They are, but we need them to win, and DeSantis would make a great president.
Trump Investigations Thread
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Terthna
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Not just that; a vote for Biden is also a vote for increased censorship, mob violence, the loss of property rights, and child molestation/mutilation. I mean, they may as well just shoot themselves dead in the voting booth; it would involve a lot less suffering, compared to the alternative.
He very well could be great; but anyone who'd vote for Biden over Trump would never vote for anyone else under any circumstances. They are not swing voters; they're straight up Democrats. They just don't know it yet.
I don't think that's accurate at all.
You underestimate just how much some people - some lifelong Republicans- vehemently hate Trump.
They hate Biden, too. They just REALLY hate Trump specifically.
Let's be honest. Those people were already broken. They just fixate on Trump b/c he hits their hot buttons.
Blasterbot
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then they get a choice. own trump or fuck all of america over even harder when we are already in a precarious position. and if they believe this shit about trump they WILL be convinced that DeSantis is evilbad neohitler3.0. if america is that far gone? we don't have anything good coming our way.
Terthna
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A Republican who would rather vote for Biden over Trump is not a Republican. I'd hesitate to call the human beings, in fact; because either they refuse to use the mental faculties inherent to the species, and are acting on dumb animal instinct, or they're disingenuous monsters who willingly perpetrate the debasement and destruction of humanity.
Mind you, I'm not exactly the biggest fan of Trump either at this point. I'd rather have DeSantis; but I have no more patience or sympathy for those who'd willingly vote for Biden over nearly anyone else. Not after everything that's happened.
Oh! The usual all people who dislikes Trump are automatically Neocons routine??
Look, a lot of people hate Trump and it's for a myriad of reasons, I myself don't think I will be voting for him again if he wind the nomination. The reasons being he flirted too much with authoritarian tendencies which is unforgivable in my eyes being strictly against that.
I don't remember many people claiming to vote for Biden so much as not at all.
Terthna
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Fine; at least that's better than voting for the guy who's repeatedly and consistently shown that he wants to ruin your life, and rape your children.
Nah, They'll vote DeSantis, they're probably voting for him in the primary, if he runs, of course.
I don't think they can make people hate DeSantis to such a degree. In part because it's not just the media that made people hate Trump. It was his personality. Personally I can't fucking stand the guy, and I think his presidency would have been more successful if he'd just shut the fuck up now and then.
And look, I'm not defending these people. I've already told you all I'm going to vote Trump, and that's as someone that doesn't like him. Again, not because of the media spinning things, but because I absolutely hate his personality.
Lots of other people will do as I have considered (but won't do,) and just won't vote. Or will vote third party. Or even vote Biden.
And really, fuck em. I am very pissed off at them about it.
But we also kinda need to keep in mind that having them voting for your candidate is nothing but a good thing. And plenty of them would probably be willing to vote DeSantis just because he's more likable and not so God dammed big mouthed and annoying.
So the DA/Dems are going to try to put a gag order on Trump during the trial, which just so happens to coincide with the election year.
Biden already made it plain they will use every legal means available to keep Trump out of the Oval Office, and a gag order during a kangaroo court trial in a hostile to Trump/friendly to Dems venue is a great way to attempt to muzzle Trump during campaign season, because in civil court contempt charges cannot be fought in court, that only applies to criminal cases.
The Dems want Trump to end up in 'contempt of court' as an excuse to indefinitely detain him via these charges, without ever actually having to get a direct conviction.
DarthOne
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...Darth...what do we say about polls?
DarthOne
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Not a clue. But I suspect you’re about to enlighten me.
Yeah, I've been saying since before the indictment that Trump was almost surely going to be the 2024 nominee.
This isn't surprising.
Even some of the polls that had put DeSantis in the lead, that was only 1 on 1. wlWhen they accounted for other candidates running, Trump didn't really loose any points. Rather, the non Trump base fractured and destroyed DeSantis having any chance whatsoever.
It's going to be Trump 2024 unless something crazy happens.
They are like buttholes everyone has one and thinks theirs smells best.
Trumps numbers are up for a myriad of reasons chiefly that he is already a well know figure and the indictment is propelling him back into the limelight.
DeSantis while a known figure is still largely an unknown to the country at large most aren't liable to say they will vote for him until he has had one public debate with Trump and outlined his plan for the nation which hasn't.
strunkenwhite
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I watched the video but I must have missed the part where he said this; could you enlighten me? I only remember the part where he said independent voters (who, per him, consistently have the power to swing elections according to their own interests in recent history) saw Trump and Republicans as threatening to rig elections permanently and thus voted against their own economic interests to preserve their political power. (7:40)
If Trump had any brains at all, he would just blatantly ignore the gag order and publicly dare NY to throw him in jail. Then have his surrogates make the entire election about Democrat interference in the US Presidential Election as the Soros Backed Democract DA and a Democrat Judge throw the Republican Presidential Candidate into prison.
The Democrats throwing Trump in prison during election season and without already having a conviction? Especially on at least questionable underlying charges?
Literally the ONLY issue for all elections would be this fiasco. And the Democrats have to argue that it is ok to throw the opposition in prison on iffy charges. While the Republicans get to run a race where they get to run Trump without having Trump able to fuck things up.
I mean one of the best things that could happen to Trump in terms of winning the election is spending the election sitting in a NY jail on charges that the majority of the population sees as politically motivated.
That's so crazy it just might work. 😲
Like let's be realistic. Is Trump sitting in an NY jail on charges related to Stormy Daniels going to get anyone who was going to vote Trump over Biden to suddenly not vote Trump?
What does Trump loose out on by not being able to campaign? Trump being Trump isn't going to win him even one more vote than he already had. Everyone who can vote already knows what you get with Trump.
Now what does Trump gain? An inability to do anything stupid, a way to change the focus of the campaign from Trump the Person to Trump the Martyr and Democrat Abuse of Power, and the perfect excuse for not answering any pesky questions about topics.
Say what you will about Trump and the Republicans more broadly, they never went after Hillary for her antics. Or Biden for him and his families criminal antics.
Every Republican will run to make their race a referendum on Democrat abuse of authority and their anti-democratic antics.
Trump being charged in relation to "stealing the election" or January 6th would let the Democrats attempt to frame the whole thing as an extraordinary circumstance justifying the actions. But the underlying charges here (assuming they are what is rumored)? They don't justify the actions taken.