Trump Investigations Thread

That statute of limitations for the suspected charges expired in 2021. The first hurdle the prosecution faces is overcoming that, which relies on the argument that Trump was unavailable/out of state/his location was unknown.
The Statute of Limitations applies to when the investigation begins not when charges are laid.
 
Even if what you say is true, why on earth do you think the Deep State won't jump on this and run with it?

Because the deep state has little control over this. First, this is a state matter. Second, this is a court matter. The Deep State is entirely in the Executive Branch/contractors to the Executive Branch, and usually only at the Fed Level.

Now I fully expect blatant shenangians, but it little to none of it will be deep state shenanigans. There's little need for coordination when everyone involved in the process already hates Trump.

I'm just ID'ing the correct problem here, not saying there will be no problem.

Honestly? I think even the Deepstate was mostly against this for the main reason that their power is centered on the idea that what they're doing is legitimate, and thus they hide their agenda behind that legitimacy. But there is nothing legitimate about this case simply due to the fact every other politician charged with anything similar got off scot clean or paid a fine. This now throws the legitimacy the Deepstate hides behind into so much question that even Democrats are crying foul and asking questions. And what the Deepstate has relied on is their base and most of America not asking questions. This will most certainly not help in that regard, and people are asking questions and decrying this as a bad idea. Another thing the Deepstate relies upon is being to operate behind the scenes in secret. The Watchdogs of the Media are complicit and in on the scheme and often run cover, concealment and spin for them. But this is too big to cover up and you better believe every eye and ear and camera is going to be on this.

I think that, like it or not they'll have to treat him fairly to a point. Because anything else risks more exposure. Just my opinion though.
The actual Deep State effort against Trump was the secret documents at Margo Largo scandal. That one both had solid legal basis under it, and one of the things that all members of the deep state are regularly reminded of, and thus are quite familiar with, is the government regulations on document handling, as are government contractors. This means there's a large group even OUTSIDE of the Deep State actors whom would spread the word that the way Trump's handling of the documents was was criminal, or seemed so to them based on their regular briefings.

This was actually a pretty solid avenue for attack, as many Republicans had made it clear that they wanted such document handling laws taken seriously, and many would be put in a catch-22 if they defended Trump while having been aggressive concerning how Clinton mishandled classified documents.

And then it came out that Biden had done as bad if not worse handling, and effectively blew up the entire avenue of attack. They couldn't go after Trump for it without also going after Biden and many others...
 
I'm actually laughing at how badly this is going to backfire on them.

I'm not even American, and even I can see that you'd be safer sticking your dick in a plug socket than doing this to Trump.
This is why I think it's always important to look at people as individuals to predict behavior, not just collectives. As an individual, it makes perfect sense for the DA to do this. As a collective, it doesn't.

I think @S'task hit the nail on the head with his comment re: classified documents being a Deep State angle of attack, but I think it's important to remember that the Deep State isn't really a cohesive group. The Deep State doesn't all work with each other or anything, it is more a group that has common-ish goals, but no mass coordination outside of the political leadership of the Executive branch. This doesn't make them less dangerous, what it does mean is that different groups of deep state people might have different ideas of how to get Trump. Thus it's entirely likely there is more than one angle of attack they are trying to do.

On thinking on it more, there's likely a dozen attempted attacks we won't hear of because they weren't able to get them off the ground.
 

Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg Admits He Used Federal Funds to Investigate Trump



Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg confirmed he used federal funds to investigate Donald Trump's so-called 'hush payment' to porn star Stormy Daniels, ultimately leading to his indictment.


Last week, Committee Chairman Jim Jordan, House Administration Committee Chair Bryan Steil, and House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer accused Bragg of abusing his power and launched an investigation.

The House Republican lawmakers sent a letter to Bragg demanding testimony and documents relating to his investigation into Trump's alleged 'hush payment.'

However, Bragg fired back with a nasty letter, prompting House Republicans to hit back again in their quest to hold the Soros-funded DA accountable.

In a scathing letter on Friday, Bragg pushed back against House Republicans' efforts to investigate his prosecution of Trump.


The 'corrupt' Manhattan DA accused House Republicans of attempting to "vilify" prosecutors and judges by collaborating with the former president.


Bragg then admitted his office used federal funds to investigate Trump.

"Our review of the Office's records reflect that, of the federal forfeiture money that the Office helped collect, approximately $5,000 was spent on expenses incurred relating to the investigation of Donald J. Trump or the Trump Organization," Bragg's office wrote to GOP Reps. Jim Jordan, Steil, and Comer.

"These expenses were incurred between October 2019 and August 2021. Most of those costs are attributed to the Supreme Court case, Trump v. Vance—subpoena-related litigation in which the DA's Office prevailed and which led to the indictment and conviction of Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg and two Trump organizations," it added.

