter how much you wish to import S. American political rhetoric/tactics to the US.

Frankly, you should just go home, and try to unfuck your birth nation, instead of being another political refugee/migrant in the US. That way you can have all the S. American style populism you can want, without your poison fucking up things here near as much.
To be honest, with how the West has gone wrong in the last few decades, it's looking to be a continuing spiral of Leftist degradation or a crop of Right governments that'll use boot and gun to put things back to a semblance of normalcy -- and I don't mean these hypothetical Right governments going down the "religious supremacy being a magic cure all pill" route like a lot of Christians think/believe.

Unless there's a third path I'm missing, I'm not seeing the future going any other way now. The divides are too deep, the elite/top of the crops have made blatantly illegal, immoral, and unethical plays in recent years, and the Left won't stop until you or your loved ones are dead and/or subsumed.

@Bacle Sorry bro, but your idea of remaining tolerant is now basically certain death for non-Leftoids. You can't be tolerant or civil with people who basically want you destroyed.
The 10% of swing voters who decide 'fair' elections is not going to disappear, and the S. American style politics IWD is promoting will turn them off, not bring them onboard.

Doesn't matter how much his ideas resonate in the 'choir', because it is not the choir who has the deciding votes, nor is the choir large enough to be able to ignore the votes/voices/views of people outside it.

His tactics will not work and will likely backfire spectacularly in ways the GOP simply cannot afford if they want to retain any power at all.

As is, the only reason the GOP has any power at all right now is because of Texas and Justice's Thomas and Alito. If/when Texas turns blue at the federal level, and when Alito and Thomas are not longer on the bench (and are likely replaced by Dems), the revenge the Left will enact is going to make a lot of what we've seen so far look like a fucking cake walk.
 

Terthna

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There is a difference between fighting the radical Left's madness and their 'tolerance' of groomers and pedos, and treating anyone who doesn't worship Reagan/is to the right of Reagan as the enemy.

What IWD is advocating is the second.
I agree; but that distinction will shrink as people become more and more fed up with the current state of affairs, and with the "moderates" who refuse to even acknowledge what's happening, let alone oppose the madness of the regressive left in any meaningful way. The sociopathic narcissists currently in control certainly aren't going to stop getting worse; so eventually, even the swing voters in the center may become desperate enough to be open to the idea of turning to right-wing extremism to try and counter them. Now, hopefully the regressive left will be ousted before things get that bad, but it's still possible it will.
 

Bigking321

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the revenge the Left will enact is going to make a lot of what we've seen so far look like a fucking cake walk.
Revenge for what?

Near as I can tell the left are the ones trying to crush anything in the way of getting power. Rules, laws, customs, ethics, and norms included.

I can absolutely believe that when they secure that power they will do the most vile evil stuff imaginable in their desire to keep it forever, but I wouldn't call it revenge for anything.

Unless you mean specifically in response to a totalitarian right wing thing? Which I wouldn't worry about. I'm sure the left and deep state will stomp out anything that approaches a serious resistance long before it could become a threat to them.
 

Bacle

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Revenge for what?

Near as I can tell the left are the ones trying to crush anything in the way of getting power. Rules, laws, customs, ethics, and norms included.

I can absolutely believe that when they secure that power they will do the most vile evil stuff imaginable in their desire to keep it forever, but I wouldn't call it revenge for anything.

Unless you mean specifically in response to a totalitarian right wing thing? Which I wouldn't worry about. I'm sure the left and deep state will stomp out anything that approaches a serious resistance long before it could become a threat to them.
Revenge for losing RvW, revenge for not getting student loan bailouts, revenge for denying Merrick Garland a seat on SCOTUS at the end of Obama's term, and general revenge on anyone who supported Trump or 'their enemies/insurrectionists'.

When I say that Alito and Thomas are about the only thing keeping the worst of the Left in check, I am not at all kidding, and the Left will be out for revenge over RvW for generations, do to how many young women of multiple generations viewed is as akin to a 'Constitutional Right'.
 

