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DarthOne said:
And why do they want that? Because they think they have a candidate that can beat him? The only way they can win is to cheat again. In which case, we get to live in Interesting Times. At least hopefully, because the alternative is worse.
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They think they have a FAR BETTER chance at beating him than someone who pushes for much of the same stuff but in a more polished package, like DeSantis.

They saw the landslide DeSantis got in Florida, and they want no part of that. So they're happy to play up the rivalry between them while propping up Trump.
 
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DarthOne said:
And why do they want that? Because they think they have a candidate that can beat him? The only way they can win is to cheat again. In which case, we get to live in Interesting Times. At least hopefully, because the alternative is worse.
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No.

If Trump wasn't running then DeSantis would win the Republican nomination in a landslide and would destroy Biden in the General.

Everyone who would vote for Trump would also be willing to vote for DeSantis and, unlike Trump, DeSantis isn't utterly toxic with a substantial percentage of swing voters.
 
Spartan303 said:
Honestly? I think even the Deepstate was mostly against this for the main reason that their power is centered on the idea that what they're doing is legitimate, and thus they hide their agenda behind that legitimacy. But there is nothing legitimate about this case simply due to the fact every other politician charged with anything similar got off scot clean or paid a fine. This now throws the legitimacy the Deepstate hides behind into so much question that even Democrats are crying foul and asking questions. And what the Deepstate has relied on is their base and most of America not asking questions. This will most certainly not help in that regard, and people are asking questions and decrying this as a bad idea. Another thing the Deepstate relies upon is being to operate behind the scenes in secret. The Watchdogs of the Media are complicit and in on the scheme and often run cover, concealment and spin for them. But this is too big to cover up and you better believe every eye and ear and camera is going to be on this.

I think that, like it or not they'll have to treat him fairly to a point. Because anything else risks more exposure. Just my opinion though.
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Yeah, there was that term from that cyberbank show, ghost in shell I think, stand alone complex? I guess this is the heart of also of the Yarvin Cathedral terminology: they're is the hierarchy, but you also have the belief structure that drives independent action too: Rome might want something specific to happen in Japan, but the church logic and local conditions could drive local actors to act in a way the central authority doesn't actually want right now.

The logic of the progressive church suggests this is a good thing to do, regardless of what the actual hierarchy prefers: it drives independent action, and because its in line with the dogma, it makes it more difficult for the deep state to move against it: its hard for the church to tell its followers to be less dogmatic.
 
I’m very suspicious of DeSantis. I would still vote for him if he got the Republican nomination, but I’m supporting Trump for the GOP primary.

It’s not just about who is more likely to win. Republicans choose McCain and Romney because they could win, and not only were those assholes enemies of the GOP base and their interests, they even lost their elections to an extreme leftist.

At least for now, Trump is the head of a movement to fight not only against the left, but against a bipartisan establishment that is completely corrupt and evil. If DeSantis runs against Trump he effectively becomes an enemy of that movement and a tool of the establishment.
 
Desantis's idol is H.W. Bush. miss me with that. whatever consultants he got from DC have been terrible at showing what he can do. When he is trying to be governor of florida he does fine because he knows they got his back. when he is trying to run for president he has been pretty mediocre. the republican establishment doesn't know how to win and they are the ones giving him advise here.
 
Blasterbot said:
Desantis's idol is H.W. Bush. miss me with that. whatever consultants he got from DC have been terrible at showing what he can do. When he is trying to be governor of florida he does fine because he knows they got his back. when he is trying to run for president he has been pretty mediocre. the republican establishment doesn't know how to win and they are the ones giving him advise here.
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He hasn't been running for president, so you've got nothing to base that on.

DeSantis is doing 90% of the shit Trump would talk about doing. He's just not a loud mouthed buffoon like Trump. He's sharper and has more wit about him.

Idk how anyone can claim DeSantis is establishment, when the establishment is currently trying to paint him as an evil fascist.
 
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Rocinante said:
He hasn't been running for president, so you've got nothing to base that on.

DeSantis is doing 90% of the shit Trump would talk about doing. He's just not a loud mouthed buffoon like Trump. He's sharper and has more wit about him.

Idk how anyone can claim DeSantis is establishment, when the establishment is currently trying to paint him as an evil fascist.
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Because anyone but Trump is 'controlled opposition' or 'establishment'; actual policy and actions taken matter less than appearing as a realistic challenger to Trump, thus DeSantis has to be part of 'the enemy' in one way or another, to those who still idolize Trump/mistakenly think Trump running is something the elite don't want.

The Dems in DC and Biden are scared shitless of of DeSantis, because he'll actually do the follow through Trump didn't do, doesn't have the same ego or baggage as Trump, and has a proven track-record in Florida to bring with him.

Biden and co would love to face Trump again, because the 10% of the population who are true independents are the ones who most often swing the key races, and Trump turns them off more than Biden does due to Trump's bombastic personality.

2024 is a very likely Biden win, even without electoral fuckery, and Trump is not without blame for how he turns off the swing voters.
 
Bacle said:
Because anyone but Trump is 'controlled opposition' or 'establishment'; actual policy and actions taken matter less than appearing as a realistic challenger to Trump, thus DeSantis has to be part of 'the enemy' in one way or another, to those who still idolize Trump/mistakenly think Trump running is something the elite don't want.

The Dems in DC and Biden are scared shitless of of DeSantis, because he'll actually do the follow through Trump didn't do, doesn't have the same ego or baggage as Trump, and has a proven track-record in Florida to bring with him.

Biden and co would love to face Trump again, because the 10% of the population who are true independents are the ones who most often swing the key races, and Trump turns them off more than Biden does due to Trump's bombastic personality.

2024 is a very likely Biden win, even without electoral fuckery, and Trump is not without blame for how he turns off the swing voters.
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Agreed 100% on this.

This is why I'm a DeSantis backer.

If it comes down to itnill vote Trump, but if DeSantis runs, he's got my vote in the primary.
 
The Whispering Monk said:
I'm not so sure this is true anymore. Biden's actions have really pissed a lot of people off.
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But have Biden's actions alienated the swing voters, is the real question.

Biden pissing off people who were never going to vote for him doesn't really matter that much. Unless the swing 10% turn against Biden, he'll squeak through again.
 
The Whispering Monk said:
I'm not so sure this is true anymore. Biden's actions have really pissed a lot of people off.
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Bacle said:
But have Biden's actions alienated the swing voters, is the real question.

Biden pissing off people who were never going to vote for him doesn't really matter that much. Unless the swing 10% turn against Biden, he'll squeak through again.
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It comes down to, they're pissed off at Biden, but they vehemently hate Trump and will absolutely never vote for him.
 
Rocinante said:
It comes down to, they're pissed off at Biden, but they vehemently hate Trump and will absolutely never vote for him.
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Yep; Ziehan had a pretty good break down of this in a recent video:



There are people who dislike Biden, but personally despise Trump, and that means they will hold their nose for Biden, but not for Trump.
 
If that is their choice than I hope they can handle what happens as the petro dollar gets flushed down the toilet. they got a choice between mean orange man and getting absolutely destroyed economically. if they choose to be destroyed than I hope that they are ready for the hard times ahead. bluntly if they are like that then they are going to believe DeSantis is the next coming of evil bad orange man and any other lie the media tells them. they are beyond help.
 
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