"No expenses incurred relating to this matter have been paid from funds that the Office receives through federal grant programs." Bragg's office said.

As Breitbart noted:

"Examining the use of federal funds, which Dubeck confirmed Bragg's office uses, is well within Congress's jurisdiction and helps the Republicans' contention that they are within their right to investigate the office. The chairmen have also argued that they require Bragg's cooperation to inform future legislation, which Bragg disputes."

"Federal funds = congressional oversight" House Judiciary member Rep. Russell Fry said on Friday evening.
 

Alvin Bragg Or Grand Jury Member Could Face 5 Years In Prison, Dershowitz Says​


If Alvin Bragg is looking for a felony in the case he has brought against former President Donald Trump he may want to look in the mirror, in his office or at his grand jury.

Legal scholar and famed attorney Alan Dershowitz said, in an interview and in an op-ed, that whoever leaked the sealed indictment is the person guilty of the only felony, in his opinion, in this case.,

"It is likely that a serious felony has been committed right under District Attorney Alvin Bragg's nose and he is not investigating it. Under New York law, it is a felony to leak confidential grand jury information, such as whether the jurors voted to indict. The protection of secrecy is as applicable to President Trump as it is to anyone else," the attorney said in an op-ed for The New York Sun.

"We know that the information was disclosed while the indictment itself remains sealed and before any official announcement was made or charges brought. It is unlikely that the leak came from the Trump team, which seemed genuinely surprised," he said.

"The most likely, though uncertain, scenario is that a person in Mr. Bragg's office or a grand juror unlawfully leaked the sealed information. That would be a class E felony, subject to imprisonment.

"It is possible of course that an investigation is underway, but it seems more likely that Mr. Bragg is too busy making up a crime against the man he promised in his campaign to get than investigating a real crime that took place on his watch," he said.

Dershowitz said that it appears Bragg's theory is that the former president should have disclosed why he paid for a non-disclosure agreement to adult film star Stormy Daniels which would defeat the purpose to the non-disclosure agreement.

"Why would Mr. Trump pay the money in the first place if he had to publicly disclose the embarrassing reason? Furthermore, no one in history has ever been indicted for listing 'legal expenses' for setting a potentially embarrassing payment of hush money," he said.

"Thus, even the misdemeanor allegation involving false entries is unprecedented and represents selective prosecution. It is also almost certainly barred by the two-year statute of limitations. In order to elevate this bookkeeping case into a felony, Mr. Bragg must also prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the reason Trump made the false entry — if he himself did it — was solely as a campaign contribution to help him win his election," he said.

What that means is that even if only part of the reason he made the payment was to protect his family from scrutiny or to protect his business interests there is no crime.

And if someone in Bragg's office, or Bragg himself leaked the indictment they could face as many as five years in prison.
"If somebody on the grand jury, prosecutor or grand juror, leaked the fact that there was a vote to indict, that is a one – five year class E felony under New York," he said on Fox News.

"Bragg now has a prima facia case that a crime has been committed right in his building, but as far as I know he's not investigating it" he said.
"We don't know who did the leak. It is conceivable it could have been done by somebody in the Trump administration but I doubt it because they seem to have been taken by great surprise so the most likely source of the leak is someone from within Bragg's office or within the grand jury. That's where the focus ought to be," he said.



Prior to the indictment being leaked Dershowitz said that he believed Bragg could be disbarred for his case against Trump.

He appeared on the Fox News show "Sunday Morning Futures" with host Maria Bartiromo when he said that having Michael Cohen as a witness could damage the district attorney, Mediaite reported.

"I don't think an indictment can actually come forward now after the comments made by [Robert] Costello," the attorney said.

He said that "he has proved that the main witness is going to be a perjuring liar on the witness stand, and that puts the district attorney in a terrible position."

"If he uses Cohen as a witness, he could actually lose his bar license. It's unethical to put a witness on the stand who you know is lying, and he has to know that Cohen will be lying. Or he tries the case without Cohen, which would be very difficult, or he does the right thing: he drops the case," he said.
 
Yes. And if each side goes equivalently nuclear, we'll have a mass arrest of politicians. Oh noes.
They're not. The DoJ turned down trying this case before because they saw how dumb it would be to attempt it. The DoJ is hardly Trump friendly. Bragg is an idiot that has been raked over the coals for his handling of multiple cases in New York. Even attorneys who hate Trump are admitting the case is weak or without merit.
Even attorneys in his own office think it is bad decsion.
Three attorneys who worked on the Manhattan district attorney's criminal investigation into Donald Trump believed the anticipated indictment against the former president over hush-money payments to Stormy Daniels was too weak to bring as a standalone case, according to the Daily Beast.

Bragg is just a idiot promoted beyond his competence. You see a lot of that in government service.
 

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