Terthna

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Revenge for losing RvW, revenge for not getting student loan bailouts, revenge for denying Merrick Garland a seat on SCOTUS at the end of Obama's term, and general revenge on anyone who supported Trump or 'their enemies/insurrectionists'.

When I say that Alito and Thomas are about the only thing keeping the worst of the Left in check, I am not at all kidding, and the Left will be out for revenge over RvW for generations, do to how many young women of multiple generations viewed is as akin to a 'Constitutional Right'.
In short, they want revenge against everyone who opposes them; which, considering their goals, ought to include everyone with a pulse and two or more braincells to rub together.
 

Bacle

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In short, they want revenge against everyone who opposes them; which, considering their goals, ought to include everyone with a pulse and two or more braincells to rub together.
Moderates in the middle didn't do any of those offenses in the mind of most of the Left, that was the actions of Trump and his supporters in the 'far-right' in government.

The Left is very good at appealing to moderates, partly because unlike the far-right, 'moderates' is not a curse or slur or insult to most people in the Left and center. All the Dems have to do is just blame the Right for shit, not bad mouth moderates as 'disloyal' or 'idiots' again like Hillary did in 2016 with her 'basket of deplorable' shit, and the GOP's usual self-defeating nature will do most of the work for them.

2024 is lose-lose as far as I'm concerned, with what I've seen happen so far. Trump won't win, and most of the GOP candidates are at this point not better options than Biden in regards to how moderates are likely to view things, so if they win the GOP nomination I doubt they'll beat Biden, partly due to vote rigging, partly due to that the GOP's whole candidate field feels like it's just bad and worse options, while Biden is still bad, will remain bad, but at least the GOP won't have to take the fall for his stupidity till after 2028.

That is if Biden is even on the ticket; removing him and putting Kamala in place as POTUS shortly before the election would allow Kamala to run again in both 2028 and 2032 due to how little of 'Biden's term' she would have served.

There is a reason I liken Kamala Harris to Ysane Isard; Biden is Pestage; Trump is inconsequentual as anything but a target anymore, outside the GOP.
 

Terthna

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Moderates in the middle didn't do any of those offenses in the mind of most of the Left, that was the actions of Trump and his supporters in the 'far-right' in government.

The Left is very good at appealing to moderates, partly because unlike the far-right, 'moderates' is not a curse or slur or insult to most people in the Left and center. All the Dems have to do is just blame the Right for shit, not bad mouth moderates as 'disloyal' or 'idiots' again like Hillary did in 2016 with her 'basket of deplorable' shit, and the GOP's usual self-defeating nature will do most of the work for them.

2024 is lose-lose as far as I'm concerned, with what I've seen happen so far. Trump won't win, and most of the GOP candidates are at this point not better options than Biden in regards to how moderates are likely to view things, so if they win the GOP nomination I doubt they'll beat Biden, partly due to vote rigging, partly due to that the GOP's whole candidate field feels like it's just bad and worse options, while Biden is still bad, will remain bad, but at least the GOP won't have to take the fall for his stupidity till after 2028.

That is if Biden is even on the ticket; removing him and putting Kamala in place as POTUS shortly before the election would allow Kamala to run again in both 2028 and 2032 due to how little of 'Biden's term' she would have served.

There is a reason I liken Kamala Harris to Ysane Isard; Biden is Pestage; Trump is inconsequentual as anything but a target anymore, outside the GOP.
I thoroughly disagree. The regressive left actually isn't any good at appealing to moderates; rather, what they're good at is passing themselves off as moderates (as evidenced by the fact that they've managed to convince you, even though voting for Biden over literally any Republican candidate in 2024 alone is proof enough that they are not in fact a moderate; as that man's administration has done almost nothing but enable and support left-wing extremism since he took office). Many of them, particularly those with any actual presence on the political stage, are simply lying about their true political/ideological affiliations; either to others, or themselves. As for how they treats actual moderates, they openly despise them. You're either with the regressive left, or you are their enemy; they allow for no middle ground.
 
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